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2005-04-18 01:48chthonic streams [idm] Ae:untitled
└─ 2005-04-19 06:29Mark Fleschler Re: [idm] Ae:untitled
├─ 2005-04-19 10:02eleventhvolume Re: [idm] Ae:untitled
└─ 2005-04-19 14:31tim koch [idm] Ae:untilted
├─ 2005-04-19 15:03Alan Lucas Re: [idm] Ae:untilted
│ └─ 2005-04-19 15:23max Re: [idm] Ae:untilted
│ ├─ 2005-04-19 15:27Alan Lucas Re: [idm] Ae:untilted
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└─ 2005-04-20 00:08tim koch [idm] Ae:untilted
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2005-04-18 01:48chthonic streamsanyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be out until tomorrow or tuesday, but i bought
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anyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be out until tomorrow or tuesday, but i bought mine yesterday from etherea records in NYC. they rule. i think it's great. i liked 'draft 7.0' but this is even better. some of it makes better sense of the metallic tones i heard on the self-titled (or "LP7"). towards the end it contains old-skool synths and squelches and a couple of drum machine samples straight outta 1984, but in a way they *never* would have used them back then. also pummeling deep kicks, crazy undanceable rhythms, high-end bitcrunched scraping sounds, a stronger return to melody in spots (think first album), and some repetitive drones that for some reason remind me of neubauten circa 'halber mensch' if done on a laptop. one track even has a repeating noise that sounds like a vocal syllable! if you thought the last one was just "ok" or you didn't "get" confeld, buy this. it may renew your faith in them. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 06:29Mark FleschlerOn the contrary I would completely disagree. Apart from lcc and pro radii, I would disrega
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On the contrary I would completely disagree. Apart from lcc and pro radii, I would disregard this release entirely. I felt Confield was a mixed bag with a good number of solid tunes, and thought Draft 7:30 to be one of the best records the duo has put to plastic. This time around, I feel they have completely missed the mark. I feel the tunes are completely unfocused and quite boring. Their tones, which are usually very inventive, are lacking. The rhythms, a staple to the group (and recently have been genius enough to make up for their dearth of melody) even less so. I would go so far as to say this is a lazy effort, lacking any real focus that all of their previous releases had. They've micromanaged these tunes to death. Sublimit seems to turn into a different song every 3 minutes, lacking any real direction or purpose - yet when its all over, I can't remember a single distinctive tone or part that was memorable (except maybe that really cheesy synth chord stab near the beginning, but that was horrid). Usually no matter how bizarre or abstract their tunes got, Ae always seemed to have a structure or composition in mind with their tunes. Every loop variation seemed to hint at a purpose, an alterior motive. Apart from the opening track and pro radii, the album is incredibly spotty. And fermium is an embarrasingly bad tune for Ae. To be fair, I'd say most of Ae's albums are a mixed bag with their respective share of substandard tunes (usually completely overshadowed by unrelenting classics of the genre, of course), but this record takes the cake for me. These guys are used up. I would advise anyone who doesn't like any post LP5 Ae to avoid this release like the plague. And even those who do like some post LP5 Ae, such as myself, to be very wary. Maybe check the tunes out on bleep and buy 1 or 2 tracks off the album. If that. -Mark chthonic streams wrote:
quoted 27 lines anyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be out until tomorrow or> anyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be out until tomorrow or > tuesday, but i bought mine yesterday from etherea records in NYC. they > rule. > > i think it's great. i liked 'draft 7.0' but this is even better. some > of it makes better sense of the metallic tones i heard on the > self-titled (or "LP7"). towards the end it contains old-skool synths > and squelches and a couple of drum machine samples straight outta > 1984, but in a way they *never* would have used them back then. > > also pummeling deep kicks, crazy undanceable rhythms, high-end > bitcrunched scraping sounds, a stronger return to melody in spots > (think first album), and some repetitive drones that for some reason > remind me of neubauten circa 'halber mensch' if done on a laptop. one > track even has a repeating noise that sounds like a vocal syllable! > > if you thought the last one was just "ok" or you didn't "get" confeld, > buy this. it may renew your faith in them. > > > d. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-04-19 10:02eleventhvolume> On the contrary I would completely disagree. Apart from lcc and pro > radii, I would dis
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quoted 5 lines On the contrary I would completely disagree. Apart from lcc and pro> On the contrary I would completely disagree. Apart from lcc and pro > radii, I would disregard this release entirely. I felt Confield was a > mixed bag with a good number of solid tunes, and thought Draft 7:30 to > be one of the best records the duo has put to plastic. This time > around, I feel they have completely missed the mark.
Each to his/her own, but I couldn't agree less - this review seems to put it better than I could myself: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/experimental/reviews/autechre_untilted.shtml
quoted 4 lines I saw them at Stealth last night, and it was awesome. The support was good,> I saw them at Stealth last night, and it was awesome. The support was good, > too, in a very old school way. I'll second the recommendation, and also > recommend taking your dancing shoes - I think they've stripped down and > danceified the rhythms a bit for the live thing.
Wow - props to you David, my experience was that they refused to lock into anything like a repetitive groove for the duration. I danced quite a bit, but thank god it was pitch black in there! Cheers, C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 14:31tim koch:: releases had. They've micromanaged these tunes to death. Sublimit :: seems to turn into
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:: releases had. They've micromanaged these tunes to death. Sublimit :: seems to turn into a different song every 3 minutes, lacking any real :: direction or purpose - yet when its all over, I can't remember a single :: distinctive tone or part that was memorable (except maybe that really :: cheesy synth chord stab near the beginning, but that was horrid). Mark has got it summed up very well here -- this just isn't *memorable* music at all .. that was the first thing to strike me upon the initial listen [and probably last listen coincidentally]. This is coming from someone who has always enjoyed the majority of Ae's work. Tim. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 15:03Alan LucasOn 4/19/05, tim koch <tim@tundra-music.com> wrote: > > :: releases had. They've micromanag
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On 4/19/05, tim koch <tim@tundra-music.com> wrote:
quoted 15 lines :: releases had. They've micromanaged these tunes to death. Sublimit> > :: releases had. They've micromanaged these tunes to death. Sublimit > :: seems to turn into a different song every 3 minutes, lacking any real > :: direction or purpose - yet when its all over, I can't remember a single > :: distinctive tone or part that was memorable (except maybe that really > :: cheesy synth chord stab near the beginning, but that was horrid). > > Mark has got it summed up very well here -- this just isn't > *memorable* music at all .. that was the first thing to strike me > upon the initial listen [and probably last listen coincidentally]. > This is coming from someone who has always enjoyed the majority > of Ae's work. > > Tim. > --
See this is where you get into the arguments as to whether or not something should be instantly memorable or whether your appreciation for it can grow upon repeated listening. While Confield still isn't my favorite disc, I definitely like it a lot more now than I did initially. Does memorable = good? Perhaps just the memory that something is complex and interesting is enough. Does there have to be a tune to hold onto? I'm not asking these questions as attacks, I'm just asking these questions. Take, for example, the new Phthalocyanine. I haven't digested it, it's not "catchy," but I know that I want to go back and listen to it. Of course, the hardest question is "If I heard this and didn't know that it was X artist, would I go back and listen to it again? Or is my preconceived notion of their talent what drives me to want to listen and appreciate it so that I can say I still like them?" Geez, I dunno. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 15:23max> Does memorable = good? Try not to remember things that are bad most times. -------------
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quoted 1 line Does memorable = good?> Does memorable = good?
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2005-04-19 15:27Alan LucasOn 4/19/05, max <max0666@cox.net> wrote: > > Does memorable = good? > > Try not to remembe
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On 4/19/05, max <max0666@cox.net> wrote:
quoted 5 lines Does memorable = good?> > Does memorable = good? > > Try not to remember things that are bad most times. > >
That's an answer to a different question. Although trying to forget everything that's bad will cost you in the end. Is it only good if you can sing it back to yourself? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 15:39Alan Lockett--On 19 April 2005 10:23 -0500 max <max0666@cox.net> wrote: >> Does memorable = good? 'Oop
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--On 19 April 2005 10:23 -0500 max <max0666@cox.net> wrote:
quoted 1 line Does memorable = good?>> Does memorable = good?
'Oops I did it again' is memorable. The advert for Pot Noodle is memorable. A chronic diarrhoea attack is memorable. So memorable might be viewed as = bad in some cases. Clearly, 'memorable' is not inherently a '+' or '-' term, but one whose connotative meaning can only be resolved by context. One might say that the context of IDM is one which does not typically trade on memorability as a criterion for goodness. But then again, we have seen that some IDM-ophiles clearly like their IDM to be memorable to qualify as 'good', or at least a deficit in memorability can be legitimately raised as a defect. But memorability is not a *sufficient* condition for goodness, *necessary* though it might be seen by some. So, er... in summary, what I wanted to say was... uh... No. ;-) alan ---------------------- Alan Lockett (Senior Language Co-ordinator - EFL) Language Centre, University of Bristol, 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol, BS8 1PY, UK tel: +44 (0)117 3310914 e-mail: Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 16:04...>>> Alan Lockett [mailto:Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk] said: A chronic diarrhoea attack is
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Alan Lockett [mailto:Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk] said: A chronic diarrhoea attack is memorable.
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Funny, I was just about to post a short review of Ae's latest likening both form and content of songs therein to "sonic diarrhea". However, the gist can be expressed even more succinctly, thanks to Alan's apt example: Like an especially explosive bout of diarrhea, _untitled_ is indeed memorable. And like an especially explosive bout diarrhea, once is too many. Joel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 18:45Enquiries> Funny, I was just about to post a short review of Ae's latest likening both > form and c
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quoted 2 lines Funny, I was just about to post a short review of Ae's latest likening both> Funny, I was just about to post a short review of Ae's latest likening both > form and content of songs therein to "sonic diarrhea".
Jesus H. Christ - I'd hate to suffer ANY form of diarrhoea that sounded or felt like Untilted. If you have been so unfortunate, you have my deepest sympathies. Seriously though, my initial reaction to the new Ae was similarly negative, but after five or so concerted listens my sense of it began to cohere into something challenging and remarkable. I wouldn't claim to have assimilated it - lord forbid, but I do find it remarkably visceral, detailed and just like the live experience its refusal to lock into anything as predictable as straightforward melody or groove or even texture keeps me returning again and again. So that's my tuppence ha'penny - personal application and a willingness to overcome one's initial antipathy/puzzlement may garner significant reward. The best things in life don't come easy. Cheers, C. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 19:53egyptian zombie robotwell, that sounds like just about all of the autechre records. I think i too will download
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well, that sounds like just about all of the autechre records. I think i too will download it and get myself a listen. On 4/19/05, Enquiries <enquiries@eleventhvolume.com> wrote:
quoted 28 lines Funny, I was just about to post a short review of Ae's latest likening> > > Funny, I was just about to post a short review of Ae's latest likening > both > > form and content of songs therein to "sonic diarrhea". > Jesus H. Christ - I'd hate to suffer ANY form of diarrhoea that sounded or > felt like Untilted. If you have been so unfortunate, you have my deepest > sympathies. Seriously though, my initial reaction to the new Ae was > similarly negative, but after five or so concerted listens my sense of it > began to cohere into something challenging and remarkable. I wouldn't > claim > to have assimilated it - lord forbid, but I do find it remarkably > visceral, > detailed and just like the live experience its refusal to lock into > anything > as predictable as straightforward melody or groove or even texture keeps > me > returning again and again. So that's my tuppence ha'penny - personal > application and a willingness to overcome one's initial > antipathy/puzzlement > may garner significant reward. The best things in life don't come easy. > > Cheers, C. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-04-19 15:21max> -- this just isn't > *memorable* music at all .. Agreed. Don't even remember it at all.
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quoted 2 lines -- this just isn't> -- this just isn't > *memorable* music at all ..
Agreed. Don't even remember it at all. And Autechre tops my list of favorite things............ np: Autechre ~ Cichli Suite --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-20 00:08tim kochSome more (blog) comments: http://jonvon.net/jonvon/blog/blog.nsf/dx/autechre-untilted.htm
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Some more (blog) comments: http://jonvon.net/jonvon/blog/blog.nsf/dx/autechre-untilted.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-18 07:22WimVOn 4/18/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > anyone else gotten th
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On 4/18/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:
quoted 3 lines anyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be out until tomorrow or> anyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be out until tomorrow or > tuesday, but i bought mine yesterday from etherea records in NYC. > they rule.
Yes, I bought mine last friday (15th) -- greetings, WimV --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-18 20:35egyptian zombie robotsweet jesus. i wonder if bleep.com <http://bleep.com> is carrying it yet. -xnlab On 4/18/0
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sweet jesus. i wonder if bleep.com <http://bleep.com> is carrying it yet. -xnlab On 4/18/05, WimV <wim.vogel@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 18 lines On 4/18/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:> > On 4/18/05, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > > anyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be out until tomorrow or > > tuesday, but i bought mine yesterday from etherea records in NYC. > > they rule. > > Yes, I bought mine last friday (15th) > > -- > greetings, > > WimV > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2005-04-18 22:39Michael Scheeregyptian zombie robot <egyptianzombierobot@gmail.com> wrote: > sweet jesus. i wonder if bl
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quoted 1 line sweet jesus. i wonder if bleep.com <> sweet jesus. i wonder if bleep.com <http://bleep.com> is carrying it yet.
??? Are you all talking about untilted? Bleep even has it in .flac format. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-04-19 15:57Greg Hillwhat track(s) would you reccommend buying(Bleep.com) from this new album that has the "old
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what track(s) would you reccommend buying(Bleep.com) from this new album that has the "old school" AE sound? if any? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Fleschler" <mark@bleego.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Ae:untitled
quoted 69 lines On the contrary I would completely disagree. Apart from lcc and pro> On the contrary I would completely disagree. Apart from lcc and pro > radii, I would disregard this release entirely. I felt Confield was a > mixed bag with a good number of solid tunes, and thought Draft 7:30 to be > one of the best records the duo has put to plastic. This time around, I > feel they have completely missed the mark. > > I feel the tunes are completely unfocused and quite boring. Their tones, > which are usually very inventive, are lacking. The rhythms, a staple to > the group (and recently have been genius enough to make up for their > dearth of melody) even less so. I would go so far as to say this is a > lazy effort, lacking any real focus that all of their previous releases > had. They've micromanaged these tunes to death. Sublimit seems to turn > into a different song every 3 minutes, lacking any real direction or > purpose - yet when its all over, I can't remember a single distinctive > tone or part that was memorable (except maybe that really cheesy synth > chord stab near the beginning, but that was horrid). Usually no matter > how bizarre or abstract their tunes got, Ae always seemed to have a > structure or composition in mind with their tunes. Every loop variation > seemed to hint at a purpose, an alterior motive. Apart from the opening > track and pro radii, the album is incredibly spotty. And fermium is an > embarrasingly bad tune for Ae. > > To be fair, I'd say most of Ae's albums are a mixed bag with their > respective share of substandard tunes (usually completely overshadowed by > unrelenting classics of the genre, of course), but this record takes the > cake for me. These guys are used up. > > I would advise anyone who doesn't like any post LP5 Ae to avoid this > release like the plague. And even those who do like some post LP5 Ae, > such as myself, to be very wary. Maybe check the tunes out on bleep and > buy 1 or 2 tracks off the album. If that. > > -Mark > > chthonic streams wrote: > >> anyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be out until tomorrow or >> tuesday, but i bought mine yesterday from etherea records in NYC. they >> rule. >> >> i think it's great. i liked 'draft 7.0' but this is even better. some of >> it makes better sense of the metallic tones i heard on the self-titled >> (or "LP7"). towards the end it contains old-skool synths and squelches >> and a couple of drum machine samples straight outta 1984, but in a way >> they *never* would have used them back then. >> >> also pummeling deep kicks, crazy undanceable rhythms, high-end >> bitcrunched scraping sounds, a stronger return to melody in spots (think >> first album), and some repetitive drones that for some reason remind me >> of neubauten circa 'halber mensch' if done on a laptop. one track even >> has a repeating noise that sounds like a vocal syllable! >> >> if you thought the last one was just "ok" or you didn't "get" confeld, >> buy this. it may renew your faith in them. >> >> >> d. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2005-04-19 16:44David Mcphersonfermium I like, as well as the first track. Differnet strokes, I guess. And Sublimit is go
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fermium I like, as well as the first track. Differnet strokes, I guess. And Sublimit is good. I like how the tracks melt from something into something, I don't know I didn't like confield or 7:30. For the first time in forever they have come up with something I like... --- Greg Hill <cameron69@comcast.net> wrote:
quoted 106 lines what track(s) would you reccommend buying(Bleep.com)> what track(s) would you reccommend buying(Bleep.com) > from this new album > that has the "old school" AE sound? if any? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Fleschler" <mark@bleego.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] Ae:untitled > > > > On the contrary I would completely disagree. > Apart from lcc and pro > > radii, I would disregard this release entirely. I > felt Confield was a > > mixed bag with a good number of solid tunes, and > thought Draft 7:30 to be > > one of the best records the duo has put to > plastic. This time around, I > > feel they have completely missed the mark. > > > > I feel the tunes are completely unfocused and > quite boring. Their tones, > > which are usually very inventive, are lacking. > The rhythms, a staple to > > the group (and recently have been genius enough to > make up for their > > dearth of melody) even less so. I would go so far > as to say this is a > > lazy effort, lacking any real focus that all of > their previous releases > > had. They've micromanaged these tunes to death. > Sublimit seems to turn > > into a different song every 3 minutes, lacking any > real direction or > > purpose - yet when its all over, I can't remember > a single distinctive > > tone or part that was memorable (except maybe that > really cheesy synth > > chord stab near the beginning, but that was > horrid). Usually no matter > > how bizarre or abstract their tunes got, Ae always > seemed to have a > > structure or composition in mind with their tunes. > Every loop variation > > seemed to hint at a purpose, an alterior motive. > Apart from the opening > > track and pro radii, the album is incredibly > spotty. And fermium is an > > embarrasingly bad tune for Ae. > > > > To be fair, I'd say most of Ae's albums are a > mixed bag with their > > respective share of substandard tunes (usually > completely overshadowed by > > unrelenting classics of the genre, of course), but > this record takes the > > cake for me. These guys are used up. > > > > I would advise anyone who doesn't like any post > LP5 Ae to avoid this > > release like the plague. And even those who do > like some post LP5 Ae, > > such as myself, to be very wary. Maybe check the > tunes out on bleep and > > buy 1 or 2 tracks off the album. If that. > > > > -Mark > > > > chthonic streams wrote: > > > >> anyone else gotten this? wasn't supposed to be > out until tomorrow or > >> tuesday, but i bought mine yesterday from etherea > records in NYC. they > >> rule. > >> > >> i think it's great. i liked 'draft 7.0' but this > is even better. some of > >> it makes better sense of the metallic tones i > heard on the self-titled > >> (or "LP7"). towards the end it contains > old-skool synths and squelches > >> and a couple of drum machine samples straight > outta 1984, but in a way > >> they *never* would have used them back then. > >> > >> also pummeling deep kicks, crazy undanceable > rhythms, high-end > >> bitcrunched scraping sounds, a stronger return to > melody in spots (think > >> first album), and some repetitive drones that for > some reason remind me > >> of neubauten circa 'halber mensch' if done on a > laptop. one track even > >> has a repeating noise that sounds like a vocal > syllable! > >> > >> if you thought the last one was just "ok" or you > didn't "get" confeld, > >> buy this. it may renew your faith in them. > >> > >> > >> d. > >> > >> >
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2005-04-20 01:19Josh Steineryou can hear them all on the site for the album: http://www.warprecords.com/autechre/ Greg
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you can hear them all on the site for the album: http://www.warprecords.com/autechre/ Greg Hill wrote:
quoted 2 lines what track(s) would you reccommend buying(Bleep.com) from this new> what track(s) would you reccommend buying(Bleep.com) from this new > album that has the "old school" AE sound? if any?
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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Greg Hill" <cameron69@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:57:52 -0700
quoted 2 lines what track(s) would you reccommend buying(Bleep.com) from this new album>what track(s) would you reccommend buying(Bleep.com) from this new album >that has the "old school" AE sound? if any?
about 3:30 into "sublimit" there are "old school" drum and synth sounds, which are morphed/overlaid into the now-familiar "stuttering" effect. also on "the trees" there is a very squelchy acid-like bassline. that's the stuff i meant by old-school really. some 'incunanbula'-like bits also lurk in those tracks, as well as in "femnium"'s tense two-notes and a drone loop. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org