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I say myspace if youre looking for something free. www.canaca.ca has some cheap hosting tho. and its pretty good for the price in my opinion. Lumin Egress wrote:

quoted 12 lines Quick Question.

>Quick Question. > >Whats the best way for me to put some tracks up >online for people to listen to? Thanks. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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tracks on myspace become the property of fox news corp On 12/14/05, Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:

quoted 27 lines I say myspace if youre looking for something free.

> I say myspace if youre looking for something free. > > www.canaca.ca has some cheap hosting tho. and its pretty good for the > price in my opinion. > > > > Lumin Egress wrote: > > >Quick Question. > > > >Whats the best way for me to put some tracks up > >online for people to listen to? Thanks. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Where does it say that? Chork the Jangler wrote:

quoted 51 lines tracks on myspace become the property of fox news corp

>tracks on myspace become the property of fox news corp > >On 12/14/05, Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote: > > >>I say myspace if youre looking for something free. >> >>www.canaca.ca has some cheap hosting tho. and its pretty good for the >>price in my opinion. >> >> >> >>Lumin Egress wrote: >> >> >> >>>Quick Question. >>> >>>Whats the best way for me to put some tracks up >>>online for people to listen to? Thanks. >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> > > >-- >pete lastname >meatsock@gmail.com >www.grep-fu.net > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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Is that true???

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Chork the Jangler [mailto:meatsock@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:44 PM > To: Mantrakid > Cc: Lumin Egress; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Music Hosting > > tracks on myspace become the property of fox news corp > > On 12/14/05, Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote: > > I say myspace if youre looking for something free. > > > > www.canaca.ca has some cheap hosting tho. and its pretty good for the > > price in my opinion. > > > > > > > > Lumin Egress wrote: > > > > >Quick Question. > > > > > >Whats the best way for me to put some tracks up > > >online for people to listen to? Thanks. > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 10 lines Is that true???

>Is that true??? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chork the Jangler [mailto:meatsock@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:44 PM >> To: Mantrakid >> Cc: Lumin Egress; idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] Music Hosting >> > > tracks on myspace become the property of fox news corp

not really. the myspace terms of service changed after the acquisition to read: "By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you hereby grant to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the Website. This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Website." note the key phrases "non-exclusive" and the last sentence. all this seems to be is legalese for, "your music is providing content for our website but we don't owe you anything for it." just in case, say, a band with tens of thousands of hits started to think they should get a piece of the advertising dollars their page is generating for the site. here's the village voice article the quote was found in: http://www.villagevoice.com/screens/0533,webmccombs,66817,28.html

Hi all, I have small question. There was a post recently annaoncing dancing compilation. They asked to send tracks to this compilation. but i have lost this letter and adress where to send music. May be some one can repeat this site addres for me? [sorry for English, Im not English speaking] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

experimedia <experimedia@gmail.com>to incidental More options Dec 12 (3 days ago) This is the official announcement for the Rhythm Method compilation to be released on Experimedia in February/March 2006. This release will be made available in FLAC (lossless), MP3, and OGG formats, will include high quality artwork, will be promoted worldwide, and distributed worldwide via several digital delivery technologies. Concept : A dance compilation. Our loose definition of dance is any electronic based song with a rhythmic beat between 120bpm and 170bpm. Doesn't necessarily have to fall into your usual "dance" music genre. We are seeking new unreleased tracks. No tracks over 10 minutes. Submissions : Open to all. Direct links to compressed files only. Save your masters. If accepted we will require uncompressed masters. If you need file space to store your files we offer free file space to members. Simply sign up for a membership to our site and click the files link in the header to upload your file. Deadline : February 7th, 2006, 07:00am Eastern Time SUBMIT HERE http://www.experimedia.net/plug.php?p=submit www.experimedia.net On 12/15/05, sk1e <s_kie@inbox.ru> wrote:

quoted 9 lines Hi all, I have small question. There was a post recently annaoncing dancing compilation. T

> Hi all, I have small question. There was a post recently annaoncing dancing compilation. They asked to send tracks to this compilation. but i have lost this letter and adress where to send music. May be some one can repeat this site addres for me? > [sorry for English, Im not English speaking] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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but, the long and short of it is, as long as its up there they can use it for whatever they want without your permission On 12/14/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:

quoted 34 lines Is that true???

> >Is that true??? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chork the Jangler [mailto:meatsock@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:44 PM > >> To: Mantrakid > >> Cc: Lumin Egress; idm@hyperreal.org > >> Subject: Re: [idm] Music Hosting > >> > > > tracks on myspace become the property of fox news corp > > > not really. the myspace terms of service changed after the > acquisition to read: > > "By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you > hereby grant to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide > license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the > Website. This license will terminate at the time you remove such > Content from the Website." > > note the key phrases "non-exclusive" and the last sentence. all this > seems to be is legalese for, "your music is providing content for our > website but we don't owe you anything for it." just in case, say, a > band with tens of thousands of hits started to think they should get > a piece of the advertising dollars their page is generating for the > site. > > here's the village voice article the quote was found in: > > http://www.villagevoice.com/screens/0533,webmccombs,66817,28.html > > >

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quoted 2 lines but, the long and short of it is, as long as its up there they can use

>but, the long and short of it is, as long as its up there they can use >it for whatever they want without your permission

i don't see that it says that. the content is specifically performed and displayed on the website, where you put it in the first place. i suppose that means they could theoretically take a piece of your music and use it as a pop-up ad on the site for something else, but that seems far-fetched. at this point myspace is like ebay: there are other options, perhaps more indie and/or egalitarian, but it's the one *everyone * is on, and thus gives the best exposure.

quoted 45 lines On 12/14/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:

>On 12/14/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: >> >Is that true??? >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Chork the Jangler [mailto:meatsock@gmail.com] >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:44 PM >> >> To: Mantrakid >> >> Cc: Lumin Egress; idm@hyperreal.org >> >> Subject: Re: [idm] Music Hosting >> >> >> > > tracks on myspace become the property of fox news corp >> >> >> not really. the myspace terms of service changed after the >> acquisition to read: >> >> "By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you >> hereby grant to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide >> license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the >> Website. This license will terminate at the time you remove such >> Content from the Website." >> >> note the key phrases "non-exclusive" and the last sentence. all this >> seems to be is legalese for, "your music is providing content for our >> website but we don't owe you anything for it." just in case, say, a >> band with tens of thousands of hits started to think they should get >> a piece of the advertising dollars their page is generating for the >> site. >> >> here's the village voice article the quote was found in: >> >> http://www.villagevoice.com/screens/0533,webmccombs,66817,28.html >> >> >> > > >-- >pete lastname >meatsock@gmail.com >www.grep-fu.net > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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At 10:47 PM 14/12/2005, Chork the Jangler wrote:

quoted 2 lines but, the long and short of it is, as long as its up there they can use

>but, the long and short of it is, as long as its up there they can use >it for whatever they want without your permission

No, they can't. Read it again:

quoted 5 lines "By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you

> > "By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you > > hereby grant to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide > > license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the > > Website. This license will terminate at the time you remove such > > Content from the Website."

This is the important part: "...publicly perform and display such Content ON THE WEBSITE." In other words, by posting any content on MySpace.com, you are granting MySpace/Fox permission to "display" that content on MySpace.com. They do not have permission to use it anywhere else, and the permission you are granting is non-exclusive, meaning that you are able to post or use your content anywhere else. I'd lay odds that pretty much any commercial website on the Internet that allows people to post content of any sort will have a very similar clause in their user agreement. It's quite innocuous, really. Somehow, people jumped to the conclusion that Fox was going to start using music posted to MySpace as a free soundtrack to their TV shows or something. This legal statement doesn't allow for anything of the sort. Greg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

far fetched but possible under the terms of the licence. i never said likely, just that they have the right to do it On 12/14/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:

quoted 66 lines but, the long and short of it is, as long as its up there they can use

> >but, the long and short of it is, as long as its up there they can use > >it for whatever they want without your permission > > i don't see that it says that. the content is specifically performed > and displayed on the website, where you put it in the first place. i > suppose that means they could theoretically take a piece of your > music and use it as a pop-up ad on the site for something else, but > that seems far-fetched. > > at this point myspace is like ebay: there are other options, perhaps > more indie and/or egalitarian, but it's the one *everyone * is on, > and thus gives the best exposure. > > > >On 12/14/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > >> >Is that true??? > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Chork the Jangler [mailto:meatsock@gmail.com] > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:44 PM > >> >> To: Mantrakid > >> >> Cc: Lumin Egress; idm@hyperreal.org > >> >> Subject: Re: [idm] Music Hosting > >> >> > >> > > tracks on myspace become the property of fox news corp > >> > >> > >> not really. the myspace terms of service changed after the > >> acquisition to read: > >> > >> "By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you > >> hereby grant to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide > >> license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the > >> Website. This license will terminate at the time you remove such > >> Content from the Website." > >> > >> note the key phrases "non-exclusive" and the last sentence. all this > >> seems to be is legalese for, "your music is providing content for our > >> website but we don't owe you anything for it." just in case, say, a > >> band with tens of thousands of hits started to think they should get > >> a piece of the advertising dollars their page is generating for the > >> site. > >> > >> here's the village voice article the quote was found in: > >> > >> http://www.villagevoice.com/screens/0533,webmccombs,66817,28.html > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >pete lastname > >meatsock@gmail.com > >www.grep-fu.net > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Heh. Every click on Myspace is a tickle of Rupert Murdoch's corporate balls. I would rather stay away from that sight anyway, don't really want anything to do with fox, if I saw BIll Oreilly I would punch him right in the boobs. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Thats the direction i was heading in. On 12/14/05, Lumin Egress <applesgrowontrees@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 11 lines Heh.

> Heh. > Every click on Myspace is a tickle of Rupert Murdoch's corporate > balls. I would rather stay away from that sight anyway, don't really > want anything to do with fox, if I saw BIll Oreilly I would punch him > right in the boobs. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Its a resource, and arguably a very good one for exposing yourself to a very large user base. If youre going to avoid any resource with a base root of corporate corruption, i sincerely hope you dont do most of your business on earth. Lumin Egress wrote:

quoted 13 lines Heh.

> Heh. >Every click on Myspace is a tickle of Rupert Murdoch's corporate >balls. I would rather stay away from that sight anyway, don't really >want anything to do with fox, if I saw BIll Oreilly I would punch him >right in the boobs. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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it's entirely possible to exist on the internet without using any corporate music webhosting sites whatsoever. you are a fatalist and a defeatist for assuming there is no escaping the long reach of short-sighted. earth is the only known planet to have contracted the concept of business, so your last point is doubly redundant, even. On 12/15/05, mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:

quoted 37 lines Its a resource, and arguably a very good one for exposing yourself to a

> Its a resource, and arguably a very good one for exposing yourself to a > very large user base. If youre going to avoid any resource with a base > root of corporate corruption, i sincerely hope you dont do most of your > business on earth. > > > Lumin Egress wrote: > > > Heh. > >Every click on Myspace is a tickle of Rupert Murdoch's corporate > >balls. I would rather stay away from that sight anyway, don't really > >want anything to do with fox, if I saw BIll Oreilly I would punch him > >right in the boobs. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > www.neferiu.com <http://www.neferiu.com> > www.neferiu.com > calgary *·* alberta > 403*·*852*·*6801 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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whaa? well anyway, thanks...for the imput everyone! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

mantrakid wrote:

quoted 2 lines Its a resource, and arguably a very good one for exposing yourself to a

> Its a resource, and arguably a very good one for exposing yourself to a > very large user base.

i cannot begin to tell you how much i love exposing myself. well, i can, but i shouldn't. i love it. how bout that new BOC?! don't fear the reaper. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org