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2004-11-09 23:59The Typo Knigthis may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of gear people use? i mea

From:: The Typo Knig <mikey@ce-mu.net>
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Date:: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:59:09 -0800
Subject:: [idm] digital vs analogue - one moron;s opinon

this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of gear people use? i mean,. isn;t it kind of pretentious to assume that someones gear has some relevance to the quality of their music? call me stupid. but i have lived my entire life thinking that it's the quality of the music is important. and yes, i use both analog and digital gear, and i don't; give a fuck whats in my hands, i;m gonna bring the funk. -m www.micmell.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-10 03:53Adam PiontekOn Nov 9, 2004, at 6:59 PM, The Typo Knig wrote: > this may be a dumb question, but does i

From:: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org>
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Date:: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:53:08 -0500
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On Nov 9, 2004, at 6:59 PM, The Typo Knig wrote:

quoted 9 lines this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of

> this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of > gear > people use? > i mean,. isn;t it kind of pretentious to assume that someones gear has > some relevance to the quality of their music? > call me stupid. but i have lived my entire life thinking that it's the > quality of the music is important. > and yes, i use both analog and digital gear, and i don't; give a fuck > whats in my hands, i;m gonna bring the funk.

See, now that's kinda an interesting question... Would Beethoven have made amazing, memorable music with FruityLoops? Would Autechre have been so mesmerizing with ukulele & thumb piano? Would Slaughter have rocked as hard as a synth-pop doo-wop ensemble? -adam piontek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-10 12:47Robert FeuchtlThe Typo Knig wrote: >this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of

From:: Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de>
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Date:: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:54 +0100
Subject:: Re: [idm] digital vs analogue - one moron;s opinon
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The Typo Knig wrote:

quoted 10 lines this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of gear

>this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of gear >people use? >i mean,. isn;t it kind of pretentious to assume that someones gear has >some relevance to the quality of their music? >call me stupid. but i have lived my entire life thinking that it's the >quality of the music is important. >and yes, i use both analog and digital gear, and i don't; give a fuck >whats in my hands, i;m gonna bring the funk. > >

THATz the attitude man! itz about the fucking music of course the digital vs. analog discussion is there so ppl can be lazy not finishing their tracks cause the still don´t have "that final machine" that will make their production happen. I always believed that before you start taling about high-end equipment you got to know what you are doing musical-wise 1st... ppl today start buying equipment first cause they buy the illusion of being able to make killer tracks with it. I remember Omni Trio making his first 12" on moving shadow with a freaking amiga 16-bit extension and that includes some of his best stuff. i know ppl that can make analog gear sound digital and vice versa. knowing that... on the other hand: modern analog high end gear has a natural BIG and soft sound, so if you want to sound it cold and ultraclean you gonna loose with that equipment and you´ll need a comp. the best compromise is using Universal Audio UAD-1 DSP cards that make nice emulations of vintage analog outboard stuff AND a computer´s host sequencer. I personally like to blend both qualities: the precision and tightness of computermusic and some nice pumped up analog stuff (emulations start to work nicely nowadays so there is no real need to buy the hardware) robert

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2004-11-10 13:19n3wjackOn Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:54 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote: > The Typo

From:: n3wjack <n3wjack@gmail.com>
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Date:: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:19:00 +0100
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:54 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote:

quoted 23 lines The Typo Knig wrote:

> The Typo Knig wrote: > > > > >this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of gear > >people use? > >i mean,. isn;t it kind of pretentious to assume that someones gear has > >some relevance to the quality of their music? > >call me stupid. but i have lived my entire life thinking that it's the > >quality of the music is important. > >and yes, i use both analog and digital gear, and i don't; give a fuck > >whats in my hands, i;m gonna bring the funk. > > > > > THATz the attitude man! itz about the fucking music of course > > the digital vs. analog discussion is there so ppl > can be lazy not finishing their tracks cause the still > don´t have "that final machine" that will make their > production happen. > > I always believed that before you start taling about high-end > equipment you got to know what you are doing musical-wise 1st...

Yep, it's an easy trap to fall in, since it's easier to accept your setup is causing the tunes to suck, instead of accepting that you don't have the necessary skills yet to make a decent tune. Whenever you see a " What is <insert bigname producer here> using?" there's ussually someone on the other side thinking that if he can get the same gear as producer X, he'll be able to make his tracks sound just as phat'n'nasty. The thruth is however that the big names can make rocking tunes out of any decent tool, cause it's the knowledge that matters, not the tool. Always ungrading to the latest and finest is also one of those traps I've fallen into, which in the end makes you spend more time trying out and installing new tools , than actually writing music... which doesn't help to make you write better tunes, cause that just takes a lot of practice. I think it's Venetians Snares who's still using some oldksool tracker software like OctaMed for instance. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.blogspot.com http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-10 13:39Robert Feuchtln3wjack wrote: >On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:54 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wr

From:: Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de>
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Date:: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:39:21 +0100
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n3wjack wrote:

quoted 53 lines On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:54 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:47:54 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote: > > >>The Typo Knig wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of gear >>>people use? >>>i mean,. isn;t it kind of pretentious to assume that someones gear has >>>some relevance to the quality of their music? >>>call me stupid. but i have lived my entire life thinking that it's the >>>quality of the music is important. >>>and yes, i use both analog and digital gear, and i don't; give a fuck >>>whats in my hands, i;m gonna bring the funk. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>THATz the attitude man! itz about the fucking music of course >> >>the digital vs. analog discussion is there so ppl >>can be lazy not finishing their tracks cause the still >>don´t have "that final machine" that will make their >>production happen. >> >>I always believed that before you start taling about high-end >>equipment you got to know what you are doing musical-wise 1st... >> >> > >Yep, it's an easy trap to fall in, since it's easier to accept your >setup is causing the tunes to suck, instead of accepting that you >don't have the necessary skills yet to make a decent tune. > >Whenever you see a " What is <insert bigname producer here> using?" >there's ussually someone on the other side thinking that if he can get >the same gear as producer X, he'll be able to make his tracks sound >just as phat'n'nasty. >The thruth is however that the big names can make rocking tunes out of >any decent tool, cause it's the knowledge that matters, not the tool. > >Always ungrading to the latest and finest is also one of those traps >I've fallen into, which in the end makes you spend more time trying >out and installing new tools , than actually writing music... which >doesn't help to make you write better tunes, cause that just takes a >lot of practice. I think it's Venetians Snares who's still using some >oldksool tracker software like OctaMed for instance. > > >

yes, its a stupid trap. i remember those weird opinions coming from drum´n´bass scene saying that you can only make drum´n´bass with a tube compressor. and for mixing there was only mackie. geee... that was lame .. :) now, they´r all using computers and got uniformed beats trackers are cool. i am gonna use an atari 8 bit comp for my album tour in 2005 for the visuals.. i am tired of slick mac / pc dither and flash esthetics... strictly no 3D or textures... robert

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2004-11-10 14:10n3wjackOn Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:39:21 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote: > n3wjack w

From:: n3wjack <n3wjack@gmail.com>
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Date:: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:10:16 +0100
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:39:21 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote:

quoted 4 lines n3wjack wrote:

> n3wjack wrote: > > >

quoted 7 lines trackers are cool. i am gonna use an atari 8 bit comp for my album tour

> trackers are cool. i am gonna use an atari 8 bit comp for my album tour > in 2005 > for the visuals.. i am tired of slick mac / pc dither and flash > esthetics... strictly > no 3D or textures... > > robert

hehe, I remember a local electronic gig once where a friend used a C64 to provide the visuals using those typical tech-demo's & some classic games :) -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.blogspot.com http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-10 14:20Robert Feuchtln3wjack wrote: >On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:39:21 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wr

From:: Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de>
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Date:: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:20:48 +0100
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n3wjack wrote:

quoted 28 lines On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:39:21 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:39:21 +0100, Robert Feuchtl <bobhumid@groove.de> wrote: > > >>n3wjack wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > >>trackers are cool. i am gonna use an atari 8 bit comp for my album tour >>in 2005 >>for the visuals.. i am tired of slick mac / pc dither and flash >>esthetics... strictly >>no 3D or textures... >> >>robert >> >> > >hehe, I remember a local electronic gig once where a friend used a C64 >to provide the visuals using those typical tech-demo's & some classic >games :) > > >

itz still soooo killer .) ... and new to the kids too.. -- B O B H U M I D @ G R O O V E M A G A Z I N E ( t e c h n o l o g i c a l _ e d i t o r ) servicelinks: http://www.groove.de http://www.coad.to --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-11 03:47Irene McCOn 10 Nov 2004 at 14:39, Robert Feuchtl wrote: > now, they´r all using computers and got u

From:: Irene McC <substar@iafrica.com>
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Date:: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:47:56 +0200
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On 10 Nov 2004 at 14:39, Robert Feuchtl wrote:

quoted 1 line now, they´r all using computers and got uniformed beats

> now, they´r all using computers and got uniformed beats

Man, I'm envisioning them all in khaki and goose-stepping :-) Sorry, being facetious... I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-11-10 16:23Albers, Brian>this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of gear >people use? >i

From:: Albers, Brian <BAlbers@premiereradio.com>
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Date:: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:23:01 -0600
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quoted 4 lines this may be a dumb question, but does it really matter what kind of gear

I don't think it's pretentious at all. I'll use an obvious example- Autechre. Why is it that ever since they've incorperated Max/MSP, that their music sounds sooo Max/MSP? Clickety clackety, without much low end, pretty much devoid of melody/harmony, and very much backing off of the bass lines. More importantly, why is it that every other artist who I encounter who uses Max/MSP sounds quite similar to the later Ae releases? Compare the first EOG 12" (the grey one called Master or just s/t) which was heavy on the 909 (analog) to their second 12", Pt. 3, which was made obviously with Max/MSP. Why should it be so obvious? Why does it need to sound like that? Can it not sound like anything else? I saw some other guy at the Infinite Complexity show a couple months ago in LA (called Zehn or something like that) who also used Max/MSP and again the sound was quite distinctive. The same clickety clackety cutty drum patterns and pretty much no melody. Not that I have anything against Max/MSP because there are other examples. A freind mentioned to me that some of the live Not Breathing stuff sounded a lot like the live Aphex Twin stuff. I thought, 'Hmmm. They both do their own circuit bending home-made synths, and even though they are worlds apart, they sound similar.' Not only in the sounds of the synths, but in the style of the music. Why should that be? I hear it also, though not as much, between people who use Reaktor. Now that I'm starting into Reason myself, I hear similarities in those users as well- check out the Exillon 12" on Zod and the Cyrusrex album (which is really really great by the way). Food for thought. Topic for discussion. now on- Not Breathing mp3s

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