it doesnt take long to realize that most of these truth-out
documentaries ONLY outline a problem, call this or that group of
people, country, politician, banker etc bad bad bad down with him
off with his head - and cue in the epic dramatic orchestral stab.
unfortunately the mess-fests that various directors have done of r.
buckminster fuller are quite ridiculous - incoherent mess the lot of
them. check out "grunch of the giants" and "guinea pig b", you'll find
them online for free. those are good ones, good books tho.
2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>:
quoted 95 lines I get what you are saying. From what I understand of the of the Venus
>
> I get what you are saying. From what I understand of the of the Venus
> Project another one of the first steps is to take an accounting of the
> worlds limits in order to see how many people it can support in a
> stable ecosystem and with the building materials available or new ones
> that we will come up with. We are already in the first stages of
> producing programmable matter that takes on the properties we assign
> it. Do you know how much steal is available at this point?
>
> Ill will check out Money Masters. Does it provide solutions, or only outline a problem?
>
> zaq
>
>
>> From: sam@forum8.co.jp
>> To: idm@hyperreal.org
>> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:50:24 +0900
>> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
>>
>> Check out a movie called "The Money Masters". It's a 3 hour + doco on why a
>> fractional reserve banking system run by a private central bank sucks. I'm
>> not saying I agree with the plan proposed in that either, I'm just saying it
>> seems a lot more practical than our utopian friends at The Venus Project
>>
>>
>>
>> The other reason I thought the new Zeitgeist movie was a bit too utopian is
>> that I'm very much unconvinced that we live in a world of abundance. I
>> would hardly say we have an abundant supply of whatever that form of steel
>> was that they proposed to build their cities on water out of (memory steel?)
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm hyperreal
>> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. Thiis was my main problem with the movie as well. There is a good
>> explanation of why things are the way they are and how they could be. There
>> is very little info on how to get from here to there. Is this the only
>> reason you think it sucked badly? Do you have any suggestion, or know any
>> movie/media that gives information on how to go about moving things into a
>> transitional period? This is what my main interest of study is right now.
>>
>> zaq
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: sam@forum8.co.jp
>> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
>> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:20 +0900
>> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>> >
>> > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some merits
>> -
>> > the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
>> interesting..
>> > however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at the
>> end
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
>> > To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
>> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>> >
>> >
>> > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you have
>> a
>> > bias. In that case I will ignore you.
>> >
>> > Thanks for being clear,
>> > zaq
>> >
>> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
>> > > From: rick@glowdot.com
>> > > To: idm@hyperreal.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>> > >
>> > > Charles Goodwin wrote:
>> > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every time
>> > anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same thing
>> > used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
>> > > >
>> > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: OMG
>> > > ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list, that's
>> why.
>>
>
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