I get what you are saying. From what I understand of the of the Venus
Project another one of the first steps is to take an accounting of the
worlds limits in order to see how many people it can support in a
stable ecosystem and with the building materials available or new ones
that we will come up with. We are already in the first stages of
producing programmable matter that takes on the properties we assign
it. Do you know how much steal is available at this point?
Ill will check out Money Masters. Does it provide solutions, or only outline a problem?
zaq
quoted 77 lines From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:50:24 +0900
> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
>
> Check out a movie called “The Money Masters”. It’s a 3 hour + doco on why a
> fractional reserve banking system run by a private central bank sucks. I’m
> not saying I agree with the plan proposed in that either, I’m just saying it
> seems a lot more practical than our utopian friends at The Venus Project
>
>
>
> The other reason I thought the new Zeitgeist movie was a bit too utopian is
> that I’m very much unconvinced that we live in a world of abundance. I
> would hardly say we have an abundant supply of whatever that form of steel
> was that they proposed to build their cities on water out of (memory steel?)
>
>
>
> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm hyperreal
> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>
>
>
> Yes. Thiis was my main problem with the movie as well. There is a good
> explanation of why things are the way they are and how they could be. There
> is very little info on how to get from here to there. Is this the only
> reason you think it sucked badly? Do you have any suggestion, or know any
> movie/media that gives information on how to go about moving things into a
> transitional period? This is what my main interest of study is right now.
>
> zaq
>
>
>
> > From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:20 +0900
> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> >
> > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some merits
> -
> > the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
> interesting..
> > however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at the
> end
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
> > To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> >
> >
> > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you have
> a
> > bias. In that case I will ignore you.
> >
> > Thanks for being clear,
> > zaq
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
> > > From: rick@glowdot.com
> > > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >
> > > Charles Goodwin wrote:
> > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every time
> > anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same thing
> > used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
> > > >
> > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: OMG
> > > ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list, that's
> why.
>
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