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1996-02-13 01:35.GMV500 (idm) DENVER IS AWFUL
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1996-02-13 02:24Dale Lawrence Re: (idm) DENVER IS AWFUL
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1996-02-13 01:35.GMV500To all you lucky IDM'ers who are lucky enough to see the Autechre/STC tour, Have fun! I do
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To all you lucky IDM'ers who are lucky enough to see the Autechre/STC tour, Have fun! I do not know why Denver is not on the tour. A few years ago, Autechre came to the area, why can't some promoter have the balls to do it again when Autechre is kicking some major ass! Denver wants to be the next Los Angeles. Where the whole scene is kissing ass to Dj's. The LA scene is all about DJs never about the artists, sure groups like Banco de Gaia have performed in LA, but the majority of people out there only care about which DJ is on the Flyer to next weekend's rave. At least, LA does have live artists perform. I'll them credit there, but DENVER? No way, we charge $20 at the door of a rave just because some jerk who flew out here from NY is putting a needle on a record? Boy, what a laborious task. Anybody, and I do say, Anybody, can DJ! Anyone want to differ I will win hands down, I don;t care who you are,I don't care if your name is Keoki (kooky), anybody can DJ. This is not to deny the importance of some DJ's. Some have helped push the music to areas unimmagineable. Example- Bruno Guez and Jason Bentley, both who are from LA.I fyou haven't heard anything on the Quango label, i suggest you do! There are numerous others, but I don't need to list them. Nevertheless, I still stand my ground that anyone can dj! If you are a serious IDM'er there isn't a strong scene for ya' in DENVER. Maybe one day we may have one, but by then I'll be gone (I am moving soon). Until promoters in Denver get the balls to get sesnsational artists like Autechre out here, we won't have a strong IDM scene and that is just unfortunate for music that is just sooooo fucking (sorry) damn good! Bitter, GIL on now: In order to Dance #4 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ NAME:Gil aka GMV500 E-MAIL: videla@colorado.edu WEB PAGE: yeah, right! check out my friends- http://ares.csd.net/~albumsup - http://www.uea.ac.uk/~u9506276 PHILOSOPHY: AMBIENT+BREAKDANCE= IDM FINAL WORDS: MORE BEER! \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\\/\/\/\\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
1996-02-13 01:53crazy joladenver is awful, portland is awful, everywhere is awful, but what are you going to do abou
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denver is awful, portland is awful, everywhere is awful, but what are you going to do about it? there is no promised land of IDM, you have to create your own. in my experience, the more people in a city, the percentage of the cool people/dumb people stays the same, there's just more of them. many people think dj's are sycophantic, but many more see the value in them. i know plenty of dj's i would rather watch than see some bands/artists/performers play. vice versa. your rabid attitude will not play too well here on IDM, but something tells me you are more scream than substance anyway, so it doesn't really matter. ______________________________________________________________________________ Cameron psu00110@odin.cc.pdx.edu Blacksmith on the anvil in your ear Electronica for the Jaded and Discerning ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, .GMV500 wrote:
quoted 23 lines Have fun! I do not know why Denver is not on the tour. A few years ago,> Have fun! I do not know why Denver is not on the tour. A few years ago, > Autechre came to the area, why can't some promoter have the balls to do > it again when Autechre is kicking some major ass! Denver wants to be the > next Los Angeles. Where the whole scene is kissing ass to Dj's. The LA > scene is all about DJs never about the artists, sure groups like Banco > de Gaia have performed in LA, but the majority of people out there only > care about which DJ is on the Flyer to next weekend's rave. > > At least, LA does have live artists perform. I'll them credit there, but > DENVER? No way, we charge $20 at the door of a rave just because some > jerk who flew out here from NY is putting a needle on a record? Boy, what > a laborious task. Anybody, and I do say, Anybody, can DJ! Anyone want to > differ I will win hands down, I don;t care who you are,I don't care if > your name is Keoki (kooky), anybody can DJ. This is not to deny the > importance of some DJ's. Some have helped push the music to areas > unimmagineable. Example- Bruno Guez and Jason Bentley, both who are from > LA.I fyou haven't heard anything on the Quango label, i suggest you do! > There are numerous others, but I don't need to list them. Nevertheless, I > still stand my ground that anyone can dj! > > Bitter, > > GIL
1996-02-13 02:23ghhorne@DELTA.IS.TCU.EDU>To all you lucky IDM'ers who are lucky enough to see the Autechre/STC tour, I've asked be
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quoted 1 line To all you lucky IDM'ers who are lucky enough to see the Autechre/STC tour,>To all you lucky IDM'ers who are lucky enough to see the Autechre/STC tour,
I've asked before, but I'll ask again; where is Autechre playing in the states? Anywhere near Dallas/Ft. Worth? What about New Orleans? Thanks in advance. .grant .http://delta.is.tcu.edu/~ghhorne/ .wax.the.nip
1996-02-13 04:43greg strockbinedear bitter in denver, "rocky mountain high Colorado....."
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dear bitter in denver, "rocky mountain high Colorado....."
1996-02-13 04:50.GMV500On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, greg strockbine wrote: > dear bitter in denver, > > "rocky mountain h
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On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, greg strockbine wrote:
quoted 5 lines dear bitter in denver,> dear bitter in denver, > > "rocky mountain high > Colorado....." >
Funny! what is your opinion on my first post. Some people seem fused by what I said, I only want what is right. I want people to give credit where credit is due!
1996-02-13 02:24Dale LawrenceAt 6:35 PM 2/12/96 -0700, .GMV500 wrote: >At least, LA does have live artists perform. I'l
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At 6:35 PM 2/12/96 -0700, .GMV500 wrote:
quoted 11 lines At least, LA does have live artists perform. I'll them credit there, but>At least, LA does have live artists perform. I'll them credit there, but >DENVER? No way, we charge $20 at the door of a rave just because some >jerk who flew out here from NY is putting a needle on a record? Boy, what >a laborious task. Anybody, and I do say, Anybody, can DJ! Anyone want to >differ I will win hands down, I don;t care who you are,I don't care if >your name is Keoki (kooky), anybody can DJ. This is not to deny the >importance of some DJ's. Some have helped push the music to areas >unimmagineable. Example- Bruno Guez and Jason Bentley, both who are from >LA.I fyou haven't heard anything on the Quango label, i suggest you do! >There are numerous others, but I don't need to list them. Nevertheless, I >still stand my ground that anyone can dj!
Yes, anybody can DJ. I can DJ. But not everyone can DJ well. There are a lot of DJ's out there who just suck. I guess DJ's out in Denver only have access to slammin' tracks if they all satisfy you. A quality world class DJ is hard to find. If you've ever really heard a world class set that kept you livin' on the dance floor all night then maybe you would realize that there is definitely an art to DJing. To date there is no-one that keeps me happier than my friend Bileebob when he spins. He keeps me on the floor so long I have to pay rent! He is a master and I could never even hope to slap down tracks the way he does. I watched him develop and I know it is so much more than just puttin' a needle on a record. Even in Detroit I have to wait through a lot of bullshit before I get to quality set that can take 10 lbs. right off me! There are a lot of fax's out there but not many of the real thing. I'd just love to have you at a party here in Detroit and see who *you* can hold hostage to the rhythm. Dale ____________________________________________ Dale Lawrence.Theorem.Nude Magazine.Detroit. minimalize, fortify, and never stop digging. ____________________________________________ NudeMag is at--www.sigma6.com/nude/nude.html
1996-02-13 08:36Dale LawrenceI apologize for the length of this post but I remembered this post eluna made to the 313 l
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I apologize for the length of this post but I remembered this post eluna made to the 313 list last week and thought it could help out our little DJ discussion. peace Dale ______________________________________ At 10:25 AM 2/4/96 -0500, eluna wrote:
quoted 105 lines it's less about detroit vs. euro altho it seems to be generally true that>it's less about detroit vs. euro altho it seems to be generally true that >detroit (and american) djs do more tricks. this is definitley not always >true, but it's true enough that there's probably some reasons worth >looking into. but what makes a good dj? > >dunno about UR 33, i don't have that in front of me so i cant remember >which one that is, but i will say that judging dj skill must be prefaced >by a discussion about the following issues before any kind of real >assessment can be made (this also glosses over the issue of musical taste): > >- tricks: > - skill in excecution > - ambition > - subtlety > - appropriateness > >- track selection: > - appropriateness of mix > - versatility > >- building style: > - ability to build > - length of mixes > >- crowd-interaction: > - ability to ride the crowd > - playing crowd-pleasing records (or crowd-annoying if that's the point) > >- "star" quality > >let me explain further and give examples of most of the above. > >- tricks. >as far as skill in excecution, jeff mills is one of the best i've >seen. he is super-tight and can excecute some amazing feats with nary a >glitch. however, claude young wins in the ambition department. he is >not always appropiate, tho; sometimes it's in the wrong environment and >sometimes it doesn't work at all, so that's something else to consider. >titonton also gets props for being overly-ambitious; even if it doesn't >always work he gets props from me for trying. but as far as subtlety of >tricks, i'd say bileebob wins there. he does do a LOT of tricks, but >they are so little and unobtrusive, and so TIGHT, that they become a >seamless part of his sets. > >- track selection. >sometimes a dj will mix two records that simply do not work, so a >sensitivity is necessary to sculpt a real set out of music. one example >of a great selector is mike huckaby. he doesnt do hardly any tricks but >he just plays slammin record after slammin record, no flash at all. >actually, dave angel wins in the no-frills dj department; his skill is in >just playing amazing music with as little "show" as possible. another >example is juan atkins. his mixes are usually sloppy as hell but his >selecion is so good (classics mixed with new stuff), that no one could >ever accuse juan of being a "bad" dj. he plays to educate, not to show off. >versatility must also be considered. if a dj can take you from >house, to traxx, to hardtraxx, to jungle, to trip hop (like my own sets >try in vain to do ;), then you have a damn good dj on your hands. > >- building style. >sometimes djs are good at playing long-ass sets. if they can pull it off >and still sound good then that's a good sign. i have yet to hear a great >marathon dj, as i was unimpressed by laurent garnier (i was bored after >an hour), and have yet to hear a good long set by richie (i usually like >his shorter sets better) but i'm sure there's someone out there. i think >derrick may comes closest. now, as far as length of mixes go, it's >another important consideration. if a dj has everything else going for >them but just cant keep a mix going, that's a severe limitation. i >admire a dj that can keep a record on for like 10 minutes. winner for me >in that category would be paul johnson who doesnt even look at the tables >(he must have his bpm's written down ;) or dave hollands who (it is >rumored) played a plastikman song on one table, kept it going, and mixed >3 songs in and out of it for a nice 20-minute plastikman megamix. > >- crowd interaction: >some djs may be great but don't even look at the crowd at all. some are >exhibitionists who are just getting off at being stared at. but if you >take over after someone who's begun building a wave for you and you can't >keep it going, you suck. paris and bileebob do a great job of taking >the crowd on a trip, and their genuine love for the music and each other >really rubs off on crowds. shake is good at interacting with the crown >altho he plays it off real cool. he pulls out a lot of old shit to make >people happy (not that he's a sellout!). best i've seen at really >getting the crowd into it is probably boris or gene farris from >chicago..these guys jump around like maniacs and it's fun as hell. >then there's the dadaist impulse to annoy the crowd, exemplified by >aphex twin's non-spinning and anyone who plays gabber. ;) > >- "star" quality. >derrick may's ego was sooo big when i saw him in october, that it >ballooned up and swallowed the entire crowd. now THAT was special. >infortunately it can work to your detriment, like the time keoki would >not fly to columbus because his plane ticket was not first class. what a >fuckin ninny. also, there's the "dj as an important historical figure" >issue, people like afrika bambaataa who, altho he plays reggae now, you >can't HELP but respect (juan also has this quality); they can't do no >wrong if you know what i mean... > >i'm not sure this is so list-appropriate, but this "dj style" thing is >something i've been thinking about for a while and just thought i'd begin >to work out. there's probably a lot of other shit i could say but i'll >leave it unfinished for now. > >thanks for reading, anyone else got any ideas? >++ >e d
____________________________________________ Dale Lawrence.Theorem.Nude Magazine.Detroit. minimalize, fortify, and never stop digging. ____________________________________________ NudeMag is at--www.sigma6.com/nude/nude.html
1996-02-14 00:08Derek Jordan(to repeat the words of Alan Parry...) "Utter Bullocks"!!!!!! Do what makes you happy, and
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(to repeat the words of Alan Parry...) "Utter Bullocks"!!!!!! Do what makes you happy, and get really good at it...There is a place for you! No matter where you're from! Denver, Detroit, Seatlle, or whereever! If you conform to the info mentioned below, you're only cheating yourself. Be uncompromising, stay true to YOUR roots, not what others believe is "a good DJ"! Derek
quoted 24 lines looking into. but what makes a good dj?> >looking into. but what makes a good dj? > > > >- tricks: > > - skill in excecution > > - ambition > > - subtlety > > - appropriateness > > > >- track selection: > > - appropriateness of mix > > - versatility > > > >- building style: > > - ability to build > > - length of mixes > > > >- crowd-interaction: > > - ability to ride the crowd > > - playing crowd-pleasing records (or crowd-annoying if that's the point) > > > >- "star" quality > > > >let me explain further and give examples of most of the above. > >
No need. Thank You! Derek