quoted 3 lines Agreed. I wasn't linking Hardfloor to Goa - I was just saying that IMO,> Agreed. I wasn't linking Hardfloor to Goa - I was just saying that IMO,
> both Hardfloor and Goa make music for the floor rather than the head and
> as such, maybe they should be discussed on another list.
Why? The initial tracks that came out on Dragonfly were just as
"cerebral"(for lack of a better word) as the AI series! Granted you
can't dance to most of the AI tracks at the time, but Dragonfly Trance 2
& AI had somewhat similar dispositions.
The sounds were innovative, and were in the process to "wave the rave goodbye"
(Silent Phase). Ok, you have a legit beef, but those who ask questions like,
"what the hell is goa?" need to be answered, and as a punter/buyer of music in
the IDM vein as well as "psyche... trance", I can offer a review. There is a delete
key you can use for reviews of goa posts, too, ya know.
quoted 7 lines I've not heard the Dragonfly comp. but the Black Dog comparison is> I've not heard the Dragonfly comp. but the Black Dog comparison is
> pushing it - BDP were always innovating; each release calmly stuck two
> fingers up to any conventions that existed - dancefloor mechanics being
> one of these. Goa is for dancing, yeah? Unlike techno, it doesn't push
> any new boundaries, rather it gives people want they want (rushing
> snares, rushing analogue riffs). IMO, this is inexcusable in modern
> electronic music. It's lazy, it's thoughtless, it's mindless.
You're absolutely right. But I must emphasize that "smart"
listeners go to "the source", and judge it from that point, not on the
material currently burning dancefloors at the moment. How could I talk
about the polyrhythmics of Black Dog, or B12, based just on their latest
12'' on GPR, Warp, or A.R.T.? Once you hear a decent track, you go back
to when they began to listen to how they have progressed. That's what I
do, anyway.
quoted 4 lines Derek, I've been to a number of trance nights, mainly because they were> Derek, I've been to a number of trance nights, mainly because they were
> being advertised as trance/techno events. I turned up expecting a bit of
> UK techno, a bit of Euro trance/techno and a smattering of US techno if I
> was lucky. What I got was Harthouse circa 93 - that's not good.
No, it isn't.
Perhaps you need a chap like myself to DJ. I can assure you that I
play a wide variety of "out there" or "music that makes you think"
material. I am just as picky about my music as you are, but
openmindedness is what is needed in order for artists to be more original
and for clubbers/listeners to buy more "out there" stuff.
quoted 2 lines Having said that, I have no real problem with it being discussed. But the> Having said that, I have no real problem with it being discussed. But the
> minute that there are more Goa posts than IDM posts, I'm outta here.
I'll be right behind you...All I'll be doing in the next month or
so is simply reviewing some of the stuff I have, that I think might me
worth someones time and money(we all don't just dole out import money, ya
know!) As I'm sure everyone knows, I don't just listen to goa!!!!
If you don't like the reviews, hit the "D" key(If you're using Pine
3.91), and if it tickles you to buy it, I'd like feedback. That's all.
Where would Black Dog(and now Plaid) be had it not been for 1 gal/guy
that posted a review of it because it was so far out in leftfield, and
everyone dismissed it as a "souless, faceless, electronic music"...Think
about that.
--I'll tone it down a bit, though.--
Derek Jordan
Next up:A review of the TIP compilations.