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1996-04-01 08:25rephlex (idm) Re: PhleX
├─ 1996-04-02 02:49Julius anthony Martinez Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
│ └─ 1996-04-02 15:23Kent Williams Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
│ ├─ 1996-04-02 19:34khannan suntharam Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
│ └─ 1996-04-02 20:35Julius anthony Martinez Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
└─ 1996-04-03 02:12Derek Jordan Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
1996-04-01 14:58Gonzalo Merchan Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
1996-04-01 22:15Jesse Stricker Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
└─ 1996-04-02 15:14Kent Williams Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
1996-04-01 23:53Gonzalo Merchan Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
└─ 1996-04-02 16:21Kent Williams (idm) PRince?
└─ 1996-04-03 02:24Derek Jordan Re: (idm) PRince?
1996-04-02 01:41g3 Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
└─ 1996-04-02 08:36Greg Earle (idm) Re: Re: PhleX
└─ 1996-04-02 19:30Arjun Re: (idm) Re: Re: PhleX
└─ 1996-04-02 21:26Greg Earle (idm) Re: Re: PhleX
1996-04-02 03:26Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
└─ 1996-04-02 07:25Julius anthony Martinez Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
└─ 1996-04-04 02:23Wart Orchard <idm> Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
1996-04-02 06:28GD Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
1996-04-02 12:18Gonzalo Merchan Re: (idm) Re: PhleX
1996-07-16 10:28rephlex (idm) Re: Phlex
├─ 1996-07-16 15:17Kent Williams Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
│ └─ 1996-07-16 16:10C.J. Mc Collum Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
└─ 1996-07-17 22:11Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
1996-07-16 10:59Sugatis & Co Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
1996-07-16 17:38Pete Ashdown (idm) Re: Phlex
├─ 1996-07-16 20:04Steven T Lammers (idm) Re: Think Vertical
│ └─ 1996-07-16 20:37Jon Drukman Re: (idm) Re: Think Vertical
└─ 1996-07-17 09:54g3 Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
├─ 1996-07-17 14:17Steven T Lammers Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
└─ 1996-07-17 16:42Kent Williams Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
1996-09-25 12:28rephlex (idm) Re: Phlex
├─ 1996-09-25 13:46C.J. Mc Collum Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
│ └─ 1996-09-26 06:38Mike Oxlong Re: (idm) Re: 'grats Phlex
└─ 1996-11-07 20:34William L Samuels Re: (idm) Re: Phlex
1996-09-25 12:32rephlex (idm) Re: Phlex
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1996-04-01 08:25rephlexAfter loads of careful planning, we've decided to have a shakeup: 15/4 Gentle People Singl
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After loads of careful planning, we've decided to have a shakeup: 15/4 Gentle People Single, Kinesthesia album 15 or 22/4 Leo Anibaldi album 29/4 Bluff Limbo, Caustic Window album (new tracks) 6/5 Squarepusher single, followed by album shortly after. Then Mike and Rich a few weeks later, together with an amazing Cylob album. Sorry to change everything around but you'll understand in retrospect. By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you cannot find a "better" release on any label in history than the forthcoming Squarepusher album. Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin, Prince, Public Enemy, Brian Eno - whatever your taste, but this stands high alongside. I know that's quite a claim but it WILL change your life, it will give you a breath of air like you've NEVER known and it will remind everyone out there what time it is. If you miss it, you may as well never buy another record. Take heed!
1996-04-02 02:49Julius anthony MartinezOn Mon, 1 Apr 1996, rephlex wrote: > By the way, I must stress to you again that I am conv
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, rephlex wrote:
quoted 3 lines By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you cannot> By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you cannot > find a "better" release on any label in history than the forthcoming > Squarepusher album.
So it's the "best" album ever?....In the history of music? An april fools joke right? :-)
quoted 2 lines Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin,>Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin, > Prince, Public Enemy, Brian Eno - whatever your taste
That's a scary and unappetizing combination. Prince and Public Enemy? Bleah....
quoted 3 lines I know that's quite a claim but it WILL change your life, it will> I know that's quite a claim but it WILL change your life, it will > give you a breath of air like you've NEVER known and it will remind everyone > out there what time it is.
Good for those of us without watches! Tony
1996-04-02 15:23Kent WilliamsOn Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Julius anthony Martinez wrote: > >Sure, there are parallels; Chick Cor
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Julius anthony Martinez wrote:
quoted 6 lines Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin,> >Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin, > > Prince, Public Enemy, Brian Eno - whatever your taste > > That's a scary and unappetizing combination. Prince and Public Enemy? > Bleah.... >
Now I'm going to have to beat you senseless Julius! If you can't see the connection btw Prince and Public Enemy (and Chick Corea, for that matter) then don't buy the record. Josh Wink has another 30 hrs of lame acid for you to listen to. BTW much has been made of Industrial influences in the harder work of Richard James. Perhaps he listened to a bit of industrial (was Skinny Puppy big in the UK?) but the case can be made that the work of the Bomb Squad and Terminator X are more direct precursors. Listen to "It takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back", then AB IV and get back to me. Actually that would be one of my dream teams -- Hank Shocklee, Terminator X, Richard James and Flavor Flav. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kent Williams kent@inav.net (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)
1996-04-02 19:34khannan suntharam> Actually that would be one of my dream teams -- Hank Shocklee, Terminator X, > Richard J
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quoted 2 lines Actually that would be one of my dream teams -- Hank Shocklee, Terminator X,> Actually that would be one of my dream teams -- Hank Shocklee, Terminator X, > Richard James and Flavor Flav.
To this I can only say "Yeeaaaaaaaahhhhh Booooooyyeeeeee!!!!!" khannan suntharam kxs28972@bayou.uh.edu "Just slap your hands to tha wheel"
1996-04-02 20:35Julius anthony MartinezOn Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Kent Williams wrote: > If you can't see the connection btw Prince and
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Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:35:29 -0800 (PST)
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On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Kent Williams wrote:
quoted 3 lines If you can't see the connection btw Prince and Public Enemy (and Chick> If you can't see the connection btw Prince and Public Enemy (and Chick > Corea, for that matter) then don't buy the (Squarepusher) record. Josh > Wink has another 30 hrs of lame acid for you to listen to.
I wasn't questioning any connection between the above artists. Any connection that exists is simply of no interest (to me) and I'm amazed that people find any real connection between Prince's "genius" and IDM. I've heard all eras of Prince and he's gone from mediocre (1999) to truly horrid (these days). I fully intend on checking out the Squarepusher record though. Grant clarified saying he was throwing out names like Prince, Corea and Public Enemy *at random*...so that bodes well for the Squarepusher release (which initially sounded like it might be some sort of amalgam of these artists influences). I'm sure the Squarepusher album will be good if Rephlex's past track record is any indication of things to come. Tony
1996-04-03 02:12Derek Jordan>Caustic Window album (new tracks) I knew there was something I was forgetting to ask abou
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quoted 1 line Caustic Window album (new tracks)>Caustic Window album (new tracks)
I knew there was something I was forgetting to ask about! Message Sent. Goodbye! Derek
1996-04-01 14:58Gonzalo Merchan>15/4 Gentle People Single, Kinesthesia album >15 or 22/4 Leo Anibaldi album >29/4 Bluff L
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quoted 5 lines 15/4 Gentle People Single, Kinesthesia album>15/4 Gentle People Single, Kinesthesia album >15 or 22/4 Leo Anibaldi album >29/4 Bluff Limbo, Caustic Window album (new tracks) >6/5 Squarepusher single, followed by album shortly after. >Then Mike and Rich a few weeks later, together with an amazing
Cylob album.
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I'm sure right now all our heads are reeling from getting so much information at once. Now we know what Grant was talking about when he was arguing about not reissuing Joy Rex's in favor of new material. God bless Rephlex and may I never doubt them again. Long live those magnificent bastards at Rephlex! Gods among men! BTW, for all interested parties there is a profile of Squarepusher in the April issue of Muzik as well a (yikes) picture. He looks like he could be Luke Viberts brother with that hair. And I haven't heard any of his music yet either. Can't find it. -Fresh (now taping release schedule above bed so I can pray to it every night)
1996-04-01 22:15Jesse StrickerGrant @ Rephlex sez: > By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you
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Grant @ Rephlex sez:
quoted 8 lines By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you cannot> By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you cannot > find a "better" release on any label in history than the forthcoming > Squarepusher album. Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin, > Prince, Public Enemy, Brian Eno - whatever your taste, but this stands high > alongside. I know that's quite a claim but it WILL change your life, it > will give you a breath of air like you've NEVER known and it will remind > everyone out there what time it is. If you miss it, you may as well never > buy another record. Take heed!
Fair enough. But let me say this, having never heard Squarepusher. Hype is cheap these days, and this includes the IDM world. If I spend the money and time to get a copy of this, it damn well better be the best thing since sunny days. If it's not, I will *never* buy another Rephlex release again. Period. While you probably won't ever notice the difference, I'm serious about this. PR hype is obnoxious, unnecessary and deceitful. The fact that it's on Rephlex is enough to make 70% of your customers buy it anyway. I'm going to trust you and assume that this is truly excellent, but if I get burned, that's *it*. I've bought too many records that are supposed to change my life that end up as expensive wallpaper. Advertising rarely has a positive effect on me anymore, but it can have one hell of a negative effect. Plus, I don't care how good the album is, drawing parallels with Public Enemy and Brian Eno at the same time sets my bullshit filters off. That said, I'll look forward to the album. After all, it does come with the highest recommendation :) My two cents, Jesse (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are still important, and I'm young enough to know that. It's not a matter of age, it's a matter of clear communication and pride in what you put forth to the world.) --- "It's time for me to bend over and receive my destiny" -- Bart Simpson "I paid the piper, now I'm-a pick the tune!" -- Aceyalone Jesse Stricker jds19@acpub.duke.edu
1996-04-02 15:14Kent WilliamsOn Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Jesse Stricker wrote: > > Grant @ Rephlex sez: > > > By the way, I mus
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Jesse Stricker wrote:
quoted 9 lines Grant @ Rephlex sez:> > Grant @ Rephlex sez: > > > By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you cannot > > find a "better" release on any label in history than the forthcoming > > Squarepusher album. > > Fair enough. But let me say this, having never heard > Squarepusher. Hype is cheap these days, and this includes the IDM world.
There is PR -- it's made by people who washed out of poetry and fiction writing in college. Then there's Grant, who I think is giving you a bottom of his heart opinion. He's biased, obviously, having put himself and Rephlex at financial risk to release a disk. But never doubt that HE doesn't feel exactly the way he says he feels about a disk.
quoted 1 line PR hype is obnoxious, unnecessary and deceitful.> PR hype is obnoxious, unnecessary and deceitful.
Otherwise it wouldn't be PR! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kent Williams kent@inav.net (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)
1996-04-01 23:53Gonzalo Merchan>I still maintain that "genius" and "Prince" are two mutually exculsive >terms, and furthe
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quoted 1 line I still maintain that "genius" and "Prince" are two mutually>I still maintain that "genius" and "Prince" are two mutually
exculsive
quoted 1 line terms, and furthermore, Prince has no real relevance to this list.>terms, and furthermore, Prince has no real relevance to this list.
Prince is the bomb and everyone knows it. -Fresh "I got a letter from the goverment, the other day. I opened and read it, it said they where suckers..."
1996-04-02 16:21Kent WilliamsOn Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Gonzalo Merchan wrote: > > >I still maintain that "genius" and "Prince
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Gonzalo Merchan wrote:
quoted 6 lines I still maintain that "genius" and "Prince" are two mutually> > >I still maintain that "genius" and "Prince" are two mutually > >exculsive terms, and furthermore, Prince has no real relevance > >to this list. > > Prince is the bomb and everyone knows it.
It's important to distinguish between the many Princes. There's the embarrassment of recent years, in which mediocre albums and an increasingly weird persona have taken over. Then there's the albums from the 80's that turned the world on it's ear. Sometime someone should ask the techno boffins of today how many of them wore out a copy of '1999.' And the man still has it, though who knows when it will surface again commercially. Some of the Minneapolis subscribers to IDM (Chris? Rob?) have stories to tell of unannounced live gigs that w ere state of the art... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kent Williams kent@inav.net (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)
1996-04-03 02:24Derek Jordan> > Prince is the bomb and everyone knows it. I know it. Talk to me privately. If you can'
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quoted 1 line Prince is the bomb and everyone knows it.> > Prince is the bomb and everyone knows it.
I know it. Talk to me privately. If you can't see the FUNK connection between his work(as Prince), and Moodrings' "sopping the biscuit", you're full of shit! He just needs to find Wendy, Lisa, Dez, Andre, Brown Mark & Dr. Fink, and MPLS will have themselves a proper "live IDM" band. Derek .02 of 1.00
1996-04-02 01:41g3[this is version 6.2, the heavily edited, really rather polite one] At 17:15 01/04/96 -050
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[this is version 6.2, the heavily edited, really rather polite one] At 17:15 01/04/96 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 2 lines Grant @ Rephlex sez:> > Grant @ Rephlex sez:
quoted 4 lines Advertising rarely has a positive effect on me anymore, but it can> Advertising rarely has a positive effect on me anymore, but it can >have one hell of a negative effect. Plus, I don't care how good the album >is, drawing parallels with Public Enemy and Brian Eno at the same time >sets my bullshit filters off.
this was clearly not an advert you moron. and the analogy refers to people who are(were) the best(landmarks) in their field. draw your own conclusion.
quoted 4 lines (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are> (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are >still important, and I'm young enough to know that. It's not a matter of >age, it's a matter of clear communication and pride in what you put forth >to the world.)
fgck off. g.
1996-04-02 08:36Greg EarleI find these 2 responses *extremely* disturbing. Get sorted, both of you. g303 writes: > [
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I find these 2 responses *extremely* disturbing. Get sorted, both of you. g303 writes:
quoted 1 line [this is version 6.2, the heavily edited, really rather polite one]> [this is version 6.2, the heavily edited, really rather polite one]
How about the "out of character for g303, really rather distateful one"?
quoted 1 line This was clearly not an advert you moron. And the analogy refers to people> This was clearly not an advert you moron. And the analogy refers to people
Calling someone a "moron" is simply Not On. And it was hype, pure and simple. Hype is certainly a form of advert ...
quoted 1 line who are(were) the best(landmarks) in their field. Draw your own conclusion.> who are(were) the best(landmarks) in their field. Draw your own conclusion.
My own conclusion is that Chick Corea and Prince (save for "Gett Off" [sic]) are utter wank rubbish. "best" is a subjective experience, y'know?
quoted 6 lines (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are>> (Unrelated, while I'm drawing flames -- spelling and grammar are >> still important, and I'm young enough to know that. It's not a matter of >> age, it's a matter of clear communication and pride in what you put forth >> to the world.) > > fgck off.
I see nothing in the previous paragraph to cause you to tell him to "fuck off" (however you choose to spell it) in a public forum. Andrew/Ren8sance writes:
quoted 1 line The word "ignoramus" comes too [sic] mind.> The word "ignoramus" comes too [sic] mind.
See above. Put a sock in it.
quoted 2 lines It is absurd to try and ridicule> It is absurd to try and ridicule > someone just because you happen not to have the same musical tastes.
I thought he was taking the piss out of a big bag of wind. (An oftentimes extremely sarcastic and condescending bag of wind too, I might add.)
quoted 4 lines Anyone who can recognize the genius in not only AFX's work, but also Prince's> Anyone who can recognize the genius in not only AFX's work, but also Prince's > and Eno's as well (not to mention others) has so many legs up on you and your > narrow-mindedness that you might as well be speaking Berber than talking > about techno and idm.
Oh noooo, I guess because I think TAFKA Prince is mostly rubbish with an occasional good track that I must be a narrow-minded heathen who doesn't recognize his true genius. Boo hoo. I consider it far more narrow-minded to ignore the fact that music is a *SUBJECTIVE* experience that's completely different from one person to the next, based on their framework, their context, and the neurons firing in their brains. THAT is why "THIS IS THE FOOKIN' GREATEST MAAAAAN" rings the Bullshit Detectors, my friends. Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far as the end of my fist. - Greg
1996-04-02 19:30ArjunOn Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Greg Earle wrote: > Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far
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On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Greg Earle wrote:
quoted 2 lines Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far as the end of my fist.> Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far as the end of my fist. >
When a guy half way across the world whom you've never met can make music that you and thousands of other people love, its clear that "great music" is something that extends far beyond the end of your fist. That statement is an insult to all musicians.
1996-04-02 21:26Greg Earle> On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Greg Earle wrote: > >> Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as
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quoted 7 lines On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Greg Earle wrote:> On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Greg Earle wrote: > >> Remember: The term "Greatest" only applies as far as the end of my fist. > > When a guy half way across the world whom you've never met can make music > that you and thousands of other people love, its clear that "great music" > is something that extends far beyond the end of your fist.
*Strikes palm to forehead* What the heck does the term "great music" have to do with what I said? Since you didn't get it, I'll repeat: Music is a SUBJECTIVE experience, perhaps *the* most subjective experience there is, alongside art appreciation. :-) If you, Arjun, say "The Partridge Family Album is the GREATEST ALBUM EVER RELEASED BY ANY LABEL", that use of the word "greatest" extends no further than my fist. And similarly, *my* use of the word "greatest" extends no further than *your* fist. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the term "great music". In short, let's keep the hyperbole to a minimum and get on with it. Enough of this non-thread ... - Greg
1996-04-02 03:26Ren8sance@aol.commartinez@mail.sdsu.edu (Julius anthony Martinez) wrote: >>Sure, there are parallels; Chick
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martinez@mail.sdsu.edu (Julius anthony Martinez) wrote:
quoted 2 lines Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin,>>Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin, >> Prince, Public Enemy, Brian Eno - whatever your taste
quoted 1 line That's a scary and unappetizing combination. Prince and Public >Enemy?>That's a scary and unappetizing combination. Prince and Public >Enemy?
Bleah....
quoted 1 line out there what time it is.>> out there what time it is.
quoted 1 line Good for those of us without watches!>Good for those of us without watches!
The word "ignoramus" comes too mind. It is absurd to try and ridicule someone just because you happen not to have the same musical tastes. Anyone who can recognize the genius in not only AFX's work, but also Prince's and Eno's as well (not to mention others) has so many legs up on you and your narrow-mindedness that you might as well be speaking Berber than talking about techno and idm. It bothers me that the minute someone passes out some information about upcoming releases (usually Grant), someone else feels the need to undermine it and spout off generalizations and just plain bullshit.
quoted 2 lines So it's the "best" album ever?....In the history of music? An april fools>So it's the "best" album ever?....In the history of music? An april fools >joke right? :-)
The April fools joke was your post...and it wasn't very funny. I dunno, maybe I'm just in a bad mood. Nah. That can't be it. I had a good day. : ) Andrew
1996-04-02 07:25Julius anthony MartinezOn Mon, 1 Apr 1996 Ren8sance@aol.com wrote: > The word "ignoramus" comes too mind. It is a
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 Ren8sance@aol.com wrote:
quoted 2 lines The word "ignoramus" comes too mind. It is absurd to try and ridicule> The word "ignoramus" comes too mind. It is absurd to try and ridicule > someone just because you happen not to have the same musical tastes
I certainly appreciated the info about upcoming releases from Grant but I felt the Squarepusher hype "deserved" to be ridiculed as it was patently "absurd" and "over-the-top." If someone is going to post that kind of hyperobole they should expect a reaction. I didn't "ridicule" Grant's divergent tastes in music I just gave my "opinion" that Public Enemy and Prince are (in my opinion) not an appetizing combination for a musical project, much less a project that is IDM-related. I'm certainly "entitled" to give my opinion aren't I? Or is the fact that my opinion (and means of expressing it) are different than yours that makes me an "ignoramous"?
quoted 2 lines Anyone>Anyone > who can recognize the genius in not only AFX's work, but also Prince's
I still maintain that "genius" and "Prince" are two mutually exculsive terms, and furthermore, Prince has no real relevance to this list. Tony
1996-04-04 02:23Wart OrchardOn Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Julius anthony Martinez wrote: > I certainly appreciated the info abou
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On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Julius anthony Martinez wrote:
quoted 3 lines I certainly appreciated the info about upcoming releases from> I certainly appreciated the info about upcoming releases from > Grant but I felt the Squarepusher hype "deserved" to be ridiculed as it > was patently "absurd" and "over-the-top." If someone is going to post
If a record is that good, we'll know it when it comes out, because IDM'ers that get it will praise it. ...else, Grant's hype just backfires by appearing to be... uh...hype. David Chandler - chandler@nethost.multnomah.lib.or.us (503)301-3011 grep -i casio goodwillbins >> mystudio ; grep -i atari goodwillbins >> mystudio ;
1996-04-02 06:28GDrephlex wrote: > By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you canno
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rephlex wrote:
quoted 8 lines By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you cannot> By the way, I must stress to you again that I am convinced that you cannot > find a "better" release on any label in history than the forthcoming > Squarepusher album. Sure, there are parallels; Chick Corea, Aphex Twin, > Prince, Public Enemy, Brian Eno - whatever your taste, but this stands high > alongside. I know that's quite a claim but it WILL change your life, it will > give you a breath of air like you've NEVER known and it will remind everyone > out there what time it is. If you miss it, you may as well never buy another > record. Take heed!
I'm a believer! After finally locating a Squarepusher 12" (Alroy Road Tracks), I have to say that this boy has some serious talent. He does d&b right with a good dose of melody and harmony, and he fuckin' wreaks havoc on the drum programming side. So I guess I could say it's one of the most musical (in a tonal sense) jungle releases I've heard - at times verging into fusion and jazz, akin to the second side of Plug3. And the last song on the first side of the EP, called "Sarcacid (part 2)" is a masterpiece of blazing 808 rhythms and a gorgeous, melancholy progression on a vintage synth patch. If this release isn't IDM, I don't know what is. Incidentally, does anyone know of any mail-order shops in the US that have his stuff? I was lucky to come across this release at Chicago's Gramaphone, but I've had no luck with other places. GD
1996-04-02 12:18Gonzalo Merchan>15/4 Gentle People Single, Kinesthesia album >15 or 22/4 Leo Anibaldi album >29/4 Bluff L
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quoted 7 lines 15/4 Gentle People Single, Kinesthesia album>15/4 Gentle People Single, Kinesthesia album >15 or 22/4 Leo Anibaldi album >29/4 Bluff Limbo, Caustic Window album (new tracks) >6/5 Squarepusher single, followed by album shortly after. >Then Mike and Rich a few weeks later, together with an amazing >Cylob album. >
BTW, which of these releases will be released on CD as well as viynl? Are there CAT numbers for these yet? This will help us all in putting in our special orders good and early.... -Fresh
1996-07-16 10:28rephlexDon't keep music underground.
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Don't keep music underground.
1996-07-16 15:17Kent WilliamsOn Tue, 16 Jul 1996, rephlex wrote: > Don't keep music underground. > The moisture and bac
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On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, rephlex wrote:
quoted 2 lines Don't keep music underground.> Don't keep music underground. >
The moisture and bacteria play hell with the paper parts of the packaging. It is possible to carefully seal your music in heavy-weight plastic, but over the years the plastic wrapping can deteriorate, leaving your music open to damage, especially in damp or low-lying areas prone to flooding. You'll have more success burying CD's underground than LPs, as the LPs have more delicate surfaces, though no long term studies of burying CD's have been done. All in all, it's just simpler and more convenient to keep your music near your stereo setup, or in one of those nifty nylon cases if you choose to use a portable stereo. OBIDM: Glenn Underground 'Atmosfear' -- how house can be smooth and kicking at the same time. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)
1996-07-16 16:10C.J. Mc CollumOn Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Kent Williams wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, rephlex wrote: > > > Don'
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On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, Kent Williams wrote:
quoted 31 lines On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, rephlex wrote:> On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, rephlex wrote: > > > Don't keep music underground. > > > The moisture and bacteria play hell with the paper parts of the packaging. > It is possible to carefully seal your music in heavy-weight plastic, but > over the years the plastic wrapping can deteriorate, leaving your music > open to damage, especially in damp or low-lying areas prone to flooding. > > You'll have more success burying CD's underground than LPs, as the LPs have > more delicate surfaces, though no long term studies of burying CD's have > been done. > > All in all, it's just simpler and more convenient to keep your music > near your stereo setup, or in one of those nifty nylon cases if you choose > to use a portable stereo. > > OBIDM: Glenn Underground 'Atmosfear' -- how house can be smooth and kicking > at the same time. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures > of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev > > NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html > Kent Williams kent@inav.net > CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 > (319) 338 6053 (home) > (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) > (319) 626 3489 (fax) > >
The best place for your music is on your turntable. Jason
1996-07-17 22:11Mark KolmarHear, Hear! I'd settle for getting the music into the systems of those who want it, but wo
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Hear, Hear! I'd settle for getting the music into the systems of those who want it, but would rather take popular culture along for the ride too. On the other hand, it's not worth much compromise to reach the unadventurous ears. How many artists make more on their art than one might in a "proper" job? I'd rather continue to do whatever the hell I want to musically. If someone doesn't get it for another 10 years, it's not my problem. --Mark On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, rephlex wrote:
quoted 2 lines Don't keep music underground.> Don't keep music underground. >
1996-07-16 10:59Sugatis & Co>Don't keep music underground. Yesss maasterr.......
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quoted 1 line Don't keep music underground.>Don't keep music underground.
Yesss maasterr.......
1996-07-16 17:38Pete Ashdownrephlex sent out 500 copies of: >Don't keep music underground. Care to explain your consis
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rephlex sent out 500 copies of:
quoted 1 line Don't keep music underground.>Don't keep music underground.
Care to explain your consistent policy of limited releases then?
1996-07-16 20:04Steven T Lammers> rephlex sent out 500 copies of: > >Don't keep music underground. > Care to explain your
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quoted 3 lines rephlex sent out 500 copies of:> rephlex sent out 500 copies of: > >Don't keep music underground. > Care to explain your consistent policy of limited releases then?
Sure! It does not matter how many releases the Aphex Twin puts out, whether it's 1, or 1 million. The key word here is "RELEASE". Something is no longer underground when it is "RELEASED". Understand now? What's YOUR definition of "underground", hmm? Anyone else want to challenge? Horsepower
1996-07-16 20:37Jon DrukmanAt 4:04 PM -0400 7/16/96, Steven T Lammers wrote: >It does not matter how many releases th
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At 4:04 PM -0400 7/16/96, Steven T Lammers wrote:
quoted 4 lines It does not matter how many releases the Aphex Twin puts out, whether it's 1,>It does not matter how many releases the Aphex Twin puts out, whether it's 1, >or 1 million. The key word here is "RELEASE". Something is no longer >underground when it is "RELEASED". Understand now? What's YOUR definition of >"underground", hmm?
i don't have all the answers, but i know bullshit when i smell it and your definition reeks to high heaven. if i put out 500 copies of a white label and sell it through Watts, that is not underground by your definition, right? well, then, what is it?
1996-07-17 09:54g3On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:38:00 -0600 (MDT), you wrote: >rephlex sent out 500 copies of: > >>
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On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:38:00 -0600 (MDT), you wrote:
quoted 5 lines rephlex sent out 500 copies of:>rephlex sent out 500 copies of: > >>Don't keep music underground. > >Care to explain your consistent policy of limited releases then?
Limited to the number of people who would buy 'em anyway. Mostly. (rewind that thread) g.
1996-07-17 14:17Steven T Lammers> >Care to explain your consistent policy of limited releases then? > Limited to the numbe
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quoted 3 lines Care to explain your consistent policy of limited releases then?> >Care to explain your consistent policy of limited releases then? > Limited to the number of people who would buy 'em anyway. > Mostly.
:)
quoted 2 lines (rewind that thread)> (rewind that thread) > g.
In the works, Greg... Steve
1996-07-17 16:42Kent WilliamsOn Wed, 17 Jul 1996, g3 wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:38:00 -0600 (MDT), you wrote: > >
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On Wed, 17 Jul 1996, g3 wrote:
quoted 10 lines On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:38:00 -0600 (MDT), you wrote:> On Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:38:00 -0600 (MDT), you wrote: > > >rephlex sent out 500 copies of: > > > >>Don't keep music underground. > > > >Care to explain your consistent policy of limited releases then? > > Limited to the number of people who would buy 'em anyway. >
I do remember Gramaphone in Chicago having copies of Hangable Autobulb months after it was released. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)
1996-09-25 12:28rephlexHere goes: Vulva "Birdwatch" Oct 7 Cat 035 X-asp "Terra ferma" Oct 21 Cat 028 Seefeel "CH-
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Here goes: Vulva "Birdwatch" Oct 7 Cat 035 X-asp "Terra ferma" Oct 21 Cat 028 Seefeel "CH-VOX" Nov 4 Cat 036 D'arcangelo 'EP' Nov 18 Cat 039 Global Goon 'Album' Nov 11 Cat 038 Brad Strider "Bradley's Robot" 2 Dec Cat 020 That'll take us up to new year ( I need December to plan our assault on 97 ) In case you forgot: LCT, Future Sound, Kinesthesia x 2, Gentle People, Bluff Limbo, Squarepusher x 2, Mike & Rich, Cylob x 2, Chimera, Leo Anibaldi and 25% of Mururoa already this year.... Can I have my medal now? GCHQ.
1996-09-25 13:46C.J. Mc CollumOn Wed, 25 Sep 1996, rephlex wrote: > Here goes: > > Vulva "Birdwatch" Oct 7 Cat 035 > X-a
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, rephlex wrote:
quoted 22 lines Here goes:> Here goes: > > Vulva "Birdwatch" Oct 7 Cat 035 > X-asp "Terra ferma" Oct 21 Cat 028 > Seefeel "CH-VOX" Nov 4 Cat 036 > D'arcangelo 'EP' Nov 18 Cat 039 > Global Goon 'Album' Nov 11 Cat 038 > Brad Strider "Bradley's Robot" 2 Dec Cat 020 > > That'll take us up to new year ( I need December to plan our assault on 97 ) > > In case you forgot: > > LCT, Future Sound, Kinesthesia x 2, Gentle People, Bluff Limbo, Squarepusher > x 2, Mike & Rich, Cylob x 2, Chimera, Leo Anibaldi and 25% of Mururoa > already this year.... > > Can I have my medal now? > > GCHQ. > >
Grant... You recieve the GOLD metal for Rephlex trickery, excellent collection of artist, and the best label I have come in contact with. Three cheers for Grant!!!
1996-09-26 06:38Mike OxlongOn Wed, 25 Sep 1996, C.J. Mc Collum wrote: > > > > Can I have my medal now? > > > > GCHQ.
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, C.J. Mc Collum wrote:
quoted 11 lines Can I have my medal now?> > > > Can I have my medal now? > > > > GCHQ. > > > > > Grant... You recieve the GOLD metal for Rephlex trickery, excellent > collection of artist, and the best label I have come in contact with. > > Three cheers for Grant!!! >
Much agreement on my part ... REPHLEX are truly are life altering organisation :] .: WD :.
1996-11-07 20:34William L SamuelsOn Wed, 25 Sep 1996, rephlex wrote: D'arcangelo 'EP' Nov 18 Cat 039 Global Goon 'Album' No
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, rephlex wrote: D'arcangelo 'EP' Nov 18 Cat 039 Global Goon 'Album' Nov 11 Cat 038 May I ask who these artist are? Are they new artists or alias for other artists? And when are they to be released? Merci B i l l S a m u e l s w l s @ U . A r i z o n a . E D U
1996-09-25 12:32rephlexNot forgetting Bochum Welt and dmx Krew :)
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Not forgetting Bochum Welt and dmx Krew :)
1996-09-25 13:51C.J. Mc CollumOn Wed, 25 Sep 1996, rephlex wrote: > Not forgetting Bochum Welt and dmx Krew :) > > Greet
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, rephlex wrote:
quoted 3 lines Not forgetting Bochum Welt and dmx Krew :)> Not forgetting Bochum Welt and dmx Krew :) > >
Greetings from Texas... Keep up the good work. Love that Bochum Welt and looking forward to DMX Crew!
1996-09-25 14:50Miles Eganrephlex wrote: > > Not forgetting Bochum Welt and dmx Krew :) Any Caustic Window on the ho
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rephlex wrote:
quoted 2 lines Not forgetting Bochum Welt and dmx Krew :)> > Not forgetting Bochum Welt and dmx Krew :)
Any Caustic Window on the horizon?