quoted 1 line Finally, a debate with fellow NYC'er Mr. Fahey:)
>Finally, a debate with fellow NYC'er Mr. Fahey:)
No! No debate! I agree with everything you say!
quoted 4 lines But after playing with {a sampler} I decided that doesn't
>But after playing with {a sampler} I decided that doesn't
>matter. Are all guitar players lazy if they don't try freaky chords tweaks
>and solos like Jimi HendriX? Or is it allowable to feel content with
>strumming a few chords and calling that a song?
Sometimes it is.
quoted 3 lines When you
>When you
>say lazy people, I assume you mean the blasse, predominantly clubby
>type drumnbass producers who don't tweak their breaks enough.
Yes, that's what I meant generally. I suppose I overstepped a little in
my phrasing: I don't think that using the Amen Break is a STRICT TABOO. I
just think that one should consider all of the implications of it before
using it. Heck, I could listen to
I just think that sampling offers enormous potential for artistic
expression, both conceptual and aesthetic. To not attempt to exploit that
potential is often disappointing.
You raise good points that music is not always about being interesting
in either of the above two ways (conceptual or aesthetic) - sometimes music
is *good* without being *interesting*. I'm talking about booty shaking funk,
or trippy goa, or surfin bird rock and roll. I respect the need to just
dance, but to be honest I could easily imagine a crowd of non-IDM fans
getting down to certain TJ tracks, or Amon Tobin, or even Autechre.
Many IDM artists suffer from a distinct lack of funkiness, an urge to
avoid being groovy or danceable, so they can focus on being fucked up or
cerebral. I think this is pretty much analogous to artists who avoid
conceptual experimentations and stick to tried and true Amens, 4/4s, snare
rushes, diva samples, etc with the sole purpose of making bootyshakers.
I *don't*, however, think the two are mutually exclusive. This is why
the D in IDM is so important to me.
quoted 6 lines I don't think those
>I don't think those
>people who you refer to as lazy are really lazy, I think they are people
>very much into a club culture, who don't care about geeky IDMer type
>people overanalyzing very 64th snare, who just want to maintain a certain
>'vibe', at the risk of coming off to some as 'lazy'. I find Roni Size
>incredibly boring, but in a club context, different story.
Case in point: Roni Size, both in his lyrical content and his PR
machine's focus, tries to present himself as the great Innovator, as the
veritable inventor of breakbeat. I can't help but think "If only his fans
both knew how electronic music, especially jungle, is actually made and if
only they had a chance to hear Hard Normal Daddy, they would see how Roni
Size, although perhaps fun, isn't as innovative as he cracks himself up to
be.
Oh well, I know I'm probably just being a snobby prick here. So sue me!
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