On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Derek Jordan wrote:
quoted 2 lines The way
> The way
> Hardfloor made it in '93 was "formulaic" and it still is.
Agreed. I wasn't linking Hardfloor to Goa - I was just saying that IMO,
both Hardfloor and Goa make music for the floor rather than the head and
as such, maybe they should be discussed on another list.
quoted 2 lines The difference
> The difference
> with goa is in the arrangement and the instruments used.
Okay - but from what GT I've heard, there is a *lot* of filter-tweaking,
opening that cut-off as the bars progress, rolling those snares, that
type of thing. This has been done to death IMO, and is neither
interesting nor innovative - two things that make me want to get up and
shake my butt.
quoted 5 lines What makes a track "intelligent"? The sampled use of scientists' talking ab
> What makes a track "intelligent"? The sampled use of scientists' talking about the cerebral
> meningitis of the beat? What's the difference between early Black Dog,
> and some of the tracks on the Dragonfly Comp. DRAGONFLY TRANCE:PROJECT 2,
> other than the obvious...It's still dark, they're breakbeats, it's
> arranged in a goth-like manner, and it's for the head.
I've not heard the Dragonfly comp. but the Black Dog comparison is
pushing it - BDP were always innovating; each release calmly stuck two
fingers up to any conventions that existed - dancefloor mechanics being
one of these. Goa is for dancing, yeah? Unlike techno, it doesn't push
any new boundaries, rather it gives people want they want (rushing
snares, rushing analogue riffs). IMO, this is inexcusable in modern
electronic music. It's lazy, it's thoughtless, it's mindless.
quoted 1 line Know what you say before you say it.
> Know what you say before you say it.
Derek, I've been to a number of trance nights, mainly because they were
being advertised as trance/techno events. I turned up expecting a bit of
UK techno, a bit of Euro trance/techno and a smattering of US techno if I
was lucky. What I got was Harthouse circa 93 - that's not good.
I respect your opinion Derek - all I'm saying is that IMO, Goa doesn't
fulfill any requirements of being 'intelligent' (yeah, I know it's a
dodgy term - I take it to mean innovation; something that rather than
giving people what they want or expect, gives them something they didn't
know they wanted, something that might well be danceable, but that
triggers thought, that triggers emotion).
Having said that, I have no real problem with it being discussed. But the
minute that there are more Goa posts than IDM posts, I'm outta here.
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