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Wed, 10 May 2000 21:34:25 BST
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[idm] Re: pens and pencils
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Well, leaving the matters of personal taste to the side for a moment..
quoted 1 line Is there no racial or political impact in NWA's lyrics?>Is there no racial or political impact in NWA's lyrics?
Of course there is, but that doesnt mean that a tribute to them has to be intrisically racial or political. Perhaps what the record celebrated was their sheer power - the astonishing ferocity which Kid 606, whether justifibly or not, perhpas feels an affinity with. I know that when *I* was at school, my first exposure to rap, indeed my first exposure to any music that wasnt anodyne chart drivel was through copied tapes of what turned out to be NWA. If i was to celebrate what i felt was great about them, it certainly wouldnt be the fact that i can identify with the issues of race or politics in the lyrics; but i still feel that their music is incredibly powerful and worth celebrating. So does this make me less worthy of appreciating them somehow? Of course not. Parts of the lyrics are left intact, and the feeling of rage is still there; why then do you see this as a knowing calculated statement about "theft of black culture" and not just a love-letter from an ardent fan?
quoted 2 lines Why is the white>Why is the white >vinyl stamped with a black label?
Good question; bad judgement, at the very least, on the part of the label i would say. But not a reflection on the artist or music.
quoted 4 lines Would you have posted the same response if you actually *liked* the>>Would you have posted the same response if you actually *liked* the >> >>record? >Is this a rhetorical question? Of course not. If I liked it I would >have >said so. (?)
I presume you're deliberately misunderstanding me; my point was to enquire as to whether you would have gone into this over-analysis if you'd liked the record, or if it's all merely needless justification for disliking it.
quoted 1 line .... but a little analysis always leads to some understanding.>.... but a little analysis always leads to some understanding.
...and over-analysis stifles enjoyment. There isnt a monster under every bed; likewise, someone with one hue who enjoys another slightly different persons work isnt always pursuing a sinister agenda. There is enough "cultural theft" taking place already; to we need to invent more? On to the matters of opinion...
quoted 4 lines There are very few>There are very few >people in the world who can make noise work, and most of them have no >affiliation with VVM. Their reputation is based largely on hype. Yes, >the >emperor is naked and has a hairy ass.
And i'm sure we're all impressed that you are bucking what you see as the trend, avoiding the herd, ignoring the hype blah blah blah. I personally think that half of VVMs output (old Tv themes, charity shop records etc. etc.) is puerile nonsense. But i dont let the fact that its on a label that have a bit of a buzz about them cloud my judgement. As far as i'm concerned, the 606 single and Caretaker CD are two of the best things i've heard in months, with the Stranger Pthalo release up there as well. But thats just my opinion.
quoted 6 lines The only Schematic ape who could be accused of aping Ae styles is R.>The only Schematic ape who could be accused of aping Ae styles is R. >Devine, and his work is still sharp and fresh. It's like listening to >Ae >if they cloned themselves back in `97 and the clone went in a >different >artistic direction, since there are distinct, divine >elements you can >hear in his stuff. As all art is derivative anyway, >I consider this "good >enough" as far as originality goes.
Even those who post to the list *praising* Schematics stuff admit the very large debt they owe. I'd rather listen to something a bit more interesting. ________________________________________________________ "I believe in the modern world. I believe in the automobile, and the Charleston, and the dry martini. I represent Invisibilism and *my* Gods have electric light bulbs for eyes. My Gods run on internal combustion engines." - Lady Edith Manning, 1924 R xx thevillageorchestra@hotmail.com Marcia Blaine Industries / Metal-On-Metal Records http://websites.ntl.com/~metal-on-metal/ __________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org