while i agree that creativity is not something learned, and that it is not
even necessary to learn the boundaries to break them, i cant agree with
the great classical composers simply being pop music for their time.
there were lots of other composers of the same time period, who we have
never heard of, and that is not just chance. 500 years from people will
not be looking at ms. spears as a genius. they will still be looking at
mozart, beethoven, etc. as such, at least i hope so. and while it is not
necessary to study the great musicians/composers/whatever you want to call
it of the past, it never hurt anyone to learn a little about greatness.
On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, matt loathing wrote:
quoted 133 lines I completely disagree with that line of thinking.
> I completely disagree with that line of thinking.
> First off...using pop music as a focal point for your
> argument towards classical technique training does not
> make any sense....since Ms. Spears and many other "pop
> stars" became famous not because of their training but
> because...as rule humans especially americans
> gravitate towards mediocrity....
>
> Second of all...what does not make any sense to me is
> the idea that people should be "taught" how to be
> creative.
>
> Creativity is all about stepping outside of
> boundaries.
> And please don't tell me you have to "learn" the
> boundaries so you are able to adequately step outside
> of them because that's a load of crap.
>
> Classical music and technique is nothing but a bunch
> of mathematics and you don't need to learn classical
> music to put together amazing compositions or to play
> amazing music.....
> If needing to learn anything about classical music is
> imperative is maybe the concept that most classical
> composers were making pop music for their time.
> So perhaps we can equate that Beethoven was just
> another Brittany Spears!!
>
> Matt Loathing
>
>
> --- Josh Bown <josh@undertone.com> wrote:
> > I don't really care about the stupid terms and
> > words... All I care about
> > is the quality of available music in prerecorded and
> > live scenerios. It
> > seems to me that the quality has been suffering as
> > of late, and in my
> > opinion, the quality would improve if society
> > imposed the hurdle of
> > actually studying music and practicing an instrument
> > on all those who
> > sought to be called musicians....
> >
> > for those who disagree that quality has been
> > suffering, I have two words
> > for you:
> >
> > britney spears
> >
> > I sincerely doubt that aphex twin, autechre and the
> > like would have been
> > discouraged had they been exposed to traditional
> > musicianship... in
> > fact, I would be seriously surprised if they
> > weren't. Aside from the few
> > idiot savants who seem to be born musical geniuses
> > without any practice
> > or training I think the rest of the composing
> > performing world would
> > really benefit from learning to play a traditional
> > instrument and
> > learning a little about music theory etc... I
> > believe this would have a
> > profundly inspiring effect on musicians everywhere
> > and would be nothing
> > but beneficial for them and for society as a
> > whole....
> >
> > i could be wrong
> >
> > matt loathing wrote:
> > >
> > > i think the biggest problem with this argument
> > about
> > > DJs not being musicians comes down to this:
> > > there are Radio DJs who ramble all day and then
> > play
> > > CDs like their programming director tells them to
> > and
> > > then there are accomplished DJs who are able to
> > take
> > > the medium to a new level.
> > > The DJs who have practiced their "techniques" are
> > able
> > > to take a record of a guy taking a dump on a four
> > > track and scratch it up or mess it up or
> > manipulate it
> > > to sound like something that they, yes the DJ, has
> > > created....
> > > To say that DJ's are not musicians....just is
> > > ignorance.
> > > And to say that DJs that produce are few is a pile
> > of
> > > nonsense....
> > > Most DJs that I know do produce and do release
> > their
> > > own tracks.
> > >
> > > Finally
> > > We as humans and intellectuals have reduced
> > ourselves
> > > to the very meanings of words...instead of being
> > > insightful enough to realize that words just can't
> > > encapsulate the magnitude of what performance,
> > > musicianship, art and music truly mean.
> > >
> > > Matt Loathing
> > >
> >
> >
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