IDM Mailing Archive

2003-03-13 18:02Donald ThompsonHey All, I've been lurking here for quite awhile...but after all these posts I had to add

From:: Donald Thompson <orbitalr0x@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:02:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's

Hey All, I've been lurking here for quite awhile...but after all these posts I had to add my two cents. There is no way of getting around the fact that downloading music (especially full albums) is wrong. However, I believe there are many cases where downloading mp3's is alright. The first case would be remixes...nobody has brought this up yet! I for one do not have great income and I can barely afford to buy a few releases a month..if that. There's no way I could buy every release with an Autechre remix. So, do I just never get to hear these remixes...or do I download them? On that same note, I think it's really hard for IDM fans because so much good music continues to come out and most people cannot afford to purchase all the releases they want. So, they download some and buy others, instead of missing out on some. I think this is alright as long as the person is not cutting back on music purchases that they'd normally make. Anyways, it's a problem that isn't going to stop...and record labels will have to find ways to work around it (adding DVD's and special features). So, anyone in going to the WARP show in Chicago??? Message me off list if you are!!! Later, Don __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-03-13 18:17EggyToastDonald Thompson said: > Hey All, > > I've been lurking here for quite awhile...but after >

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:17:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's
Reply to:: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's

Donald Thompson said:

quoted 13 lines Hey All,

> Hey All, > > I've been lurking here for quite awhile...but after > all these posts I had to add my two cents. There is no > way of getting around the fact that downloading music > (especially full albums) is wrong. However, I believe > there are many cases where downloading mp3's is > alright. The first case would be remixes...nobody has > brought this up yet! I for one do not have great > income and I can barely afford to buy a few releases a > month..if that. There's no way I could buy every > release with an Autechre remix. So, do I just never > get to hear these remixes...or do I download them?

According to the labels and artists, you just wouldn't get to hear them. Another issue clouding this wonderfully black/white debate is the idea of out-of-print (OOP) releases. BOC Maxima was never released in record stores, but there are a few tapes out there. The MP3's are somewhat available. There's no other way of getting the music, and there's no talk whatsoever of re-releasing the album. Now, obviously, consumers have no "right" to the music, but if an album only exists on the used market OR as MP3, and the label refuses to do a repress, fans and labels should expect to see dupes available (and sold/given as dupes, no less) as there is a demand. Twoism was recently repressed, despite most people who cared about it having already heard the mp3's. There's no way of knowing if it affected sales or not, and warp's not releasing any numbers, but up until that point the ONLY way to hear that release was to buy a $300 piece o' wax from someone used or download the mp3's. Neither solution helped the label nor the artist. ironically, many of those OOP records still get very high prices on eBay despite being widely available as MP3. And there's still demand for repressing the record even after hearing the mp3's. It could be argued that people want it MORE after hearing what's on it. Of course, the opposite could be true, too. derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-03-14 08:51Andrew LewisOn Thu, 2003-03-13 at 20:02, Donald Thompson wrote: > Anyways, it's a problem that isn't g

From:: Andrew Lewis <andrew.lewis@techknowledgy.co.za>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: 14 Mar 2003 10:51:55 +0200
Subject:: Re: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's
Reply to:: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 20:02, Donald Thompson wrote:

quoted 3 lines Anyways, it's a problem that isn't going to

> Anyways, it's a problem that isn't going to > stop...and record labels will have to find ways to > work around it (adding DVD's and special features).

I f0kkn hate DVD. ;D (Although I bought the DVD of 'Even Dwarves Started Small' which iz one of tha greatest mewvies of all time and ofcorz I recommend it to every1; though I don't have a player) and I dun0, the format just annoyz me for some reason, perhaps it was the whole DeCSS drama or I duno y. Nehoo! Just wanted to point out that this is not a solution either: --- [2003/03/07] (CNN) -- Offering a glimpse of a faster digital future, researchers announced they have set a new Internet speed record. Scientists at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center used fiber-optic cables to transfer 6.7 gigabytes of data -- the equivalent of two DVD movies -- across 6,800 miles in less than a minute. --- blah blah Just means more interesting multim3dia war3z lark... But, umm, I for one am certainly not interested in releasing mixed-media stuff with my music for the most part.. ;) The solution really is making use of digital signing/rights management. The Microsoft/Intel Trusted Computing Platform Alliance will actually allow us to safely sell music to people over the internet without them being able to share it with their friends, as-well as all sorts of other great stuff, like being completely 0wned by M$, ect. ;D aHEaoheaoheAOheahaheaeo. Ok! Pip pip... Yor frend, Rodney --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-03-14 14:38EggyToastAndrew Lewis said: > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 20:02, Donald Thompson wrote: >> Anyways, it's

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggtastic.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:38:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's
Reply to:: Re: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's

Andrew Lewis said:

quoted 10 lines On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 20:02, Donald Thompson wrote:

> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 20:02, Donald Thompson wrote: >> Anyways, it's a problem that isn't going to >> stop...and record labels will have to find ways to >> work around it (adding DVD's and special features). > > I f0kkn hate DVD. ;D (Although I bought the DVD of 'Even Dwarves > Started Small' which iz one of tha greatest mewvies of all time and > ofcorz I recommend it to every1; though I don't have a player) and I > dun0, the format just annoyz me for some reason, perhaps it was the > whole DeCSS drama or I duno y. Nehoo!

I like the format, if for no other reason than it puts video in the same category of music in other ways, too. Certainly both are better than magnetic tape, for both clarity and easy of use (and not worrying about wearing out the tape after repeated use), but they also put that technology much more in the hands of consumers, instead of mostly manufacturers. Sure, you can buy blank cassettes and video tapes, but the technology for recording on to them is rather clumsy. In the digital realm, you can do things like, oh, edit! Not to mention the reduced quality of recording your own tapes compared to recording your own music/video. Not to mention that you can keep it all in a few small binders, zipped up :) -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ catchy signature coming soon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-03-14 15:02John GueninAre you kidding me? For video, digital's better than tape, no doubt... but you can't beat

From:: John Guenin <jgg3s@virginia.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:02:47 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's
Reply to:: Re: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's

Are you kidding me? For video, digital's better than tape, no doubt... but you can't beat the warmth and presence of vinyl. http://www.vinylvideo.com/ (Not to mention the scratching) At 09:38 AM 3/14/2003 -0500, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 17 lines I like the format, if for no other reason than it puts video in the same

>I like the format, if for no other reason than it puts video in the same >category of music in other ways, too. Certainly both are better than >magnetic tape, for both clarity and easy of use (and not worrying about >wearing out the tape after repeated use), but they also put that technology >much more in the hands of consumers, instead of mostly manufacturers. > >Sure, you can buy blank cassettes and video tapes, but the technology for >recording on to them is rather clumsy. In the digital realm, you can do >things like, oh, edit! Not to mention the reduced quality of recording your >own tapes compared to recording your own music/video. > >Not to mention that you can keep it all in a few small binders, zipped up :) > >-- >eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com >------ >catchy signature coming soon

--------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Re: [idm] New Ideas on MP3's