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PhilE
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Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:44:43 +0000
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Re: (idm) sampling
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quoted 3 lines hey folks,> hey folks, > u2...were the clowns who fucked over some musicians from california > for sampling some pop tune of theirs? corrections welcomed...
Negativland are the artists in question, and the single was called err, "U2". Haven't heard much of their stuff, but what I have was largely cut-up weirdness. I have an interview with them that I grabbed from the web, but I've lost the original URL, fortunately they have a nice unique name, so web searches tend to be pretty easy. Worth checking out, also check out John Oswalds Plunderphonics projects for more sampling / copyright fun. His cut-ups of Michael Jackson, Capt Beefheart, and Slayer have to be heard. Try http://www.io.org/~vacuvox/x/plunder.html which seems to be up sporadicaly also see article in Wired 3.02 (available at their web-site) and article in the Wire, which I'd love a copy of, if anyone has it in electronic form. I'm sure Wired have covered the Negativland / U2 / Casey Kasem thing in depth too. Warren Lapham <laps@umich.edu> wrote:
quoted 3 lines Was actually their record label, Island, that did the fucking> Was actually their record label, Island, that did the fucking > over. But it was still an awful thing that happened that U2 > probably could have stopped.
Yeah, right... Interview extract: K!z!K: The whole U2 affair took that sentiment and blew it up 10 times over for me when I was reading the initial reports that U2, Brian Eno, etc. really had nothing against the single, and yet you had Chris Blackwell.. you had Paul McGuiness, you had all these people... Mark Hosler: Well, I honestly don't know who to believe. Because quite honestly, I don't believe that U2 had nothing against it. I think if they did, things would have turned out differently a lot sooner than they did. If they truly stood by their convictions, than they would have done something to change the situation. And it wouldn't have taken Negativland three years of writing them letters to finally change their minds. Practically four years! When we did that interview with The Edge, I actually was fairly hopeful. I was quite surprised that he seemed to be as much on our side as he was. We were then quite surprised, though we shouldn't have been, that he proceeded to do absolutely nothing. But as I said, when you get into that part of the curd of the culture industry, you play the game by certain rules. You cannot rock the boat that much. Phil [On:Motorbass:Pansoul] PS This is about as IDM as U2 get... PPS transmat eh? How's Derricks album coming on...:) ...Ga Gak GaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAk...