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Yes, music is subjective, and every listener has their own particular tastes. I won't name names, but two IDMer's have a habit of slamming any new type of ambient project that comes out, ranging from Sun Electric to Human Mesh Dance. Hey, I'm not against constructive criticism, but enough is enough. 8080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808 0 Paul Rafanello Internet: 808STATE@DELPHI.COM 0 8080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808

Paul Rafanello:

quoted 4 lines Yes, music is subjective, and every listener has their own particular

> Yes, music is subjective, and every listener has their own particular >tastes. I won't name names, but two IDMer's have a habit of slamming any new >type of ambient project that comes out, ranging from Sun Electric to Human >Mesh Dance.

you can name names; anyway it's all recorded in the archives. first of all, i have a hard time calling sun electric's "kitchen" or human mesh dance ambient. and anyway, check out my latest IDM Times (just sent out 5 mins ago) which has a glowing review of sun electric's "o'locco" - something i find FAR more ambient than "kitchen" even though it's not ambient really. i don't gratuitously slam things you know; i do try to maintain some measure of objectivity.

quoted 1 line Hey, I'm not against constructive criticism, but enough is enough.

> Hey, I'm not against constructive criticism, but enough is enough.

you ARE against constructive criticism. why don't you want to read a bad review? how can you learn anything without a bad review? if you like, for all future editions of the IDM Times, i'll put the bad reviews at the end with a banner - WARNING: BAD REVIEWS AHEAD and a formfeed so you can delete the message without ever seeing them. if you take reviews as gospel, you're doing yourself a disservice. i take the time to learn about reviewers and the music, thus i can usually tell from what i read whether i'll like a given record or not. not a foolproof system but it works 90% of the time for me. maybe you have a problem with reviews as a general category - in that case i recommend you don't read them and stick to the boring factual articles... "aphex twin to release a 57 CD box set on may 17th retailing for $9000 containing 4 billion songs, all .5 seconds long, in split-stereo format." me, i like discussion. Jon Drukman jdrukman%dlsun87@oracle.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence.

Jon Drukman writes:

quoted 1 line you ARE against constructive criticism. why don't you want to read a

>>you ARE against constructive criticism. why don't you want to read a

bad review?<< The Warehouse Remixes Djax Up Beats DJAX UP CD4 (track listing deleted) "Fucking christ this CD is SO boring..." Brilliant. That was the exact point I was trying to make. Instead of inane Beavis & Butthead comments, stick to objective reviews. The best is when you actually describe the music, which you do, and I enjoy that. 8080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808 0 Paul Rafanello Internet: 808STATE@DELPHI.COM 0 8080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808080808

Paul Rafanello:

quoted 11 lines you ARE against constructive criticism. why don't you want to read a

>>>you ARE against constructive criticism. why don't you want to read a >bad review?<< > >The Warehouse Remixes Djax Up Beats DJAX UP CD4 >(track listing deleted) > >"Fucking christ this CD is SO boring..." > > Brilliant. That was the exact point I was trying to make. Instead of inane >Beavis & Butthead comments, stick to objective reviews. The best is when you >actually describe the music, which you do, and I enjoy that.

of course i went on to explain WHY i thought it was so boring but you couldn't possibly quote that part in your mad rush to crucify me. so, as i've been under the gun for my behavior of late, i want to throw this issue to the IDM community at large. please fill out and return the form below to me: check all that apply: ___ IDM Times is a useful service and I'd like it to continue as is. ___ IDM Times is a useful service but you should just list objective facts and keep your own opinions out of it. ___ IDM Times is a waste of space and it drives me spare, could you please create a separate mailing list just for people who want to receive it. ___ Other: (please specify) ___ Future Sound Of London are gods ___ Future Sound Of London are wankers ___ Future Sound Of London are OK but vastly overrated. ___ Aphex Twin is god ___ Aphex Twin is a cretinous loser ___ Aphex Twin is OK but generally overrated Jon Drukman jdrukman%dlsun87@oracle.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence.

quoted 10 lines check all that apply:

> check all that apply: > > _X__ IDM Times is a useful service and I'd like it to continue as is. > _X__ IDM Times is a useful service but you should just list objective facts > and keep your own opinions out of it. > _X__ IDM Times is a waste of space and it drives me spare, could you > please create a separate mailing list just for people who want to > receive it. > ___ Other: (please specify) >

idm keeps me entertained but falls far short of its full potential as an educational and informative open forum about all types of idm. We talk about the same shite over and over avd over, the we argue about it. (Being that half these readers have no musical knowledge past 2 years ago, many have to ride other opinions rather than formulating their own objective opinion)

quoted 4 lines _X__ Future Sound Of London are gods

> _X__ Future Sound Of London are gods > _X__ Future Sound Of London are wankers > _X__ Future Sound Of London are OK but vastly overrated. >

Yesterday, when I woke up I felt like a god, got called a wanker, then decided that at times I was vastly overrated.

quoted 3 lines _X__ Aphex Twin is god

> _X__ Aphex Twin is god > _X__ Aphex Twin is a cretinous loser > _X__ Aphex Twin is OK but generally overrated

Of course, we are *all* gods, cretins, and vastly overrated. Meester Cameron more Artificial than Intelligent