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1996-10-10 16:01acowper@dvcorp.co.ukkhannan suntharam <kxs28972@Bayou.UH.EDU> belched forth: > > Here's how I classify jungle:

From:: <acowper@dvcorp.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:01:44 +0100
Subject:: Re: (idm) Jungle/Drum n Bass

khannan suntharam <kxs28972@Bayou.UH.EDU> belched forth:

quoted 9 lines Here's how I classify jungle:

> > Here's how I classify jungle: > > 1) Intelligent - 100% Diva free. > 2) Shit(e) - Somehow a fuckin Diva made it into the studio and has > rendered what is otherwise pleasant beatology into a tortured travesty of > music. (ala Logical Progression) > > JUST SAY NO TO DIVAS !!!!

I'm confused. When you say diva's do you mean all singers, or just female ones, or just singers you don't like? Do you like any music with vocals? Thats a bit extreme if you don't - try David Toop's new compilation Crooning on Venus (Virgin I think) for some extreme vocal music. Personally I reckon a bit of singing often does wonders for a track i.e. The two Chameleon tracks on Good Looking, erm and loads of others tracks I can't be bothered to think off. What do other IDM'ers think of singing on electronic music? I certainly know a few people, who having discovered a world outside guitar/bass/drums/vocals bounce violently in the opposite direction and can't stand any hint of a vocal. Oh well - their loss. Cheers Andrew C.

1996-10-10 18:08Greg Earle>> JUST SAY NO TO DIVAS !!!! > > I'm confused. When you say diva's do you mean all singers

From:: Greg Earle <earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US>
To:: <acowper@dvcorp.co.uk>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:08:57 -0700
Subject:: (idm) Divas: Just Say No (Was: Re: Jungle/Drum n Bass)
Reply to:: Re: (idm) Jungle/Drum n Bass

quoted 5 lines JUST SAY NO TO DIVAS !!!!

>> JUST SAY NO TO DIVAS !!!! > > I'm confused. When you say diva's do you mean all singers, or > just female ones, or just singers you don't like? Do you like > any music with vocals? Thats a bit extreme if you don't -

Is it?

quoted 1 line Personally I reckon a bit of singing often does wonders for a track

> Personally I reckon a bit of singing often does wonders for a track

I don't.

quoted 1 line i.e. The two Chameleon tracks on Good Looking, erm and loads

> i.e. The two Chameleon tracks on Good Looking, erm and loads

Chameleon, blecch ... I can see why khannan suntharam said what he did ... I've heard a few Goldie tracks that made me think to myself, "Hmmn, some nice noises in here ... " and then some vocal comes along and suddenly the snares-that-never-stop of Jungle combined with the vocals just puts me right off of it.

quoted 4 lines What do other IDM'ers think of singing on electronic music? I certainly know

> What do other IDM'ers think of singing on electronic music? I certainly know > a few people, who having discovered a world outside guitar/bass/drums/vocals > bounce violently in the opposite direction and can't stand any hint of > a vocal. Oh well - their loss.

Vocals suck. Hehehe hehe hehehehe ... If I wanted vocals, I'd sing Joy Division songs in the shower ... (But seriously folks) I don't mind when a vocal snippet is used as an instrumental addition - the odd Ofra Haza sample here and there, fer example, or the Karen Carpenter motif from "No One In The World" - but I have little tolerance for singing or House divas (outside of the club/rave environment). Being one of those people who's been pummeled for the past 30 years by guitar/bass/drums/vocals and who "bounce[d] violently in the opposite direction", I resent the implication that it's "my loss" because I'm sick of conventional music and vocals. Whatever floats yer boat mate ... - Greg

(idm) Divas: Just Say No (Was: Re: Jungle/Drum n Bass)