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Joe Rice mentions an ambient mix of The Calling by APL... This is out now on a domestic comp called ONE A.D. which is pretty nifty. It's on Waveform Records (who?) out of Arizona. They licensed a whole bunch of nice stuff from the Ambient Dub compilations, and some other stuff as well (Sandoz). Looks like it's going to be a label to watch. /jon

quoted 10 lines Joe Rice mentions an ambient mix of The Calling by APL...

> > Joe Rice mentions an ambient mix of The Calling by APL... > This is out now on a domestic comp called ONE A.D. which is pretty > nifty. It's on Waveform Records (who?) out of Arizona. They licensed > a whole bunch of nice stuff from the Ambient Dub compilations, and some > other stuff as well (Sandoz). > > Looks like it's going to be a label to watch. > > /jon

Hmm, well I went to BIRTH in Dallas and the act for the night was some boy (he was pretty young...around 18) called Waveform. There were some older folks (guy & girl) behind the tiny stage handling all mixing & effects... it was all like brand new equipment too, nice&clean. His music was EXCELLENT! Really kicking trance! I had stepped out for a bit, and came back in the middle of his gig and was in awe... The stage was so small, though, and the crowd so packed, that there was a couple who were trying to get around and actually walked behind the platform ("stage"), up, and across, to the front! The kid playing keyboard (he had an Obherheim I think...and something else) just kinda looked at them!! The couple was just oblivious... Anyway, it was NICE trance, and I wonder if he could be in Arizona with a label too...? -djkc

Winnipeg, MB Canada Reply-To: Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca Subject: Re Art of Old IDM To: idm@hyperreal.com art of noise have been enuff of a influence for that remix/tribute album a few years ago quite like the one for YMO, Jean Michel Jarre ,etc.... who else will the IDM crowd remix as tribute?.....sex pistols?..The clash?...Elvis?:-)

quoted 12 lines Winnipeg, MB

> Winnipeg, MB > Canada > Reply-To: Ian_McCausland@mit.bison.mb.ca > Subject: Re Art of Old IDM > To: idm@hyperreal.com > > art of noise have been enuff of a influence for that remix/tribute album a > few years ago > quite like the one for YMO, Jean Michel Jarre ,etc.... > who else will the IDM crowd remix as tribute?.....sex pistols?..The > clash?...Elvis?:-) >

Cosmic Baby told me he plans to meet Vangelis and do a reworking of the Bladerunner soundtrack... Don't forget the current fascination with Killing Joke. :) Hug Your Waistline to the Bassline............................................ Tamara Palmer * trance@netcom.com * izzyzi5@mvs.oac.ucla.edu * .........................................................Women Respond to Bass

Tamara Palmer wrote:

quoted 1 line Don't forget the current fascination with Killing Joke. :)

> Don't forget the current fascination with Killing Joke. :)

That reminds me -- is any of Killing Joke's other stuff as good as "Pandemonium in Dub"? I remember an IDM-er rated it as the most desirable of 3 recent releases including plain-ol' "Pandemonium" and maybe (?) "Millennium". I also remember that Metallica covered one of their older songs, so I'll make sure to stick with newer material :) -- Chris

quoted 6 lines Tamara Palmer wrote:

>Tamara Palmer wrote: >> Don't forget the current fascination with Killing Joke. :) > >That reminds me -- is any of Killing Joke's other stuff as good as "Pandemonium >in Dub"? I remember an IDM-er rated it as the most desirable of 3 recent >releases including plain-ol' "Pandemonium" and maybe (?) "Millennium".

That was me. None of the other stuff is IDM-oriented. Stick with "... In Dub" if that's what you're interested in. Reports I've seen in other areas of Cyberspace seem to indicate that the album is pretty much "traditional" Killing Joke territory; i.e., the Youth mixes that bring in the Dub/Techno elements are all confined to the 12"/CDS singles. *Sigh*

quoted 2 lines I also remember that Metallica covered one of their older songs, so I'll make

>I also remember that Metallica covered one of their older songs, so I'll make >sure to stick with newer material :)

Well, that more-or-less takes it outside the realm of IDM as we now define the term, but as far as I'm concerned every KJ album save for "Brighter Than A Thousand Suns" and "Outside The Gate" is absolutely essential. Since Tamara's response above was in response to Ian's metaphysical question

quoted 2 lines Who else will the IDM crowd remix as tribute? ... Sex Pistols? ... The Clash?

> Who else will the IDM crowd remix as tribute? ... Sex Pistols? ... The Clash? > ... Elvis? :-)

The Sex Pistols reference is nearly close to home, because John Lydon's best pal during the Pistols era was Jah Wobble, later in PiL of course. And the track that most blew my socks off last weekend at Joe Rice's excellent forest rave here in L.A. - courtesy of Tamara (thanks Tam! (-: ) - was the Kris Needs 15 minute B-side remix of one of Wobble's most recent singles (what was that, Tam - "Getting Closer to God" or somesuch ... ?). A tour-de-force that spans Meat Beat-esque hardcore low-end funky rhythms all the way to a brain-bleeding Acid workout (it goes so far across the spectrum that everyone was convinced she'd played 2 different tracks!), it had plenty of I and more than enough D to suit me. Which leads me to my last comment; if you think the "D" has died in "IDM", maybe it's time to expand your definition of "IDM". "People who have appeared on AI 1 or AI 2, and any inbred bastard offspring thereof" is getting to be a wee bit limiting if you ask me ... - Greg

Greg Earle writes:

quoted 11 lines The Sex Pistols reference is nearly close to home, because John Lydon's best

> > The Sex Pistols reference is nearly close to home, because John Lydon's best > pal during the Pistols era was Jah Wobble, later in PiL of course. And the > track that most blew my socks off last weekend at Joe Rice's excellent forest > rave here in L.A. - courtesy of Tamara (thanks Tam! (-: ) - was the Kris Needs > 15 minute B-side remix of one of Wobble's most recent singles (what was that, > Tam - "Getting Closer to God" or somesuch ... ?). A tour-de-force that spans > Meat Beat-esque hardcore low-end funky rhythms all the way to a brain-bleeding > Acid workout (it goes so far across the spectrum that everyone was convinced > she'd played 2 different tracks!), it had plenty of I and more than enough D to > suit me.

It's the Secret Knowledge to Hell and Back Mix of Becoming More Like God on Island UK. Nothing like the original if you know it. Fucking incredible track! Great for messing up peoples minds, altered or sober. :) Hug Your Waistline to the Bassline............................................ Tamara Palmer * trance@netcom.com * izzyzi5@mvs.oac.ucla.edu * .........................................................Women Respond to Bass

who ambient

quoted 1 line who ambient

> who ambient

That should have been addressed to majordomo, sorry folks. Sami

On Mon, 26 Sep 1994, Sami Khoury wrote:

quoted 6 lines who ambient

> > > > who ambient > >

I ambient!

just wondering folks here in Vancouver will ever get to watch those kewl award shows- International Dance Awards or the Mercury Awards :( _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ surfing on sine wave

On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Purple Haze wrote:

quoted 2 lines just wondering folks here in Vancouver will ever get to watch those kewl

> just wondering folks here in Vancouver will ever get to watch those kewl > award shows- International Dance Awards or the Mercury Awards :(

So, there are awards shows not aimed strictly at gullible lemmings? (GULLIBLE ones, even...) =B) OnNow: Some More Crime - still groovin... ["Sex is not right."]

quoted 2 lines Bluff Limbo has had it's full release, weeks ago, even available from

>Bluff Limbo has had it's full release, weeks ago, even available from >Virgin Megastore and HMV!!

what kind of interesting artwork / notes are present. . .and how about those tracknames! i cant imagine megastores selling black labels with just a sticker on the cover. but, now that i think of it, HMV was selling those bubble wrapped bubble three cd's. Teep

The only reason to buy an EQ unit is if your system is crap or you want to add unwanted noise to the sound. Buy a decent system in the first place. EQ unit = crap sound.

On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, D. J. Ellis wrote:

quoted 3 lines The only reason to buy an EQ unit is if your system is crap or you want

> The only reason to buy an EQ unit is if your system is crap or you want > to add unwanted noise to the sound. Buy a decent system in the first place. > EQ unit = crap sound.

Actually a passive EQ will not add any noise. If you really know what EQ's are for, you won't try and bost bass with 'em. Get one with a pink noise generator and set the system for the acoustics of the room. This is the "proper" usage of an EQ. -robert _____________________________________________________________ "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches *AudioElectronic* are on, then both sawtooth and pulse waves sonic explorers are selected. This combination creates an extremely fat sound." OB-8 owners manual

On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, D. J. Ellis wrote:

quoted 4 lines The only reason to buy an EQ unit is if your system is crap or you want

> The only reason to buy an EQ unit is if your system is crap or you want > to add unwanted noise to the sound. Buy a decent system in the first place. > EQ unit = crap sound. >

Let me re-eword that for ya: "The only reason YOU would buy an EQ unit..." I think personally that it is a matter of individual/situational taste/needs as to whether an EQ unit is appropriate... -Thad

Just wondering-- Does recent Christian Vogel stuff qualify as IDM?

On Thu, 22 Dec 1994 bfeldman@cae.wisc.edu wrote:

quoted 2 lines Just wondering--

> Just wondering-- > Does recent Christian Vogel stuff qualify as IDM?

I would say so. His two new ones, the _Beginning To Understand_ LP and the _We Equate Machines With Funkiness_ EP, both groove with sparse electro rhythms. They can be a bit noisy, but IMHO they're definitely innovative enough to be classified as IDM. - Matthew

issue #75 of Street Sound magazine lists their choice of top 50 techno albums, here's the first 10: 1. 808 State - 90 (1989) 2. A Guy Called Gerald - Automannik (1990) 3. Air Liquide - Nephology (1994) 4. Amorphous Androgynous - Tales of Ephidrina (1993) 5. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works (85-92) (1992) 6. B12 - Electro Soma (1993) 7. Baby Ford - Fordtrax (1988) 8. Black Dog Productions - Bytes (1993) 9. Cabaret Voltaire - Micro-Phonies (1984) 10. CJ Bolland - the 4th Sign (1993) Also Mixmag has some album reviews: 1. FSOL's ISDN - album of the month, gets their top rating of 10, they love it. 2. Headz on Mo'wax - also rated 10. 3. Irresistible Force by Mixmaster Morris - gets a 6, "if this sounds hippyish, its because that's what Morris is - an old hippy". 4. Sabres of Paradise's Haunted Dancehall gets a 7, "maybe next album they'll be as great as some people think they are". 5. Pentatonik's Anthology gets a 7.

quoted 4 lines issue #75 of Street Sound magazine lists their choice of top 50 techno

> > issue #75 of Street Sound magazine lists their choice of top 50 techno > albums, here's the first 10: > 1. 808 State - 90 (1989)

Interesting. I love that album but I certainly wouldn't call it the #1 techno album of all time. [...]

quoted 1 line 9. Cabaret Voltaire - Micro-Phonies (1984)

> 9. Cabaret Voltaire - Micro-Phonies (1984)

This choice is truly bizarre. It's a great album (especially the cd with the extra mix of "Sensoria") but #9 of all time? No way. Out of curiosity, did "Code" make the list too? I'd say that album is more or less the equivalent of "Twitch" by Ministry, and if the reviewers rated it on a "techno" list, I'd say it explains some of their other choices. -H-

On Wed, 28 Dec 1994, Howard Berkey wrote:

quoted 10 lines albums, here's the first 10:

> > albums, here's the first 10: > > 1. 808 State - 90 (1989) > > Interesting. I love that album but I certainly wouldn't call it the > #1 techno album of all time. > > > 9. Cabaret Voltaire - Micro-Phonies (1984) > > This choice is truly bizarre. It's a great album (especially the cd > with the extra mix of "Sensoria") but #9 of all time? No way.

Er, a quick look at the list indicates clearly that the choices are in alphabetical order, not "greatness," unless there's a serious coincidence that I'm overlooking. I think they picked the fifty best and presented them A-Z. - Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. weitzman@individual.com

quoted 6 lines Er, a quick look at the list indicates clearly that the choices are in

> > Er, a quick look at the list indicates clearly that the choices are in > alphabetical order, not "greatness," unless there's a serious coincidence > that I'm overlooking. I think they picked the fifty best and presented > them A-Z. >

Duh. Sorry. I guess I was conditioned by the evil media to view top ten lists as being in order of greatness :-) -H-

From the cyberdesk of: Howard Berkey

quoted 12 lines issue #75 of Street Sound magazine lists their choice of top 50 techno

> > issue #75 of Street Sound magazine lists their choice of top 50 techno > > albums, here's the first 10: > [...] > > 9. Cabaret Voltaire - Micro-Phonies (1984) > > This choice is truly bizarre. It's a great album (especially the cd > with the extra mix of "Sensoria") but #9 of all time? No way. > > Out of curiosity, did "Code" make the list too? I'd say that album is > more or less the equivalent of "Twitch" by Ministry, and if the > reviewers rated it on a "techno" list, I'd say it explains some of > their other choices.

You need to go back and listen to "Always an Angel" (or whatever it is actually called) again on _Twitch_. To not consider that a stellar example of techno is to advertise ignorance. I think you discount Ministry because of their later (mis)direction into noise/grunge. If one looks at the pre- techno version of Ministry, one finds pure 70's disco roots. I'm not defending Ministry, nor proposing I like all of what they've produced. However, I don't find it all that unreasonable that _Twitch_ would show up on a "techno" list, especially since Ministry is so much more well known to the masses (washed and unwashed) than say Jam & Spoon or FSOL (looking at albums sold). Also, I don't find it all that unusual that Micro-Phonies appears on the list, either. What else from 1984 would you rank deserving of a fairly high placement on an "all-time" list? BTW, how did Art Of Noise fare on the list? How does the list shake out in terms of "trendiness" vs. "mainstays". I wonder how much of the "all time" list didn't exist before 3 years ago (1990). Separates the visionaries from the "MTV buzz clip" artists, I think. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael King mike%delta1@rex.cs.tulane.edu Delta Systems New Orleans, LA 70002-4938 Voice: 504.837.9835 Fax: 504.837.9838 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can always tell a pioneer by the arrows in their back ------------------------------------------------------------------------

quoted 4 lines You need to go back and listen to "Always an Angel" (or whatever it is

> > You need to go back and listen to "Always an Angel" (or whatever it is > actually called) again on _Twitch_. To not consider that a stellar example > of techno is to advertise ignorance.

I guess I'm ignorant; While "The Angel" is a great song, I don't know if I'd consider it a stellar example of "techno". It, "Crash and Burn", the 12" of "Over the Shoulder", and other songs off that album got a lot of play at underage dance clubs I went to in '84 (along with CV) but I guess I've always thought of them on the other side of the murky distinction between techno and industrial dance music.

quoted 2 lines I think you discount Ministry because

> I think you discount Ministry because > of their later (mis)direction into noise/grunge.

When did I discount Ministry? I like ministry a hell of a lot more than, say, almost all ambient music. I merely said that the inclusion of Twitch or an album like Code would explain some of their other choices. It would be nearly impossible for me to pick out the "Best 50" techno albums, and I'm interested in the slant they took in looking at albums. Don't get me wrong, Twitch is one of my favorite albums of all time.

quoted 3 lines However, I don't find it all that unreasonable that _Twitch_ would show up

> However, I don't find it all that unreasonable that _Twitch_ would show up > on a "techno" list, especially since Ministry is so much more well known > to the masses (washed and unwashed) than say Jam & Spoon or FSOL (looking

Definantly true.

quoted 3 lines at albums sold). Also, I don't find it all that unusual that Micro-Phonies

> at albums sold). Also, I don't find it all that unusual that Micro-Phonies > appears on the list, either. What else from 1984 would you rank deserving of > a fairly high placement on an "all-time" list?

Interesting question. New Order's "Power, Corruption and Lies" came out around then... for a long time Blue Monday was the best selling 12" single in the world. It definantly changed dance music. (I believe Blue Monday came out on single in '83 though). Also, remember I was surprised that Micro-Phonies was #9. Of course the order was meaningless, so it isn't nearly as large a surprise.

quoted 5 lines BTW, how did Art Of Noise fare on the list? How does the list shake out in

> > BTW, how did Art Of Noise fare on the list? How does the list shake out in > terms of "trendiness" vs. "mainstays". I wonder how much of the "all time" > list didn't exist before 3 years ago (1990). Separates the visionaries from > the "MTV buzz clip" artists, I think.

True. I would hope Art of Noise would be fairly high on the list. And if Kraftwerk isn't represented the list is imho bogus :-) (and... DEVO?) -H-

quoted 12 lines You need to go back and listen to "Always an Angel" (or whatever it is

> > > > > You need to go back and listen to "Always an Angel" (or whatever it is > > actually called) again on _Twitch_. To not consider that a stellar example > > of techno is to advertise ignorance. > > I guess I'm ignorant; While "The Angel" is a great song, I don't know > if I'd consider it a stellar example of "techno". It, "Crash and Burn", > the 12" of "Over the Shoulder", and other songs off that album got a > lot of play at underage dance clubs I went to in '84 (along with CV) > but I guess I've always thought of them on the other side of the murky > distinction between techno and industrial dance music.

Something didn't sound quite right here so I checked... Twitch came out in '85 (it's singles in '84 and '85) so shift the dance club bit by a year. (Same dance clubs,only in '84 the ministry was likely more "Revenge" than "The Angel"... at least 'til later in the year :-) Later, -H-

From the cyberdesk of: Howard Berkey

quoted 3 lines You need to go back and listen to "Always an Angel" (or whatever it is

>> You need to go back and listen to "Always an Angel" (or whatever it is >> actually called) again on _Twitch_. To not consider that a stellar example >> of techno is to advertise ignorance.

quoted 2 lines I guess I'm ignorant; While "The Angel" is a great song, I don't know

> I guess I'm ignorant; While "The Angel" is a great song, I don't know > if I'd consider it a stellar example of "techno".

I confess. I've got a special remix of this track done by a friend (since there never was a 12" (as far as I know), and he made his own. Simply awesome just a pumpin' out of the 4 901s + Klipsh + bass cabinet + his "special" EQ. I don't know exactly what he did on the EQ, but for some reason all minor chords sounded *real* yummy and natural instinct forced a moovin' to the groovin'. Compounded with the 6+ hour sets he ran 4 nights a week (Thur-Sun 10-4), we used to hear some unbelievable stuff on a regular basis. Plus, being in New Orleans, we got the special treat of the 14+hour (noon-2am) blowouts for Holloween, New Years, and MardiGras. I'm sure they were physical hell, but he had a plaque on the back wall of the booth of a picture of a black leather jacket he had made and written in studs was: Music is my master

quoted 1 line It, "Crash and Burn", the 12" of "Over the Shoulder",

> It, "Crash and Burn", the 12" of "Over the Shoulder",

I agree with your assesment of the 12" of "Over the Shoulder". Not too bad mixed with "Exorcise this Wasteland" by Single Gun Theory and some of the promo 12" of "Bring on the Dancing Horses" by Echo & The Bunnymen. Stunning triple-play.

quoted 1 line ... underage dance clubs I went to in '84 ...

> ... underage dance clubs I went to in '84 ...

Aha, little one, your youth rears its head. I was 20 way back then....ahhh, wasted youth. I'm just glad most of my friends from that era are still alive, yet saddened by the fact that there are indeed fewer of them to reminisce with.

quoted 2 lines but I guess I've always thought of them on the other side of the murky

> but I guess I've always thought of them on the other side of the murky > distinction between techno and industrial dance music.

Hmmm. Skinny Puppy, SA42, Front 242, CV, etc. fall into the industrial side? I guess the opposite of the "murky side" was what came to be known as "electro"? Debbie Deb et al.? Mantronik "Who is it"? And I think House, Acid, and Acid House didn't get going until '88 or so. BTW, what exactly is "Electro"? I hear it bandied about, but nobody will say what the prime examples of this style are. That way, if I have them in my collection, I have a reference point in some of these reviews that are coming out and refer to being "in the old-school electro" style.

quoted 3 lines I think you discount Ministry because of their later (mis)direction into

>> I think you discount Ministry because of their later (mis)direction into >> noise/grunge. > When did I discount Ministry?

Well, you did say you were surprised to see them on a techno list...... [no flame intended]

quoted 1 line I like ministry a hell of a lot more than, say, almost all ambient music.

> I like ministry a hell of a lot more than, say, almost all ambient music.

Ditto. However, I listen to a hell of a lot more ambient now than I ever listened to Ministry.

quoted 1 line Don't get me wrong, Twitch is one of my favorite albums of all time.

> Don't get me wrong, Twitch is one of my favorite albums of all time.

OK, was there ever a 12" or remix of "The Angel" (even Razormaid, etc)? I've just been wondering about this/looking for years.

quoted 6 lines What else from 1984 would you rank deserving of a fairly high placement

>> What else from 1984 would you rank deserving of a fairly high placement >> on an "all-time" list? > Interesting question. New Order's "Power, Corruption and Lies" came > out around then... for a long time Blue Monday was the best selling > 12" single in the world. It definantly changed dance music. (I > believe Blue Monday came out on single in '83 though).

Absolutely. Section 25, anyone? A ton of Depeche Mode stuff, I'm sure came out in '84. "Satellite" and "Communicate" by Microchip League.

quoted 2 lines Also, remember I was surprised that Micro-Phonies was #9. Of course

> Also, remember I was surprised that Micro-Phonies was #9. Of course > the order was meaningless, so it isn't nearly as large a surprise.

Not as surprised as I was when I read that post *after* I'd mailed my response... I really should look for that reference book again - you know the one - the Journal of Duh. I guess I missed that issue.

quoted 6 lines BTW, how did Art Of Noise fare on the list? How does the list shake out in

>> BTW, how did Art Of Noise fare on the list? How does the list shake out in >> terms of "trendiness" vs. "mainstays". I wonder how much of the "all time" >> list didn't exist before 3 years ago (1990). Separates the visionaries from >> the "MTV buzz clip" artists, I think. > True. I would hope Art of Noise would be fairly high on the list. > And if Kraftwerk isn't represented the list is imho bogus :-)

Oh, man. Mega-ditto to that.

quoted 1 line (and... DEVO?)

> (and... DEVO?)

You are spot on. I'm sure Gary Numan fits in there somewhere too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael King mike%delta1@rex.cs.tulane.edu Delta Systems New Orleans, LA 70002-4938 Voice: 504.837.9835 Fax: 504.837.9838 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can always tell a pioneer by the arrows in their back ------------------------------------------------------------------------

MKing>> but he had a plaque on the back wall of the booth of a picture MKing>> of a black leather jacket he had made and written in studs MKing>> was: MKing>> Music MKing>> is my MKing>> master is that where that came from, back in the days of punk, late 70's, the New York Rocker published that photo, its been part of my memory banks ever since, I even use that phrase myself. Music consumerism is my worst addiction...

quoted 5 lines Don't get me wrong, Twitch is one of my favorite albums of all time.

> > > Don't get me wrong, Twitch is one of my favorite albums of all time. > OK, was there ever a 12" or remix of "The Angel" (even Razormaid, etc)? > I've just been wondering about this/looking for years. >

Yes, it came out before the album with "Everyday is Halloween" on the b side, if I remember. Haven't had it out in a long time (I have the mixes on CD now). Actually I think Razormaid had a mix too but I don't know which one it would be on. The original 12" came out either on Sire or Wax Trax (I can't remember).

quoted 4 lines Absolutely. Section 25, anyone? A ton of Depeche Mode stuff, I'm sure came

> > Absolutely. Section 25, anyone? A ton of Depeche Mode stuff, I'm sure came > out in '84. "Satellite" and "Communicate" by Microchip League. >

"New York, New York" :-) Later, -H-

quoted 11 lines Don't get me wrong, Twitch is one of my favorite albums of all time.

> > > > > Don't get me wrong, Twitch is one of my favorite albums of all time. > > OK, was there ever a 12" or remix of "The Angel" (even Razormaid, etc)? > > I've just been wondering about this/looking for years. > > > > Yes, it came out before the album with "Everyday is Halloween" on the > b side, if I remember. Haven't had it out in a long time (I have the > mixes on CD now). Actually I think Razormaid had a mix too but I > don't know which one it would be on. The original 12" came out > either on Sire or Wax Trax (I can't remember).

Gads, I was dwelling in the cave of "duh" again. That single was "All day" b/w "Everyday...". Sorry. ObIDM: on now... "roy castle" , mu-ziq

On Fri, 30 Dec 1994, Michael King wrote: Re Ministry's "The Angel" -- Contains the line "no more fatal deaths" -- words to live by...

quoted 4 lines BTW, what exactly is "Electro"? I hear it bandied about, but nobody will say

> BTW, what exactly is "Electro"? I hear it bandied about, but nobody will say > what the prime examples of this style are. That way, if I have them in my > collection, I have a reference point in some of these reviews that are > coming out and refer to being "in the old-school electro" style.

Um, how about: Old skool -- "Planet Rock" - Afrika Bambatta "Clear" - Cybotron "Jam On It" - Newcleus "Egyptian Lover" - I forget :) (and many more -- those are just a few that might have scraped the bottom edge of the charts back in the day...) New school -- A lot of stuff coming out these days has elements of the sound -- 808 kickdrums mixed _way_ out front, stuttering "artificial" sounding snares, occasional vocodered vocals, stark digital chords instead of analogue pads: Drexciya is probably the best current example, but all sorts of artists are incorporating bits and pieces of the aesthetic: UR, (occasionally) Aphex Twin, etc. I think a lot of the current interest in electro is due to the fact that it's the very antithesis of a lot of the very lush, megaproduced records that have been so plentiful over the last couple of years. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com freeke robot luv

On Tue, 3 Jan 1995, Dave Walker wrote:

quoted 3 lines Old skool --

> Old skool -- > > "Planet Rock" - Afrika Bambatta

Sometime this week I heard "World Destruction" by Time Zone. Don't really know if that qualifies as ol' skool, but what a great song! Dave .------------------------------------------dave.manning@dreamland.unomaha.edu | "It's in my brain now..." dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu | dmanning@eworld.com .-------------------------------------------- dgmanning@aol.com

Dave Manning wrote:

quoted 2 lines Sometime this week I heard "World Destruction" by Time Zone. Don't really

> Sometime this week I heard "World Destruction" by Time Zone. Don't really > know if that qualifies as ol' skool, but what a great song!

yeah man, wicked! :) Say, wasn't good ole Bill Laswell involved in that one? Anyway, having been reminded of it I'm going to dig it out and have a listen tonight. J ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk ^---+ What's in the basket? My Brother!

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quoted 4 lines By the way, am I the only one to have noticed that the packet of king-size

>By the way, am I the only one to have noticed that the packet of king-size >rizlas resting on the WARP LP is wrong in this picture - the text slopes the >wrong way. >

Ha Ha Skin-spotter! You've obviously seen plenty of examples of the real thing to notice something like that ;-) jeff <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>Why is paranoia more interesting>>>

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quoted 6 lines By the way, am I the only one to have noticed that the packet of king-size

> > >By the way, am I the only one to have noticed that the packet of king-size > >rizlas resting on the WARP LP is wrong in this picture - the text slopes the > >wrong way. > > >

Jeff said:

quoted 4 lines Ha Ha

> Ha Ha > Skin-spotter! > > You've obviously seen plenty of examples of the real thing to notice

something

quoted 1 line like that ;-)

> like that ;-)

Oh no not at all %-) It's just that my eyes are sharp. Almost as sharp as Mr Kipervarg's sarcasm (thank you very much for that one!) J ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk ^---+ What's in the basket? My Brother!

From the cyberdesk of: Jeff Linacre

quoted 8 lines By the way, am I the only one to have noticed that the packet of king-

> >By the way, am I the only one to have noticed that the packet of king- > >size rizlas resting on the WARP LP is wrong in this picture - the text > >slopes the wrong way. > > Ha Ha Skin-spotter! > > You've obviously seen plenty of examples of the real thing to notice > something like that ;-)

Umm, excuse my Americo-centric ignorance, but, what are "rizlas"? The latex thingys some poeple got bent about when Terre Theimlitz espoused their unconditional use in the liner notes on his album? On the "why-ask-why" questions front: Does _anyone_ buy regular size condoms when there are packs of the "Large" size right next to them? Doesn't _everyone_ find the "slimmer fit" of the regular size just too constricting? OK. OK. This discussion is going right down the terlet. Why can't I pretend to be an adolescent again if I want to? Grandma gets to drool like a newborn. Why? Why? Why? OnNow: Enya - Shattered Moons (Track 4 - Ebudae) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael King mike%delta1@rex.cs.tulane.edu Delta Systems New Orleans, LA 70002-4938 Voice: 504.837.9835 Fax: 504.837.9838 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can always tell a pioneer by the arrows in their back ------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Michael King wrote:

quoted 36 lines From the cyberdesk of: Jeff Linacre

> >From the cyberdesk of: Jeff Linacre > > >By the way, am I the only one to have noticed that the packet of king- > > >size rizlas resting on the WARP LP is wrong in this picture - the text > > >slopes the wrong way. > > > > Ha Ha Skin-spotter! > > > > You've obviously seen plenty of examples of the real thing to notice > > something like that ;-) > > Umm, excuse my Americo-centric ignorance, but, what are "rizlas"? > > The latex thingys some poeple got bent about when Terre Theimlitz espoused > their unconditional use in the liner notes on his album? > > On the "why-ask-why" questions front: > > Does _anyone_ buy regular size condoms when there are packs of the "Large" > size right next to them? > > Doesn't _everyone_ find the "slimmer fit" of the regular size just too > constricting? > > OK. OK. This discussion is going right down the terlet. > Why can't I pretend to be an adolescent again if I want to? Grandma gets > to drool like a newborn. Why? Why? Why? > > OnNow: Enya - Shattered Moons (Track 4 - Ebudae) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Michael King mike%delta1@rex.cs.tulane.edu > Delta Systems > New Orleans, LA 70002-4938 Voice: 504.837.9835 Fax: 504.837.9838 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can always tell a pioneer by the arrows in their back > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Rizlas" are the most popular rolling papers used in the uk - you know - what you would use to roll a 'big fatty' when you're not smoking 'bowls' or bongs. 'Swan' papers stick better though.Graham(c648574@cclabs.missouri.edu)>

quoted 5 lines The must have, however is "High Tech/No Crime" which is the remix album.

> The must have, however is "High Tech/No Crime" which is the remix album. > Remixes from Shamen, Mark Gamble, Robert Gordon, Zero B, LFO, The Orb, > Altern 8, 808 State, and Orbital. The cover art mentions "Sweet Exorcist" > (which is a Richard Kirk alias, right?) but nothing in the credits mentions > such a thing.

There are three different versions of HT/NC, four if you count the stuff in YMO's "Techno Bible" box. The Japanese and UK versions have the Sweet Exorcist track. (I knew this chart would come in handy someday! :-) JP "Techno Bible" 5CD Box (Alfa ALCA 371-374)............. JP "Hi-Tech/No Crime" (Alfa ALCA-323)....................|..... UK "Hi-Tech/No Crime" (Internal TRUCD 1).................|....|..... US "Hi-Tech/No Crime" (Moonshine Music M50088-2).........|....|....|..... | | | | Time Song (remix)....................................JPTB JPHT UKHT USHT ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5:48 Behind the Mask (orbital remix) JPHT UKHT USHT 1:35 Camouflage (mark gamble micro-mix) JPHT UKHT USHT 2:26 Castalia (mark gamble micro-mix) JPHT UKHT USHT Computer Games (mark gamble micro-mix) JPTB 5:35 Firecracker (shamen remix) JPHT UKHT USHT 5:03 Firecracker (zero b mix) UKHT USHT 4:47 La Femme Chinoise (lfo remix) JPHT UKHT USHT 5:10 Light in Darkness (808 state remix) JPHT UKHT USHT 1:28 Light in Darkness (808 state ambient reprise) JPTB UKHT USHT 0:44 Loom (mark gamble micro-mix) JPHT UKHT USHT 4:55 Multiples (altern8 remix) JPHT 3:48 Multiples (altern8 syncopated mix) UKHT USHT Multiples (altern8 12" version) JPTB Neue Tanz (something wonderful remix) JPTB Pure Jam (sideways remix) JPTB 6:35 Rydeen (graham massey remix) JPHT UKHT USHT Rydeen (massey remix long version) JPTB 5:56 Shadows on the Ground (sweet exorcist remix) JPHT UKHT 5:26 Technopolis (rhythmatic remix) JPHT 6:09 Tighten Up (robert gordon remix) JPHT UKHT USHT * 4:41 Tong Poo (orb remix) JPTB 9:44 Tong Poo (orb remix) UKHT USHT 9:38 Tong Poo (other orb remix ii) UKHT USHT * Also on UK "Reconstructions" 12"/CD5 (Internal LIARX/LIECD 2).

From the cyberdesk of: Lazlo Nibble

quoted 3 lines There are three different versions of HT/NC, four if you count the stuff in

> There are three different versions of HT/NC, four if you count the stuff in > YMO's "Techno Bible" box. The Japanese and UK versions have the Sweet > Exorcist track. (I knew this chart would come in handy someday! :-)

[ beautiful chart deleted that basically says that you need all four versions to get everything. Not to mention that Laz has 'em, too. ] Uh...Laz...Anybody tell you you really have too much time on your hands? :) What are the chances somebody's got copies of David Van Tieghm's "These Things Happen" and/or "InnaGoddaDavida" available for some price less than Bill Gates quarterly dividend check? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael King mike%delta1@rex.cs.tulane.edu Delta Systems New Orleans, LA 70002-4938 Voice: 504.837.9835 Fax: 504.837.9838 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You can always tell a pioneer by the arrows in their back ------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Michael King wrote:

quoted 3 lines What are the chances somebody's got copies of David Van Tieghm's

> What are the chances somebody's got copies of David Van Tieghm's > "These Things Happen" and/or "InnaGoddaDavida" available for some price > less than Bill Gates quarterly dividend check?

Is this a serious request for a copy or a joke? (I don't see a smiley anywhere). BTW the 12" of These things happen was one of my favorite singles of the '80's. The album is excellent to, though when I heard Innablabbablabba when it came out I thought that it had sucked.

yesterday, JSEO@us.oracle.com incredulously enquired:

quoted 2 lines can someone tell me if "bumfluff" is new? haven't heard it yet.

>can someone tell me if "bumfluff" is new? haven't heard it yet. >james

on 13th April someone posted a review of 'out there' making reference to:

quoted 2 lines black dog, post-temple pre-spanners, offer 'bumfluff' improvised live at the

>black dog, post-temple pre-spanners, offer 'bumfluff' improvised live at the >>towers from february of last year.

On Mon, 24 Apr 1995 des@anubis23.demon.co.uk wrote: [Uh, nothing; no message...]

quoted 6 lines yesterday, JSEO@us.oracle.com incredulously enquired:

> yesterday, JSEO@us.oracle.com incredulously enquired: > >can someone tell me if "bumfluff" is new? haven't heard it yet. > >james > on 13th April someone posted a review of 'out there' making reference to: > >black dog, post-temple pre-spanners, offer 'bumfluff' improvised live at the > >>towers from february of last year.

_Bumfluff_ is on the _Threads Through Time_ Twitch & Brainstorm 4LP compilation. There isn't much to it, but it floats along nicely enough (the track, not the comp). || [CiM] || u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/

1) I got In Pine Effect yesterday and its excellent, sort of like Tango 'N Vectif but funkier (like JS) and with some of the percussional sounds of the Auteurs remix ep. Fave tracks: Iced Jem: Really sunny & glorious. Grinmungous :) <track with Kristen Hersh guitar sample>: Cellos & acoustic guitar in IDM with a slow breakbeat thing over the top- truely innovative. Green Crumble: pub 'old joanna' piano funkiness. Splendid. MikeP also seems to be using more instrument sounds from orchestras- I'd be interested to hear more IcctHedral/Aphex/Glass style orchestrations of IDM tracks. It adds just that extra bit of warmth to the music. 2) Does anyone agree that track 6 off Oval/Sytemisch is a 'remix' of one of the tracks on SAWII? Talking of SAWII (and without checking the archive :( ) the Peel Session Aphex did a while back was great, particularly the remix of the 2nd SAWII track he did- with sort of vocal/beatbox kind of percussion over the top. This session ended with Pancake Lizard, but my fave track was the first one with the bird tweeting sound throughout. 3) Has anyone noticed (and before you ask I am NOT a trekkie:) that the person credited with the production of Star Trek TNG is one Richard James- surely this CAN'T be a namesake ;) 4) If anyone from RePHLeX is reading this, how can I get any of their old releases on CD. I understood that you have a mail-order service and I wrote to ask you what was available, but I got no reply. I have the money in my pocket and the tunes in my head but no CDs! 5) Listening to '3/4 Heart' (the last track) off Black Dog/Bytes must be the best way to end a day. Does anyone agree or have tracks that they reckon are particularly enjoyable at a particular time of day (or even year) 6) Does anyone like listening to the dying ends of their walkman as the batteries run out? I don't have access to any vari-speed CD players (all my stuff's om CD) and it can sometimes add a whole new perspective on tunes. Listening to stuff through little passive walkman speakers too loudly can also add new light to tunes. ForUKidmers [R&M's Shooting Stars/George Doors | U-ziq/Mr Angry | "he's just a big baby!"] (sorry about my allusionary habit)

quoted 4 lines 5) Listening to '3/4 Heart' (the last track) off Black Dog/Bytes must be the

> 5) Listening to '3/4 Heart' (the last track) off Black Dog/Bytes must be the > best way to end a day. Does anyone agree or have tracks that they reckon are > particularly enjoyable at a particular time of day (or even year) >

**Bedouin Ascent-'Beyond The 7th Gate'** has to be a track for any "quiet" frame of mind or in a "serious thinking" mode. I find it VERY useful for (if i can say this...) "intimate" moments... Derek Jordan

On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Derek Jordan wrote:

quoted 3 lines 5) Listening to '3/4 Heart' (the last track) off Black Dog/Bytes must be the

> > 5) Listening to '3/4 Heart' (the last track) off Black Dog/Bytes must be the > > best way to end a day. Does anyone agree or have tracks that they reckon are > > particularly enjoyable at a particular time of day (or even year)

A perfect pick. Perfect perfect lovely. Good for early evening on road trips, too. This may sound like a strange comparison, but I get a similar effect from "Dusk" by The The. When I first got into Bytes, I kept making that connection and I still don't know why, but the albums go together, man!

quoted 3 lines **Bedouin Ascent-'Beyond The 7th Gate'** has to be a track for any "quiet&q

> **Bedouin Ascent-'Beyond The 7th Gate'** has to be a track for any "quiet" > frame of mind or in a "serious thinking" mode. I find it VERY useful for > (if i can say this...) "intimate" moments...

Truth Is Born of Arguments has got to be the sexiest damn album in the history of the world. Is that what you were trying to say? :) Except you got the artist wrong but that's cool! hehehe... einexile

On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, einexile the meek wrote:

quoted 8 lines **Bedouin Ascent-'Beyond The 7th Gate'** has to be a track for any "quiet&q

> > **Bedouin Ascent-'Beyond The 7th Gate'** has to be a track for any "quiet" > > frame of mind or in a "serious thinking" mode. I find it VERY useful for > > (if i can say this...) "intimate" moments... > > Truth Is Born of Arguments has got to be the sexiest damn album in the > history of the world. Is that what you were trying to say? :) Except you > got the artist wrong but that's cool! >

Maybe so, maybe so. I have to listen to it, first. Not a bad cover. For strange lovers, though, i'd suggest 'Phaedra' by Tangerine Dream.

Hi it's Nick, Thanks for the info on the new Autechre single, I bought it and it is truely magnificent. REVIEWS: TWISTED SYSTEMS VOLS 3&4 A few weeks ago I bought some 12"'s called Twisted systems vols 3&4. All the tracks are by the same people Wathchman, In-Q-Bus and Leper colony. Volume 3 has an amazing A side by watchman, which has cool steady beats, and amazing effects. The B-sides weren't as good in my opinion. Volume 4 is apsolutely perfect, some tracks ambient enough with a steady percussion, other tracks faster and floor filling to say the least. Vol 3 has just the three tracks while vol 4 features 4 tracks of sparkling brilliance. NuW IDOL -ZIM (EAR/Plink Plonk) This is a two tracker featuring the tracks Zim and Zim(Blue RMX). The A track is a little more ambient than the B, but with a nice 4-4 Beat, and subtle synthy overlays which breezes the track along. The Blue remix has a large percussive section hinting on tribal infact, with a very reverby feel to it. It feels very dark, with a few lightening like effects. All in all it was a good buy. Discogabber vol 1 (Shockwave) Not in the least way intelligent, or user friendly, but a bit of a laugh. Listen to 'Saturday night' samples at high speeds sounding like a chicken while the beats come in at 200 bpm+. There are four different artists with four different tracks all of which are the most cheesy Gabba i've ever heard. If you want a laugh at high BPM's this is for you. Technology-Photon e.p. (Eurobeat 2000) Five tracks from technology. 303's a plenty. Acidic abit cheesy in parts, but generally catchy, not too much to take in and fairly average really. There are few surprises so you want be thrilled or dissapointed. Blue 101-Angry man/noplex (Out of Romford) Another cut of P.Smailes at the controls. Blue 101 have now released an album also on out of romford and i suspect it is in the same line as the 12". Angry man is a nice meaty-beaty tune with breezy overlays and a few samples here and there. Noplex is one of the best things i've heard in ages. Breezy, tuneful, ambient yet techno, dancable yet listenable, generally very good. This weighs in at only 6mins59 but it will seem that when it ends it's only just started. Can anyone help me with information on the following subjects: Navarre who released Modus Vivendi, any other releases, any other pseudonames. The restoraz album that seemed never to be released. Rainforest records? Cheers Nick.

On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, nick davey wrote:

quoted 1 line Hi it's Nick,

> Hi it's Nick,

Hi Nick.

quoted 5 lines Can anyone help me with information on the following

> Can anyone help me with information on the following > subjects: > > Navarre who released Modus Vivendi, any other releases, any > other pseudonames.

This is Ludovic Navarre - otherise known as St. Germain, Deepside, DS and probably some others too. He's recorded mainly for ex-label FNAC and F Communications. His old DS/Deepside techno releases are amazing (Derrick May loves them too - he said a while back that Navarre was one of the true current innovators), as are his fluffy house St. Germain 12"s. His recent releases have been the _Boulevard_ 3-part 12"s (compiled on one CD) and his forthcoming remix pack of _Alabama Blues_. This guy is *good* - my only quibble is that he has now practically disowned his techno releases to concentrate purely on the house/jazz side of things... A quick, patchy discog: St. Germain : Motherland EP (FNAC) ...that Modus Vivendi Warp 12" Nuages : Blanc EP (F Comms) ...some tracks on the brilliant FNAC compilation St. Germain : Boulevard (F Comms) - also released as 3 12"s DS : Volume 1 (F Comms) DS : Volume 2 (F Comms) ...a Deepside 12" on FNAC ...probably some more I've missed... He's also helped out Laurent Garnier and Shazz on some of their releases too. Hope this helps, || [CiM] || s.walley@uea.ac.uk || http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~u9323899/