Yes. I agree completely This is why I appreciate Zeitgeist, it gives a vision of the future.
zaq
quoted 124 lines Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:46:39 +0200
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:46:39 +0200
> From: esaruoho@gmail.com
> To: roachgod69@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
> CC: idm@hyperreal.org
>
> it doesnt take long to realize that most of these truth-out
> documentaries ONLY outline a problem, call this or that group of
> people, country, politician, banker etc bad bad bad down with him
> off with his head - and cue in the epic dramatic orchestral stab.
> unfortunately the mess-fests that various directors have done of r.
> buckminster fuller are quite ridiculous - incoherent mess the lot of
> them. check out "grunch of the giants" and "guinea pig b", you'll find
> them online for free. those are good ones, good books tho.
>
>
>
> 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>:
> >
> > I get what you are saying. From what I understand of the of the Venus
> > Project another one of the first steps is to take an accounting of the
> > worlds limits in order to see how many people it can support in a
> > stable ecosystem and with the building materials available or new ones
> > that we will come up with. We are already in the first stages of
> > producing programmable matter that takes on the properties we assign
> > it. Do you know how much steal is available at this point?
> >
> > Ill will check out Money Masters. Does it provide solutions, or only outline a problem?
> >
> > zaq
> >
> >
> >> From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> >> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:50:24 +0900
> >> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
> >>
> >> Check out a movie called "The Money Masters". It's a 3 hour + doco on why a
> >> fractional reserve banking system run by a private central bank sucks. I'm
> >> not saying I agree with the plan proposed in that either, I'm just saying it
> >> seems a lot more practical than our utopian friends at The Venus Project
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The other reason I thought the new Zeitgeist movie was a bit too utopian is
> >> that I'm very much unconvinced that we live in a world of abundance. I
> >> would hardly say we have an abundant supply of whatever that form of steel
> >> was that they proposed to build their cities on water out of (memory steel?)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
> >> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm hyperreal
> >> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes. Thiis was my main problem with the movie as well. There is a good
> >> explanation of why things are the way they are and how they could be. There
> >> is very little info on how to get from here to there. Is this the only
> >> reason you think it sucked badly? Do you have any suggestion, or know any
> >> movie/media that gives information on how to go about moving things into a
> >> transitional period? This is what my main interest of study is right now.
> >>
> >> zaq
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> >> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> >> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:20 +0900
> >> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> >> >
> >> > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some merits
> >> -
> >> > the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
> >> interesting..
> >> > however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at the
> >> end
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
> >> > To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
> >> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you have
> >> a
> >> > bias. In that case I will ignore you.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for being clear,
> >> > zaq
> >> >
> >> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
> >> > > From: rick@glowdot.com
> >> > > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> >> > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> >> > >
> >> > > Charles Goodwin wrote:
> >> > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every time
> >> > anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same thing
> >> > used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
> >> > > >
> >> > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: OMG
> >> > > ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list, that's
> >> why.
> >>
> >
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