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1997-08-07 03:14Rusty Householter Re: (idm) My definitive personal turntable story.
└─ 1997-08-07 04:57Emanuel Borsboom Re: (idm) minidiscs and vinyl
1997-08-07 18:31Mark Bowen (idm) cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl)
1997-08-08 06:42Rusty Householter Re: (idm) cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl)
└─ 1997-08-08 16:49(idm) Oven vs. microwave (was cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl))
├─ 1997-08-08 12:36mark weddle Re: (idm) Oven vs. microwave (was cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl))
└─ 1997-08-08 13:06GamePrg. Re: (idm) Oven vs. microwave (was cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl))
└─ 1997-08-08 19:54GamePrg. Re: (idm) Oven vs. microwave (was cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl))
1997-08-08 09:35Re: (idm) cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl)
1997-08-08 11:59Mathias Verraes Re: (idm) cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl)
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1997-08-07 03:14Rusty HouseholterAt 12:10 AM 8/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >> the most meaningless part of a consitantly meaning
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At 12:10 AM 8/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 5 lines the most meaningless part of a consitantly meaningless argument.>> the most meaningless part of a consitantly meaningless argument. >> people >> like vinyl, for the same reason they like little cuddly wuzzy fuzz >> bunnies. there is no reason. you're anthropomorphizing a recording >> medium. records are no more human than cds.
Exactly, I think people are fooled because there vacuum tube preamps for there turntables warm up and they think "Oh man it has lights and it's hotter than hell, it's alive!"
quoted 5 lines OK. The reason I listen to music is to get that *feeling* you get when>OK. The reason I listen to music is to get that *feeling* you get when >one listens to great music. Music is emotional. Music should be a >presonal, interactive thing. Which is what vinyl is, so much more than >CD's. There is not a more human quality, there isa more substancial >quality to them.
What is it? Do you like watching something spin? CD's spin but they are just smaller...maybe it's because vinyl spins slower...maybe its those pops...If you want the same experience put a cd in a cheap Discman and bump it and you get discrepancies!!!! How fun!!!
quoted 4 lines Also, it was mentioned somewhere else that records degrade with each>Also, it was mentioned somewhere else that records degrade with each >use. >Yeah, if you have a bad needle and scratch it up. Take care of things, >man.
You also have to wear special gloves when handling you records so no body oil gets on them and you might want to play it in a dustless environment cause that builds up, whereas CD's have a better record of playing perfect everytime even if dust is on them. I mean the only way to settle this arguement is to look at this thing scientifically. Feed your vinyl into your sound card and record it using SoundForge and compare your results with a CD...you'll be amazed at the results...CD's have a better frequency range than vinyl. Also compare your Mini-discs after recording something...I looked at a tape I made on a Dolby 3 head tape deck and a minidisc and low an behold the tape won out. Mini-discs have been known to flatten out there wave forms at certain frequecies like all recorded media, it's just that there is a little lower than tapes. Any buyers into this heated debat? Rusty
1997-08-07 04:57Emanuel BorsboomOn Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rusty Householter wrote: > Also compare your > Mini-discs after record
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On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Rusty Householter wrote:
quoted 6 lines Also compare your> Also compare your > Mini-discs after recording something...I looked at a tape I made on a Dolby > 3 head tape deck and a minidisc and low an behold the tape won out. > Mini-discs have been known to flatten out there wave forms at certain > frequecies like all recorded media, it's just that there is a little lower > than tapes.
Which ATRAC revision did the recorder use? Different revisions vary wildly in quality. ATRAC 1 (which the original equipment used) is really very bad. ATRAC 2 is better, but not great. ATRAC 3 is very good. Most audiophiles agree that ATRAC 4 sounds as good as DAT (blind tests, same DAC, etc). ATRAC 4.5 is somehow better than ATRAC 4, but not audibly. So unless your tests were done with the latest equipment, they're not valid. I suppose MiniDiscs would flatten the waveforms a little because of their compression which removes the frequencies we can't hear. While the waveforms may be a bit different, what you hear is the same (our ears and brains are far from perfect). I agree that a good tape deck does sound very good. But it's the degredation on playback that bothers me. And MiniDiscs still win out for portability and convenience. Oh, and I agree that esthetically, vinyl is much cooler. I too like watching it spin, the way you can understand and see exactly what's going on. I just love the image of a sharp needle scratching away at soft plastic, and the image of big blobs of dead skin, bacteria, and oils landing on it and getting in the way. It the end, though, it's the quality of the music and not the quality of the recording that counts. A little surface noise and some clicks and pops aren't going to stop me from enjoying it. -- Emanuel Borsboom -- Victoria B.C. Canada -- "complete with surface noise" [Home Page] http://zerius.com/manny/ [Java Synth] http://zerius.com/synth/ [Vocoder] http://zerius.com/vocoder/
1997-08-07 18:31Mark BowenMost Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when bombarded by micr
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Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when bombarded by microwaves. So there! Put a CD in the microwave on hi power. It won't last 30 seconds. Its really quite a sight if you've never tried it. Lots of sparks. Vinyl hold up quite well. I haven't tried DAT or tapes. Anyone? On Aug 6, 10:14pm, Rusty Householter wrote:
quoted 4 lines I mean the only way to settle this arguement is to look at this thing> I mean the only way to settle this arguement is to look at this thing > scientifically. Feed your vinyl into your sound card and record it using > SoundForge and compare your results with a CD...you'll be amazed at the > results...CD's have a better frequency range than vinyl.
The only way to settle it is to sit down and listen to your music. Who the hell cares about this enough to do what you mention? Everytime this debate comes up some cd lover has to go anal on Hz. This stupid debate always comes down to cd buyers trying to make vinyl buyers feel like we're missing out on something you enjoy. Your head isn't a sound card. Perhaps you should focus more on the music and less on the frequency response curve and you would have to miss out on all the 12" only releases. Sad to have to wait for the comp isn't it? -- Mark Edward Bowen Warmed Breakdown mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu
1997-08-08 06:42Rusty HouseholterAt 01:31 PM 8/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vin
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At 01:31 PM 8/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 2 lines Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when>Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when >bombarded by microwaves. So there! Put a CD in the microwave on hi
power. It
quoted 3 lines won't last 30 seconds. Its really quite a sight if you've never tried it.>won't last 30 seconds. Its really quite a sight if you've never tried it. > Lots of sparks. Vinyl hold up quite well. I haven't tried DAT or tapes. > Anyone?
Well just general up keep of cardboard sleeves vinyl beckons too much up keep for me. I'd rather listen to my music whether it is crap or not rather than trashing it. I wouldn't want to peel vinyl from my microwave before I want to make some hot chocolate or pizza. After a nuclear war I'd rather make music about that experience because that would be one of the biggest fucking things that could happen in my life, I probably wouldn't be listening to my records. I know that if my record player and cds were lost in nuclear war, I could play my records. Here's how, listen up all IDMers I learned this from Mr. Wizard: Direction for your very own post-nuclear war record player: Materials: 1 sewing needle 1 #2 pencil 1 sheet of construction paper transparent tape Procedure: 1. Roll the paper into a cone but don't close off the pointed end. 2. Tape the paper cone so it doesn't unfurl. 3. Tape the needle at the pointy end so it kind of extends beyond the cone. 4. Grab your favorite AFX Joyrex vinyl and stab the pencil through the hole, but not all the way through that it screws up the hole. 5. Spin the pencil/record combo like a top. 6. Place the needle on the groove. 7. Gather friends to chill with you. This beats sticking your vinyl in the microwave and it doesn't run on electricity. Quoth Homer Simpson "Woo hoo!" Lovingly a future post nuclear music lover, Rusty
1997-08-08 16:49agape@gargamel.com>Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when >bombarded by mi
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quoted 5 lines Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when>Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when >bombarded by microwaves. So there! Put a CD in the microwave on hi >power. It >won't last 30 seconds. Its really quite a sight if you've never tried it. > Lots of sparks. Vinyl hold up quite well.
On the other hand, a vinyl wouldn't survive a usual oven, while I CD would (or am I wrong?). Which leads to the next issue -- should we have usual ovens, or microwave ovens? Usual ovens are definitely more analog than microwave ones, and I can't help that there is much more FEELING in food cooked in a real oven than in a microwave. Sure, microwave ovens are smaller and all that, but they are so impersonal and cold. Any ideas? Johan. _______________________________________________________________ Johan Jaatinen agape@gargamel.com Umea, Sweden members.aol.com/catzcar/mrblip.html
1997-08-08 12:36mark weddleOn 08-Aug-97, agape@gargamel.com wrote: >>Most Important when choosing a listening medium;
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On 08-Aug-97, agape@gargamel.com wrote:
quoted 5 lines Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when>>Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when >>bombarded by microwaves. So there! Put a CD in the microwave on hi >>power. It >>won't last 30 seconds. Its really quite a sight if you've never tried it. >> Lots of sparks. Vinyl hold up quite well.
quoted 6 lines On the other hand, a vinyl wouldn't survive a usual oven, while I CD would>On the other hand, a vinyl wouldn't survive a usual oven, while I CD would >(or am I wrong?). Which leads to the next issue -- should we have usual >ovens, or microwave ovens? Usual ovens are definitely more analog than >microwave ones, and I can't help that there is much more FEELING in food >cooked in a real oven than in a microwave. Sure, microwave ovens are >smaller and all that, but they are so impersonal and cold. Any ideas?
quoted 1 line Johan.>Johan.
You're completely missing the point though ... the microwave rotates so you can get the analog thrill of watching the disc spin !!! markw@southwind.net
1997-08-08 13:06GamePrg.On Friday, 08-Aug-97, agape@gargamel.com wrote [about (idm) Oven vs. microwave (was cds in
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On Friday, 08-Aug-97, agape@gargamel.com wrote [about (idm) Oven vs. microwave (was cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl))]:
quoted 6 lines On the other hand, a vinyl wouldn't survive a usual oven, while I CD would>On the other hand, a vinyl wouldn't survive a usual oven, while I CD would >(or am I wrong?). Which leads to the next issue -- should we have usual >ovens, or microwave ovens? Usual ovens are definitely more analog than >microwave ones, and I can't help that there is much more FEELING in food >cooked in a real oven than in a microwave. Sure, microwave ovens are >smaller and all that, but they are so impersonal and cold. Any ideas?
yeah, and you'd also fucking blow a hole in your kitchen.. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-08-08 19:54GamePrg.On Friday, 08-Aug-97, GamePrg. wrote [about Re: (idm) Oven vs. microwave (was cds in the m
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On Friday, 08-Aug-97, GamePrg. wrote [about Re: (idm) Oven vs. microwave (was cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl))]:
quoted 1 line On Friday, 08-Aug-97, agape@gargamel.com wrote [about (idm) Oven vs.>On Friday, 08-Aug-97, agape@gargamel.com wrote [about (idm) Oven vs.
microwave
quoted 7 lines (was cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl))]:>(was cds in the microwave (was:cd/vinyl))]: >>On the other hand, a vinyl wouldn't survive a usual oven, while I CD would >>(or am I wrong?). Which leads to the next issue -- should we have usual >>ovens, or microwave ovens? Usual ovens are definitely more analog than >>microwave ones, and I can't help that there is much more FEELING in food >>cooked in a real oven than in a microwave. Sure, microwave ovens are >>smaller and all that, but they are so impersonal and cold. Any ideas?
quoted 1 line yeah, and you'd also fucking blow a hole in your kitchen..>yeah, and you'd also fucking blow a hole in your kitchen..
in responce to my own responce, hear's my analysis.. Studying the above circumstances, it is only logical that vinyl is a much better choice. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org
1997-08-08 09:35ReZOn8oR@aol.comIn a message dated 97-08-07 18:02:43 EDT, you write: << Most Important when choosing a lis
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In a message dated 97-08-07 18:02:43 EDT, you write: << Most Important when choosing a listening medium; Vinyl outlasts CDs when bombarded by microwaves. So there! Put a CD in the microwave on hi power. It won't last 30 seconds. Its really quite a sight if you've never tried it. Lots of sparks. Vinyl hold up quite well. I haven't tried DAT or tapes. Anyone? >> I'm just gonna point out that no matter what listening medium you choose, none will work too well after you've covered your recorded album of choice with Saran Wrap. Seriously people, who cares? Everyone's gonna listen to what they already listen to, and maybe expand a bit, but probably not cos of what someone said on here. I enjoy all of my tapes, cd's, and vinyl, and i'm not ditching ANY of those media...end of story. Now would it be too much to ask if we talked about some actual music? I don't even care what....let's continue the Dark Magus thread...or even "should we talk about Chems & Prodigy on here?" IMO, that was better than "vinyl's better...no cd's are batter" (woops...better...altho i guess you could make some yummy pancakes or somethin outta cd's) --Matt, who should probably get to bed now ps--anyone else wonder if RDJ's buddies call him "Dick"?
1997-08-08 11:59Mathias VerraesYou can put mayonaise or ketchup on a cd and when your player is good enough, it will stil
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You can put mayonaise or ketchup on a cd and when your player is good enough, it will still sound exactly the same. Try that with vinyl... ------------------------------------------------------- M a t h i a s V e r r a e s ET.phone.home@ThePentagon.com To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing." This is truth, to me. -------------------------------------------------------