I agree wholeheartedly with most of what you've stated. However, I think
people use the term "intelligent" not to imply that the "old school"
originators of a genre were not "intelligent", but rather to distinguish
contemporary music (D+B) that is less, well, cheesy, than the more
mainstream (D+B). ie while Speedy J may be "intelligent" techno,Moby may
not be(I'm not sure if that's a good example). The idea of "mainstream"
isn't essential here, just the nature of the music,(IMHO often determined
by the intended audience) which I think you get the jist of.
Anyway, my main point, genres aren't static, and
aren't that important, but for people who don't have easy acess to the
material(and its hard enough to find even for those who do),
they are useful/helpful when getting some advice/reviews/categorization
from those who have heard material.
ok, sorry if people didn't want to talk about semantics.
I just appreciate the opinions of everyone on this list,especially
reviews, often containing "categories" or "sub-genres" that save many
descriptive words.
bye
andy
On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Kent Williams wrote:
quoted 54 lines On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, grievous iv - gymkata! wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, grievous iv - gymkata! wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Kent Williams wrote:
> > > 'Intelligent' D&B
> > > (which as near as I can tell is D&B any time white people are involved,
> > > which smacks of racism to me).
> >
> > this last comment has been made before and it makes me wonder - how the
> > hell am i supposed to know (or care) if they're black or white or chinese
> > or whatever? out of the past 20 12"s i've bought, not _one_ has a
> > picture of the artist on it...
> >
> > i think it's a weird thing to bring up, i guess. i have no idea what
> > race witchman, t.power, squarepusher, etc are, and i could care less.
>
> Let me clarify, since it seems to have raised an issue that can flare
> into a pointless thread:
>
> I like the stuff that's called "Intelligent" but the tag bugs me. What
> makes it more intelligent than the music to which it is theoretically
> being contrasted?
>
> It seems to me that a lot of the intelligent D&B really is a step
> removed from the originators, and the fact that it's coming from
> people like Aphex Twin, Orbital, Squarepusher, yadda yadda makes it
> more accessible to people who are not into the original jungle scene.
> And more of those guys are white than the originators.
>
> It feels to me that it recapitulates the scene in the 50's where black
> artists were recording rock and roll records, which were covered by
> white artists who made it safe for radio.
>
> Is there a real racial bias going on here? I don't know. As near as
> I can tell, techno, jungle, IDM, etc parties are a lot more easy going
> racially than other scenes, at least in the US -- perhaps even more so
> in the UK. I'm not accusing anyone on IDM in the least.
>
> When it comes to stuff like that, don't look over your shoulder for the
> PC police, but think about language and words when you use them. And
> the idea of 'Intelligent' jungle just bugs me. Jungle didn't start
> out stupid, and then get colonized by a bunch of smarter techno-boffins,
> and to use the term is a big diss to the originators.
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