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is there a way i can produce visuals off my vaio? im playing around with really basic stuff like sony visualizer but i need more editing power. how is it done? software/hardware? any responsewould be grand. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I want to know if anyone has any cheap ideas for projected/onscreen/background visuals at a show... Has anyone done something relatively experimental? How about cheap? Is it possible to make a strange/experimental type projector with a couple hours and some radio shack shit? Mantrakid - www.mantrakid.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

use a camcorder to take a picture of the display while it's displaying what the camcorder sees, then record that if you get a cheapy text overlay unit (like for titling family videos) the text or characters will become part of the mosaic reference http://www.grep-fu.net/pix/Snapshot13.jpg and similar; you can see the edge of my monitor, a lot. i am using mirror mode on my dv cam for that. also, forward motion theater sells rave visual dvds that are not bad at all, i have a couple, they're good background stuff but parts might be a bit dated by now : http://www.forwardmotiontheater.org/Works/framefix.html if you have a lot of money to blow, get that pioneer DVD dj mixer! =) On 12/1/05, Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:

quoted 13 lines I want to know if anyone has any cheap ideas for

> I want to know if anyone has any cheap ideas for > projected/onscreen/background visuals at a show... Has anyone done > something relatively experimental? How about cheap? Is it possible to > make a strange/experimental type projector with a couple hours and some > radio shack shit? > > Mantrakid - www.mantrakid.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Aaron, Thats wicked. haha now here's the clincher: What if one doesnt even have a multimedia projector? Is there anything that someone could put together something say with like a slide projector or transparency/overhead projector. I remember seeing something with colored oil once... or am i trippin? mantrakid - www.neferiu.com Aaron D Meyers wrote:

quoted 39 lines if you don't want to invest more than a couple of hours, you're best bet

>if you don't want to invest more than a couple of hours, you're best bet >is to just play a DVD of some strange stuff. I think if you wanna take a >step up from that, try experimenting with video feedback... that's like >when you point a video camera at a screen that its already feeding into. >You get that crazy tunnelling effect. If you put a person between the >camera and the screen you get a crazy tunnelling person. There are lots >of things to experiment with video feedback. This ought to be a good >resource for inspiration: http://www.videofeedback.dk/World/ > >-Aaron > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> >Date: Thursday, December 1, 2005 1:07 pm >Subject: [idm] Visuals > > > >>I want to know if anyone has any cheap ideas for >>projected/onscreen/background visuals at a show... Has anyone done >>something relatively experimental? How about cheap? Is it possible >>to >>make a strange/experimental type projector with a couple hours and >>some >>radio shack shit? >> >>Mantrakid - www.mantrakid.com >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> > > >

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oops great minds think alike eh? On 12/1/05, Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:

quoted 57 lines Aaron,

> Aaron, > > Thats wicked. haha now here's the clincher: What if one doesnt even have > a multimedia projector? Is there anything that someone could put > together something say with like a slide projector or > transparency/overhead projector. I remember seeing something with > colored oil once... or am i trippin? > > mantrakid - www.neferiu.com > > Aaron D Meyers wrote: > > >if you don't want to invest more than a couple of hours, you're best bet > >is to just play a DVD of some strange stuff. I think if you wanna take a > >step up from that, try experimenting with video feedback... that's like > >when you point a video camera at a screen that its already feeding into. > >You get that crazy tunnelling effect. If you put a person between the > >camera and the screen you get a crazy tunnelling person. There are lots > >of things to experiment with video feedback. This ought to be a good > >resource for inspiration: http://www.videofeedback.dk/World/ > > > >-Aaron > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> > >Date: Thursday, December 1, 2005 1:07 pm > >Subject: [idm] Visuals > > > > > > > >>I want to know if anyone has any cheap ideas for > >>projected/onscreen/background visuals at a show... Has anyone done > >>something relatively experimental? How about cheap? Is it possible > >>to > >>make a strange/experimental type projector with a couple hours and > >>some > >>radio shack shit? > >> > >>Mantrakid - www.mantrakid.com > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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If you have a transparent acetate projector. Get one piece of transparent acetate and poor a drop of ink with water and//or oil and on top of that, lay another piece of acetate. Water and ink will flow between the two sheets of plastic and create a cool effect. Le 01/12/05 17:22, « Mantrakid » <mantrakid@neferiu.com> a écrit :

quoted 56 lines Aaron,

> Aaron, > > Thats wicked. haha now here's the clincher: What if one doesnt even have > a multimedia projector? Is there anything that someone could put > together something say with like a slide projector or > transparency/overhead projector. I remember seeing something with > colored oil once... or am i trippin? > > mantrakid - www.neferiu.com > > Aaron D Meyers wrote: > >> if you don't want to invest more than a couple of hours, you're best bet >> is to just play a DVD of some strange stuff. I think if you wanna take a >> step up from that, try experimenting with video feedback... that's like >> when you point a video camera at a screen that its already feeding into. >> You get that crazy tunnelling effect. If you put a person between the >> camera and the screen you get a crazy tunnelling person. There are lots >> of things to experiment with video feedback. This ought to be a good >> resource for inspiration: http://www.videofeedback.dk/World/ >> >> -Aaron >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> >> Date: Thursday, December 1, 2005 1:07 pm >> Subject: [idm] Visuals >> >> >> >>> I want to know if anyone has any cheap ideas for >>> projected/onscreen/background visuals at a show... Has anyone done >>> something relatively experimental? How about cheap? Is it possible >>> to >>> make a strange/experimental type projector with a couple hours and >>> some >>> radio shack shit? >>> >>> Mantrakid - www.mantrakid.com >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Thanks guys! this is all very awesome stuff.. Patrick Matte wrote:

quoted 84 lines If you have a transparent acetate projector.

>If you have a transparent acetate projector. >Get one piece of transparent acetate and poor a drop of ink with water >and//or oil and on top of that, lay another piece of acetate. Water and ink >will flow between the two sheets of plastic and create a cool effect. > > >Le 01/12/05 17:22, « Mantrakid » <mantrakid@neferiu.com> a écrit : > > > >>Aaron, >> >>Thats wicked. haha now here's the clincher: What if one doesnt even have >>a multimedia projector? Is there anything that someone could put >>together something say with like a slide projector or >>transparency/overhead projector. I remember seeing something with >>colored oil once... or am i trippin? >> >>mantrakid - www.neferiu.com >> >>Aaron D Meyers wrote: >> >> >> >>>if you don't want to invest more than a couple of hours, you're best bet >>>is to just play a DVD of some strange stuff. I think if you wanna take a >>>step up from that, try experimenting with video feedback... that's like >>>when you point a video camera at a screen that its already feeding into. >>>You get that crazy tunnelling effect. If you put a person between the >>>camera and the screen you get a crazy tunnelling person. There are lots >>>of things to experiment with video feedback. This ought to be a good >>>resource for inspiration: http://www.videofeedback.dk/World/ >>> >>>-Aaron >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> >>>Date: Thursday, December 1, 2005 1:07 pm >>>Subject: [idm] Visuals >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I want to know if anyone has any cheap ideas for >>>>projected/onscreen/background visuals at a show... Has anyone done >>>>something relatively experimental? How about cheap? Is it possible >>>>to >>>>make a strange/experimental type projector with a couple hours and >>>>some >>>>radio shack shit? >>>> >>>>Mantrakid - www.mantrakid.com >>>> >>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>- >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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Hoy! Here's a coupla ideas ) Take your overhead projector open it up and put a little DVD player inside playing loop - maybe tilt the player so that its plane is not perpendicular to the proj glass so that the focus is slightly different from side to side of the image / make sure it shows in the top glass / unfocus the projector head so that the image playing is not recognizable. Never tried this - just an idea )Rent an orthographic projector which lets you blow up images laid on its table. Put your DVD player down there / project onto stage. This method has limited size and brightness, but if you put it on the stage it might work. Never tried this either... )Borrow a 16mm proj and the oldest films they have from a school / smear vaseline on the lens - or unscrew the lens or defocus the lens for mysteriousness / project films onto stage and whatever they happen to hit. You might have a friend help with this one. This I have done although using 1000 foot reels and several projectors (and several friends). Old science films and cartoons etc can go abstract really cool! The clacking of the projectors is also a very cool rhythmic sound (with several you get polyrhythms) that you can work with. )Save the best for last. Mix giant batch of Sangria (red wine with cut up fruit in it) mix in about 200 hits of acid. Serve to every guest - miss no one! Seconds are OK if everyone has had at least one cup. Turn off all the lights except for tiny worklights and play show. Guaranteed memorable evening. If I think or hear of any other cheap and easy ideas I'll post more later Otherwise, good luck!

inteeresting thread... funny, i was actually doing something like this at work today.. i'm a seventh grade english teacher in brooklyn and am having one of my classes create their own plays and try to animate them using an overhead projector... i'm just photocopying their pictures in color onto transparencies, cutting out characters, with backgrounds and stuff... lots of funny effects you can do (like a ghost on one sheet, and glowing red eyes on another, then you can just move the eyes around independent...) pretty fun, and pretty damned cheap. you can transfer photos, anything... Staples has bulk blank transparencies, and they work in most Xerox Color machines.

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>From: "wobbly" <spacewalker@juno.com> >To: mantrakid@neferiu.com >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Visuals >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:56:55 GMT > >Hoy! > >Here's a coupla ideas >) Take your overhead projector open it up and put a little DVD player >inside playing loop - maybe tilt the player so that its plane is not >perpendicular to the proj glass so that the focus is slightly different >from side to side of the image / make sure it shows in the top glass / >unfocus the projector head so that the image playing is not recognizable. >Never tried this - just an idea >)Rent an orthographic projector which lets you blow up images laid on its >table. Put your DVD player down there / project onto stage. This method has >limited size and brightness, but if you put it on the stage it might work. >Never tried this either... > >)Borrow a 16mm proj and the oldest films they have from a school / smear >vaseline on the lens - or unscrew the lens or defocus the lens for >mysteriousness / project films onto stage and whatever they happen to hit. >You might have a friend help with this one. This I have done although using >1000 foot reels and several projectors (and several friends). Old science >films and cartoons etc can go abstract really cool! The clacking of the >projectors is also a very cool rhythmic sound (with several you get >polyrhythms) that you can work with. >)Save the best for last. Mix giant batch of Sangria (red wine with cut up >fruit in it) mix in about 200 hits of acid. Serve to every guest - miss no >one! Seconds are OK if everyone has had at least one cup. Turn off all the >lights except for tiny worklights and play show. Guaranteed memorable >evening. >If I think or hear of any other cheap and easy ideas I'll post more later > >Otherwise, good luck! >

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Oh the things you can do with overhead projectors... and a little custom software elbow grease: http://tmema.org/mis/ ----- Original Message ----- From: nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> Date: Thursday, December 1, 2005 6:59 pm Subject: Re: [idm] Visuals

quoted 90 lines inteeresting thread...

> inteeresting thread... > > funny, i was actually doing something like this at work today.. i'm > a > seventh grade english teacher in brooklyn and am having one of my > classes > create their own plays and try to animate them using an overhead > projector... i'm just photocopying their pictures in color onto > transparencies, cutting out characters, with backgrounds and > stuff... lots > of funny effects you can do (like a ghost on one sheet, and glowing > red eyes > on another, then you can just move the eyes around independent...) > > pretty fun, and pretty damned cheap. you can transfer photos, > anything... > Staples has bulk blank transparencies, and they work in most Xerox > Color > machines. > > > >From: "wobbly" <spacewalker@juno.com> > >To: mantrakid@neferiu.com > >CC: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Visuals > >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 01:56:55 GMT > > > >Hoy! > > > >Here's a coupla ideas > >) Take your overhead projector open it up and put a little DVD > player > >inside playing loop - maybe tilt the player so that its plane is > not > >perpendicular to the proj glass so that the focus is slightly > different > >from side to side of the image / make sure it shows in the top > glass / > >unfocus the projector head so that the image playing is not > recognizable. > >Never tried this - just an idea > >)Rent an orthographic projector which lets you blow up images laid > on its > >table. Put your DVD player down there / project onto stage. This > method has > >limited size and brightness, but if you put it on the stage it > might work. > >Never tried this either... > > > >)Borrow a 16mm proj and the oldest films they have from a school > / smear > >vaseline on the lens - or unscrew the lens or defocus the lens > for > >mysteriousness / project films onto stage and whatever they happen > to hit. > >You might have a friend help with this one. This I have done > although using > >1000 foot reels and several projectors (and several friends). Old > science > >films and cartoons etc can go abstract really cool! The clacking > of the > >projectors is also a very cool rhythmic sound (with several you > get > >polyrhythms) that you can work with. > >)Save the best for last. Mix giant batch of Sangria (red wine with > cut up > >fruit in it) mix in about 200 hits of acid. Serve to every guest - > miss no > >one! Seconds are OK if everyone has had at least one cup. Turn off > all the > >lights except for tiny worklights and play show. Guaranteed > memorable > >evening. > >If I think or hear of any other cheap and easy ideas I'll post > more later > > > >Otherwise, good luck! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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