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maybe the artists should speak up instead of letting rag PR publications that have more content in advertising space than subject matter hype them into oblivion, or think people think that they're cool being in a hummer advert for instance.

quoted 51 lines From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com>

>From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> >To: <folkdevil_23@hotmail.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:56:04 -0700 > >>From now on, only starving artists, pizza boys and frustrated >programmers are allowed to post to this list. No artists trying to earn >a living are welcome. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: folk devil [mailto:folkdevil_23@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:47 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO > > > > >From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO > >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:20:04 -0400 > > > >for the love of christ man what corporate bs advertising? > >sponsorship from magzines like xlr8r for a start, telling us how hip and > >trendy to be without an inkling of what producers actually sound like, >or >whether they think about anything other than being adored....hey kids if > >you're into this genre then try this cool sub genre, there's even >trousers >to match..like others have said, drop the hype...it's just branding for >those who want to live life as an advert. > > >what idm label is a corporation? > >warp? lol > >and 10 years on you could say sony, caroline ......etc.. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN >Life >Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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dude, their fucking artists. they spend 12 hours a day in a fucking studio working on music not writing descriptions of their music and trying to get people out to their shows. - a On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 06:08 PM, folk devil wrote:

quoted 73 lines maybe the artists should speak up instead of letting rag PR

> maybe the artists should speak up instead of letting rag PR > publications that have more content in advertising space than subject > matter hype them into oblivion, or think people think that they're > cool being in a hummer advert for instance. > > >> From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> >> To: <folkdevil_23@hotmail.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> >> Subject: RE: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:56:04 -0700 >> >> From now on, only starving artists, pizza boys and frustrated >> programmers are allowed to post to this list. No artists trying to >> earn >> a living are welcome. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: folk devil [mailto:folkdevil_23@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:47 PM >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >> >> >> >> >From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> >> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >> >Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >> >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:20:04 -0400 >> > >> >for the love of christ man what corporate bs advertising? >> >> sponsorship from magzines like xlr8r for a start, telling us how hip >> and >> >> trendy to be without an inkling of what producers actually sound like, >> or >> whether they think about anything other than being adored....hey kids >> if >> >> you're into this genre then try this cool sub genre, there's even >> trousers >> to match..like others have said, drop the hype...it's just branding >> for >> those who want to live life as an advert. >> >> >what idm label is a corporation? >> >> warp? lol >> >> and 10 years on you could say sony, caroline ......etc.. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN >> Life >> Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – > FREE download! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Advertising pays for content the same way the ads on the radio pay for licensing fees. A free "rag" is required to cover all their costs with advertising. Or maybe they should only publish content that is free. I'm sure Bill Woodward would be glad to work for free and jettison the corporate reins that kept him from writing anything of value. Oh yeah, I forgot - he brought down a presidency within the confines of a corporation. Even worse, a Warren Buffet-owned corporation. By the way, I'd think I was cool if hummer paid me for one of their ads. And I'd have a hell of a lot more time to come up with good "content." -----Original Message----- From: folk devil [mailto:folkdevil_23@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 3:09 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising maybe the artists should speak up instead of letting rag PR publications that have more content in advertising space than subject matter hype them into oblivion, or think people think that they're cool being in a hummer advert for instance.

quoted 50 lines From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com>

>From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> >To: <folkdevil_23@hotmail.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:56:04 -0700 > >>From now on, only starving artists, pizza boys and frustrated >programmers are allowed to post to this list. No artists trying to >earn a living are welcome. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: folk devil [mailto:folkdevil_23@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:47 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO > > > > >From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO > >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:20:04 -0400 > > > >for the love of christ man what corporate bs advertising? > >sponsorship from magzines like xlr8r for a start, telling us how hip >and > >trendy to be without an inkling of what producers actually sound like, >or whether they think about anything other than being adored....hey >kids if > >you're into this genre then try this cool sub genre, there's even >trousers to match..like others have said, drop the hype...it's just >branding for those who want to live life as an advert. > > >what idm label is a corporation? > >warp? lol > >and 10 years on you could say sony, caroline ......etc.. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN >Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com>

>From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> >To: <folkdevil_23@hotmail.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:19:00 -0700

quoted 3 lines By the way, I'd think I was cool if hummer paid me for one of their ads.

>By the way, I'd think I was cool if hummer paid me for one of their ads. >And I'd have a hell of a lot more time to come up with good "content." >

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Glowdot Dot Com" <rick@glowdot.com> XLR8R are not to blame here, though. Neither are Warp. ------------------- Neither are to 'blame', however XLR8R is an ass-kissing ad-rag and have ~always~ been just that. Fuck them and fuck their "trends": "By combining the culturally accelerated movements of electronic music and lifestyle, XLR8R expresses the unspoken alliance between these factions of youth culture. As we expose and present the leaders within this close-knit community, our readers gain insight into the ideas and trends that will prevail in the months and years to come. From our annual t-shirt feature, to style spreads starring design and music icons, to in-depth interviews and cultural round-ups, XLR8R unearths the trends of tomorrow for today's thirsty readership." Pandering, patronizing puke. Warp have entirely lost the beat, and though once the pinnacle of excellence, they're now the pinnacle of suckcess. seek np: Movement '04 cd2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

----- Original Message ----- From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> By the way, I'd think I was cool if hummer paid me for one of their ads. And I'd have a hell of a lot more time to come up with good "content." ------------------------- Which, after selling out intergrity, is going to be awfully hard to do. I think it'd be really cool if every hummer on the road suddenly coasted to a dead-stop, never ever to be re-started. seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

For starters, fuck Hummers. Gas Guzzling fucking things. However, On Jun 18, 2004, at 7:20 PM, seeklektek wrote:

quoted 1 line Which, after selling out intergrity, is going to be awfully hard to do.

> Which, after selling out intergrity, is going to be awfully hard to do.

Who the fuck are you to judge that? Automatically because someone sold a track they made to a commercial, no matter how they might feel about the 'product' advertised (and I don't think he expressed his opinion on that to you, did he? maybe he digs Hummers, and if he does it is not something to judge his music by), their 'intergrity' (sic) is sold out, void? Automatically he will lack the inspiration or talent to produce music of his own liking? Fuck 'indie cred,' make music for your damn self. If someone likes something you've done to sell their product, unless you have an ethical issue with that product, where's the issue? Who are you to judge anyone based on that, huh? I, myself, would never sell a track of mine to a commercial. That has nothing to do with ethical issues with commercials in general or the idea that I would have 'sold out' (every time someone says that, Tool's "Hooker With A Penis" begins playing in my head), I just hate commercials and television. If Spielberg or Schumaker wanted a track for their next big cheeseball hollywood turd, though - hey, take it. I'm game. "All you know about me is what I sold you Dumbfuck I sold out long before you'd ever even heard my name I sold my soul to make record, dipshit Then you bought one." -Tool, Hooker With A Penis forel -elitist fuck --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Speaking for myself as an artist, I have yet to find a label/company/person to do PR in the way that I think should be, which means that if I want the job done right I must do it myself, however, I would, at normal, prefer a company to do PR for me, so I can concentrate on the music... -----Original Message----- From: folk devil [mailto:folkdevil_23@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:09 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising maybe the artists should speak up instead of letting rag PR publications that have more content in advertising space than subject matter hype them into oblivion, or think people think that they're cool being in a hummer advert for instance.

quoted 51 lines From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com>

>From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> >To: <folkdevil_23@hotmail.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:56:04 -0700 > >>From now on, only starving artists, pizza boys and frustrated >programmers are allowed to post to this list. No artists trying to earn >a living are welcome. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: folk devil [mailto:folkdevil_23@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:47 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO > > > > >From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO > >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:20:04 -0400 > > > >for the love of christ man what corporate bs advertising? > >sponsorship from magzines like xlr8r for a start, telling us how hip and > >trendy to be without an inkling of what producers actually sound like, >or >whether they think about anything other than being adored....hey kids if > >you're into this genre then try this cool sub genre, there's even >trousers >to match..like others have said, drop the hype...it's just branding for >those who want to live life as an advert. > > >what idm label is a corporation? > >warp? lol > >and 10 years on you could say sony, caroline ......etc.. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN >Life >Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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And I'm an artist who felt the sting of corporate nonsense when my album was dumped by a major US label (very major) who didn't think they'd make any money on it. They probably wouldn't have, and yet I haven't had a single shred of interest from any of the so-called "indie" labels in the aftermath who pose as underground and free to do as they please. Probably as a result of my association with said large US label. Either way, both sides are trying to profit. One by brainwashing masses of simple-minded and naïve teenagers who haven't yet developed their own tastes or found their place in the world. The other by capitalizing on the hipness of obscurity. Which leaves me in the middle, unable to make a dime in this stupid business. XLR8R are not to blame here, though. Neither are Warp. It just is how it is. Rick Strom http://www.rick-strom.com http://www.glowdot.com -----Original Message----- From: Ishay Sommer [mailto:IshayS@Radware.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:21 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising Speaking for myself as an artist, I have yet to find a label/company/person to do PR in the way that I think should be, which means that if I want the job done right I must do it myself, however, I would, at normal, prefer a company to do PR for me, so I can concentrate on the music... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

often times properly doing PR i.e. like Ghostly requires a lot more money than releases bring in or the label has. for 100 bucks a release I get Merck's stuff in a few magazines and on radio. -a On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 07:20 PM, Ishay Sommer wrote:

quoted 89 lines Speaking for myself as an artist,

> Speaking for myself as an artist, > I have yet to find a label/company/person to do PR in the way that I > think > should be, which means that if I want the job done right I must do it > myself, however, I would, at normal, prefer a company to do PR for me, > so I > can concentrate on the music... > > -----Original Message----- > From: folk devil [mailto:folkdevil_23@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:09 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising > > maybe the artists should speak up instead of letting rag PR > publications > that have more content in advertising space than subject matter hype > them > into oblivion, or think people think that they're cool being in a > hummer > advert for instance. > > >> From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> >> To: <folkdevil_23@hotmail.com>,<idm@hyperreal.org> >> Subject: RE: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:56:04 -0700 >> >> From now on, only starving artists, pizza boys and frustrated >> programmers are allowed to post to this list. No artists trying to >> earn >> a living are welcome. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: folk devil [mailto:folkdevil_23@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 2:47 PM >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >> >> >> >>> From: andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: Re: [idm] Funkstorung tonight - ORLANDO >>> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:20:04 -0400 >>> >>> for the love of christ man what corporate bs advertising? >> >> sponsorship from magzines like xlr8r for a start, telling us how hip >> and >> >> trendy to be without an inkling of what producers actually sound like, >> or >> whether they think about anything other than being adored....hey kids >> if >> >> you're into this genre then try this cool sub genre, there's even >> trousers >> to match..like others have said, drop the hype...it's just branding >> for >> those who want to live life as an advert. >> >>> what idm label is a corporation? >> >> warp? lol >> >> and 10 years on you could say sony, caroline ......etc.. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN >> Life >> Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - > FREE > download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Why would an indie label negate communication with you because of your relation with a big label? did you try enough labels? (I am talking 400 - 500 here... not just sending 5 demos out and waiting for the girls to rush by your house with their mouth open...) -----Original Message----- From: Glowdot Dot Com [mailto:rick@glowdot.com] Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:28 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising And I'm an artist who felt the sting of corporate nonsense when my album was dumped by a major US label (very major) who didn't think they'd make any money on it. They probably wouldn't have, and yet I haven't had a single shred of interest from any of the so-called "indie" labels in the aftermath who pose as underground and free to do as they please. Probably as a result of my association with said large US label. Either way, both sides are trying to profit. One by brainwashing masses of simple-minded and naïve teenagers who haven't yet developed their own tastes or found their place in the world. The other by capitalizing on the hipness of obscurity. Which leaves me in the middle, unable to make a dime in this stupid business. XLR8R are not to blame here, though. Neither are Warp. It just is how it is. Rick Strom http://www.rick-strom.com http://www.glowdot.com -----Original Message----- From: Ishay Sommer [mailto:IshayS@Radware.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:21 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising Speaking for myself as an artist, I have yet to find a label/company/person to do PR in the way that I think should be, which means that if I want the job done right I must do it myself, however, I would, at normal, prefer a company to do PR for me, so I can concentrate on the music... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

To answer your first question, please re-read what I originally wrote. I completely lost whatever manufactured "hip-cred" I had earned for myself, which is not, I suppose, what smaller labels want to hear. As for the second question: I don't want to sound abrasive here, but I was signed to release through the largest record distributor in the world. I think I know (or at least knew) what I was doing. I have management, PR and even a few commercials for ca$h under my belt. I did not send out 4-5 demos and wait for the chicks to line up. I have been professionally writing and producing -- making money at it -- for 4 years. For whatever reason, I am in the void: not commercial enough for the bigs (which, as I was told by those guys, meant "not trance") and too tainted by exposure for the smaller labels. Whatever. Like I said, it is what it is. If I had humbled myself and produced the trance album they wanted, I might be rich and up to my eyeballs in fine foreign women today. As it was, I stood my ground, hoping to get picked up by a smaller label in the aftermath. Didn't happen. Rick Strom http://www.rick-strom.com http://www.glowdot.com -----Original Message----- From: Ishay Sommer [mailto:IshayS@Radware.com] Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:43 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising Why would an indie label negate communication with you because of your relation with a big label? did you try enough labels? (I am talking 400 - 500 here... not just sending 5 demos out and waiting for the girls to rush by your house with their mouth open...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Your problem might lie elsewhere. royal trux were on a major label, given major promotion, and lost major cash for Virgin. when they dropped Virgin, Drag City picked them up although yeah they did get bashed critically for their albums on virgin. - a On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 07:19 PM, Glowdot Dot Com wrote:

quoted 56 lines To answer your first question, please re-read what I originally wrote.

> To answer your first question, please re-read what I originally wrote. > I > completely lost whatever manufactured "hip-cred" I had earned for > myself, > which is not, I suppose, what smaller labels want to hear. > > As for the second question: I don't want to sound abrasive here, but I > was > signed to release through the largest record distributor in the world. > I > think I know (or at least knew) what I was doing. I have management, > PR and > even a few commercials for ca$h under my belt. I did not send out 4-5 > demos > and wait for the chicks to line up. I have been professionally > writing and > producing -- making money at it -- for 4 years. > > For whatever reason, I am in the void: not commercial enough for the > bigs > (which, as I was told by those guys, meant "not trance") and too > tainted by > exposure for the smaller labels. > > Whatever. Like I said, it is what it is. If I had humbled myself and > produced the trance album they wanted, I might be rich and up to my > eyeballs > in fine foreign women today. As it was, I stood my ground, hoping to > get > picked up by a smaller label in the aftermath. Didn't happen. > > Rick Strom > http://www.rick-strom.com > http://www.glowdot.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ishay Sommer [mailto:IshayS@Radware.com] > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:43 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] Funkadvertising > > Why would an indie label negate communication with you because of your > relation with a big label? did you try enough labels? > > (I am talking 400 - 500 here... not just sending 5 demos out and > waiting for > the girls to rush by your house with their mouth open...) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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andrew jones wrote:

quoted 6 lines Your problem might lie elsewhere.

> Your problem might lie elsewhere. > royal trux were on a major label, given major > promotion, and lost major cash for Virgin. when they > dropped Virgin, Drag City picked them up although > yeah they did get bashed critically for their albums > on virgin.

You have a great point: Royal Trux suck. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

actually my point was was on major label went to minor. and I like the trux =) peace, A On Friday, June 18, 2004, at 08:56 PM, Andrew Hime wrote:

quoted 18 lines andrew jones wrote:

> andrew jones wrote: > >> Your problem might lie elsewhere. >> royal trux were on a major label, given major >> promotion, and lost major cash for Virgin. when they >> dropped Virgin, Drag City picked them up although >> yeah they did get bashed critically for their albums >> on virgin. > > You have a great point: Royal Trux suck. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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--------- Original Message --------- DATE: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:19:00 From: <Mark.Nelson@zlbusa.com> To: <folkdevil_23@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc:

quoted 1 line Advertising pays for content the same way the ads on the >radio pay for licensing fees.

>Advertising pays for content the same way the ads on the >radio pay for licensing fees. A free "rag" is required to >cover all their costs with advertising. Or maybe they >should only publish content that is free. I'm sure Bill >Woodward would be glad to work for free and jettison the >corporate reins that kept him from writing anything of >value. Oh yeah, I forgot - he brought down a presidency >within the confines of a corporation. Even worse, a Warren >Buffet-owned corporation. By the way, I'd think I was cool >if hummer paid me for one of their ads. And I'd have a hell >of a lot more time to come up with good "content.

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