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2000-02-11 07:51Bill, Wright (idm) head nodding generative music?....idea/question
2000-02-11 20:38m. abrahamsson (idm) idm-tng! Re: (idm) head nodding generative music?....idea/question
└─ 2000-02-12 12:23Irene McC Re: (idm) idm-tng! Re: (idm) head nodding generative music?....idea/question
2000-02-11 23:15greg davis (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
└─ 2000-02-12 07:38Bill, Wright Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
2000-02-11 23:42rich burly Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
2000-02-12 05:35Andrew Schrock Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
2000-02-12 08:03joseph fitzpatrick Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
2000-02-12 11:0772.03.24 161.70 Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
2000-02-12 15:51Christophe McKeon Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
2000-02-12 22:15zachary Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
└─ 2000-02-12 23:22atomly Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
└─ 2000-02-12 22:39Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
└─ 2000-02-13 00:11atomly Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
└─ 2000-02-12 23:25raveage RE: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
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2000-02-11 07:51Bill, WrightOk...I swear I am not on crack but I think this would be neat. So in hip hop, and some hig
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Ok...I swear I am not on crack but I think this would be neat. So in hip hop, and some higher tempo music, you nod your head to the music in agreement with the beats. consider a full forward and full backward head-nod position. consider the velocity and acceleration inherent with the head nod. consider snare spacing (think drill n' bass/sounding like the 1st track off of RDJ album) which precicely modeled this velocity/position and/or acceleration curve. Consider bass spacing which modeled each forward/back nod. what would this sound like? would it be the ultimate groove? no, this is not an elaborate joke. I am seriously curius. I'm just about to go borrow some potentiometric tranducers from the ME lab and hook them up to a computer and generate an appropriate curve and lay the beats out by hand. but with all this talk of generative music, I think it would be an interesting approach to drum programming. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-11 20:38m. abrahamssonyeah and i was just having a cup of tea the other day talking to some friends regarding a
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yeah and i was just having a cup of tea the other day talking to some friends regarding a recording of silence which would eliminate everyday sounds, people talking shit on the bus or whatever. all sounds - complete silence. i want to do it. and if you would record it to tape, the recording would even eat the noise which inevitalby comes with every tape recording. how about that? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-12 12:23Irene McCOn 11 Feb 00, m. abrahamsson wrote re (idm) idm-tng! Re: (idm) head no: > the recording wo
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quoted 2 lines the recording would even eat the noise which inevitalby comes with> the recording would even eat the noise which inevitalby comes with > every tape recording. how about that?
Not completely whacky. Something like the noise cancellation technique used in jets. I * np : Biosphere - Patashnik Who want to cancel noise when you can listen to this? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-11 23:15greg davisimpossible. there is no such thing as complete silence. unless you are dead. and we dont e
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impossible. there is no such thing as complete silence. unless you are dead. and we dont even know about that. even a silent recording makes sound. or sound infiltrates from around us. john cage tested this theory by going into an anechoic chamber that he thought would be completely silent. to his dismay, he heard 2 sounds. a high pitched one (his nervous system) and a low pitched sound (his blood/heartbeat). hmmmm. now that we know that we cant live in silence. and we cant really escape sounds. we have to bask in the glory of sound in all of its formations. wonder what kinds of sounds are in outerspace and on other planets?? idm content: im not sure. later, greg davis autumn records http://autumnrecords.cjb.net np: Ui-lifelike m. abrahamsson wrote:
quoted 10 lines yeah and i was just having a cup of tea the other day talking to some> yeah and i was just having a cup of tea the other day talking to some > friends regarding a recording of silence which would eliminate everyday > sounds, people talking shit on the bus or whatever. all sounds - complete > silence. i want to do it. and if you would record it to tape, the recording > would even eat the noise which inevitalby comes with every tape recording. > how about that? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-02-12 07:38Bill, WrightI was taking a class, "exploring separate realities" the name. Well, we talked a lot about
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I was taking a class, "exploring separate realities" the name. Well, we talked a lot about sensory deprivation tanks. And eventually we had the opportunity to visit a hospital which had a completely sound deadened room, which also would not echo. The room was on an eleaborate suspension system to, to avoid vibrations of any sort. Let me tell you, I never imagined the sound of my heart could be so deafening.....
quoted 4 lines john cage tested this theory by going into an anechoic chamber that he thought>john cage tested this theory by going into an anechoic chamber that he thought >would be completely silent. >to his dismay, he heard 2 sounds. a high pitched one (his nervous system) and >a low pitched sound (his blood/heartbeat).
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2000-02-11 23:42rich burly> m. abrahamsson wrote: ...regarding a recording of silence which would eliminate everyday
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quoted 1 line m. abrahamsson wrote:> m. abrahamsson wrote:
...regarding a recording of silence which would eliminate everyday sounds, people talking shit on the bus or whatever. all sounds - complete silence. i want to do it. and if you would record it to tape, the recording would even eat the noise which inevitalby comes with every tape recording. ---- that gent from autumn records was right about there being no silence, but it's possible that one could create a wave that psychoacoustically 'cancels out' background noise and still can't consciously be heard. the practical effect would be silence. idm content follows: didn't the gescom minidisc work on similar principles? ===== yours, niall. i've learned to use the word 'impossible' with the greatest caution. - w. von braun. http://friends.frontstage.com/?42156 (frontstage is fun) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-12 05:35Andrew Schrock> that gent from autumn records was right about there being no silence, but > it's possibl
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quoted 4 lines that gent from autumn records was right about there being no silence, but> that gent from autumn records was right about there being no silence, but > it's possible that one could create a wave that psychoacoustically > 'cancels out' background noise and still can't consciously be heard. the > practical effect would be silence.
I believe Sony makes a pair of headphones which do just this. Ah yes, here we go, check out this link: http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/generic/accessories/noisecancelingheadphones/index.shtml Andrew -| Andrew Schrock | aschrock@cs.brandeis.edu |- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-12 08:03joseph fitzpatrickthat's the goddamned most interesting thing i've ever heard. i was not aware that the nerv
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that's the goddamned most interesting thing i've ever heard. i was not aware that the nervous system made a sound. what exactly do you mean by that? what was the sound? -----Original Message----- From: Bill, Wright <wwright@clemson.edu> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 2:35 AM Subject: Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so.
quoted 12 lines I was taking a class, "exploring separate realities" the name. Well, we>I was taking a class, "exploring separate realities" the name. Well, we >talked a lot about sensory deprivation tanks. And eventually we had the >opportunity to visit a hospital which had a completely sound deadened room, >which also would not echo. The room was on an eleaborate suspension system >to, to avoid vibrations of any sort. > >Let me tell you, I never imagined the sound of my heart could be so >deafening..... > > > >>john cage tested this theory by going into an anechoic chamber that he
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quoted 2 lines would be completely silent.>>would be completely silent. >>to his dismay, he heard 2 sounds. a high pitched one (his nervous system)
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quoted 7 lines a low pitched sound (his blood/heartbeat).>>a low pitched sound (his blood/heartbeat). > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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quoted 15 lines m. abrahamsson wrote:> > m. abrahamsson wrote: > > ...regarding a recording of silence which would eliminate > everyday sounds, people talking shit on the bus or whatever. all sounds - > complete silence. i want to do it. and if you would record it to tape, the > recording would even eat the noise which inevitalby comes with every tape > recording. > > ---- > > that gent from autumn records was right about there being no silence, but > it's possible that one could create a wave that psychoacoustically > 'cancels out' background noise and still can't consciously be heard. the > practical effect would be silence. >
---> I believe this theory was applied on the engines of U-Boats to make them as silent as possible so they could not be detected that easy.
quoted 22 lines idm content follows:> > idm content follows: > didn't the gescom minidisc work on similar principles? > > ===== > yours, > niall. > > i've learned to use the word 'impossible' > with the greatest caution. - w. von braun. > > http://friends.frontstage.com/?42156 (frontstage is fun) > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-02-12 15:51Christophe McKeonLike any elctrical/biological system, of course it is going to make noise (the nervous sys
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Like any elctrical/biological system, of course it is going to make noise (the nervous system), i.e. move air or other matter in such a way as to be picked up by the ear, or even the rest of the body. Every one I'm sure has felt sound before by other means than through the ears. Then there is also the internal "noise" inherent in the auditory system itself. Interference and so on, which does not have it's origin in "outside" sound of any kind. If the auditory system is taken to include the brain and the remainder of the body, it becomes clear that noiselessness is highly unlikely on any level. In the purest of darkness you will always see things, both because of internal "noise" inherent to the system, but also because a mnemotechnics comes into play - meaning a production of images along lines already traveled, and the emergent or creative one associated with it. I think the same can be said for "sound". Regards, Christophe joseph fitzpatrick wrote:
quoted 37 lines that's the goddamned most interesting thing i've ever heard. i was not> that's the goddamned most interesting thing i've ever heard. i was not > aware that the nervous system made a sound. what exactly do you mean by > that? what was the sound? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill, Wright <wwright@clemson.edu> > To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> > Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 2:35 AM > Subject: Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so. > > >I was taking a class, "exploring separate realities" the name. Well, we > >talked a lot about sensory deprivation tanks. And eventually we had the > >opportunity to visit a hospital which had a completely sound deadened room, > >which also would not echo. The room was on an eleaborate suspension system > >to, to avoid vibrations of any sort. > > > >Let me tell you, I never imagined the sound of my heart could be so > >deafening..... > > > > > > > >>john cage tested this theory by going into an anechoic chamber that he > thought > >>would be completely silent. > >>to his dismay, he heard 2 sounds. a high pitched one (his nervous system) > and > >>a low pitched sound (his blood/heartbeat). > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-02-12 22:15zacharyas it was said before, in a sensory deprivation tank, one is able to hear even the most mi
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as it was said before, in a sensory deprivation tank, one is able to hear even the most minute movements of the body. i had an experience when i was able to hear my eyes moving back and forth!!! silence doesn't exist. zachary zim200@is7.nyu.edu At 10:51 AM 2/12/0, Christophe McKeon wrote:
quoted 62 lines Like any elctrical/biological system, of course it is going to make noise (the>Like any elctrical/biological system, of course it is going to make noise (the >nervous system), i.e. move air or other matter in such a way as to be picked up >by the ear, or even the rest of the body. Every one I'm sure has felt sound >before by other means than through the ears. Then there is also the internal >"noise" inherent in the auditory system itself. Interference and so on, which >does not have it's origin in "outside" sound of any kind. If the auditory >system is taken to include the brain and the remainder of the body, it becomes >clear that noiselessness is highly unlikely on any level. In the purest of >darkness you will always see things, both because of internal "noise" inherent >to the system, but also because a mnemotechnics comes into play - meaning a >production of images along lines already traveled, and the emergent or creative >one associated with it. I think the same can be said for "sound". > >Regards, >Christophe > > > >joseph fitzpatrick wrote: > >> that's the goddamned most interesting thing i've ever heard. i was not >> aware that the nervous system made a sound. what exactly do you mean by >> that? what was the sound? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill, Wright <wwright@clemson.edu> >> To: idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> >> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 2:35 AM >> Subject: Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so. >> >> >I was taking a class, "exploring separate realities" the name. Well, we >> >talked a lot about sensory deprivation tanks. And eventually we had the >> >opportunity to visit a hospital which had a completely sound deadened room, >> >which also would not echo. The room was on an eleaborate suspension system >> >to, to avoid vibrations of any sort. >> > >> >Let me tell you, I never imagined the sound of my heart could be so >> >deafening..... >> > >> > >> > >> >>john cage tested this theory by going into an anechoic chamber that he >> thought >> >>would be completely silent. >> >>to his dismay, he heard 2 sounds. a high pitched one (his nervous system) >> and >> >>a low pitched sound (his blood/heartbeat). >> > >> > >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2000-02-12 23:22atomlyOn Sat, 12 Feb 2000, zachary wrote: > as it was said before, in a sensory deprivation tank
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quoted 2 lines as it was said before, in a sensory deprivation tank, one is able to hear> as it was said before, in a sensory deprivation tank, one is able to hear > even the most minute movements of the body.
But the idea here is that whatever sound you heard would be cancelled out by the corresponding inverse wave (which works because of the wave nature of sound. Two opposite waves cancel each other out). Of course the logistics of this are beyond anything I could ever imagine. The cancelling machine itself would be bound to make noise, so that would have to be accounted for, and the speaker used to generate the tones would have to be perfect to be able to cancel out the waves.
quoted 2 lines i had an experience when i was able to hear my eyes moving back and> i had an experience when i was able to hear my eyes moving back and > forth!!!
OK, that's pretty freaky and cool.
quoted 1 line silence doesn't exist.> silence doesn't exist.
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2000-02-12 22:39anything@synthesizer.org>> silence doesn't exist. > >But it is possible. not anywhere that you could hear it. well
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quoted 3 lines silence doesn't exist.>> silence doesn't exist. > >But it is possible.
not anywhere that you could hear it. well, perhaps if you bonded noise canceling transducers to your ossicles, basilar membrane, and cochlear oval window. alternatively, there's the "icepick through the forehead" method. -- http://www.synthesizer.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-13 00:11atomlyOn Sat, 12 Feb 2000 anything@synthesizer.org wrote: > alternatively, there's the "icepick
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quoted 1 line alternatively, there's the "icepick through the forehead" method.> alternatively, there's the "icepick through the forehead" method.
That never works, I always hear a weird crunching noise when I try that. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-02-12 23:25raveagehehe -----Original Message----- From: atomly [mailto:atomly@atomly.com] Sent: Saturday, Fe
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hehe -----Original Message----- From: atomly [mailto:atomly@atomly.com] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 7:12 PM To: anything@synthesizer.org Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (idm) silence recording?? i dont think so. On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 anything@synthesizer.org wrote:
quoted 1 line alternatively, there's the "icepick through the forehead" method.> alternatively, there's the "icepick through the forehead" method.
That never works, I always hear a weird crunching noise when I try that. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@cyrus.net http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly [CELL|(888)522.3830] | [CELL|(701)729.1631] | [HOME|(651)748.8676] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org