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2003-02-26 15:49John Reading [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
2003-02-26 16:11Greg Clow Re: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
2003-02-26 16:16John Reading RE: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
2003-02-26 16:32Greg Clow RE: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
2003-02-26 16:38John Reading RE: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
└─ 2003-02-26 16:47Aaron Meyers Re: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
└─ 2003-02-26 17:48ben gill [idm] reading skills
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2003-02-26 17:06John Reading RE: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio
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2003-02-26 15:49John ReadingThought you'd all be into this: SIRIUS IS SERIOUS ABOUT RADIO PURITY: Satellite Radio prog
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Thought you'd all be into this: SIRIUS IS SERIOUS ABOUT RADIO PURITY: Satellite Radio programmer gives the industry a piece of its mind. (Feb. 26, 2003) *Sirius Satellite Radio is about to give the industry a verbal pimp smack regarding the way radio hypes folks with the same old sound. Sirius began distributing a statement that calls out the industry for suspect deeds. The tabloid-sized document went to music executives by way of some guerilla marketers at Sunday's Grammy show, says the Hollywood Reporter. Plans also call for some of the 11 million manifestos that have been published to be mailed to industry executives with a "to whom it may concern" letter attached that reads, in part, "It's time to play music uncompromised by money, politics or corporate agendas. ... Those that stand in the way of music, always lose." http://www.eurweb.com/articles/headlines/02262003/headlines897902262003. cfm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-26 16:11Greg ClowAt 10:49 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote: >Thought you'd all be into this: > >SIRIUS IS SE
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At 10:49 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote:
quoted 8 lines Thought you'd all be into this:>Thought you'd all be into this: > >SIRIUS IS SERIOUS ABOUT RADIO PURITY: Satellite Radio programmer gives >the industry a piece of its mind. > >(Feb. 26, 2003) *Sirius Satellite Radio is about to give the industry a >verbal pimp smack regarding the way radio hypes folks with the same old >sound.
Is anyone actually buying into this supposed "anti-corporate" stance that Sirius is claiming to hold? I checked out their website, and found information about such "underground" and "cutting edge" programming as: - hours of Grammy-related programming on several of their channels - an upcoming "KISS weekend" celebrating the 30th anniversary of KISS - live broadcasts of NBA games - channels with names like The Rave and Planet Dance that represent "the non-stop energy of the club and rave nightlife" And then there are their various business partners like House Of Blues, Ford, Chrysler, ABC, NBC, Fox News, Disney... yeah, really fucking "underground". Why do people keep posting this crap here? Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-26 16:16John ReadingIt's a corporation no-doubt, but they do have a decent electronica channel and they have a
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It's a corporation no-doubt, but they do have a decent electronica channel and they have a couple unsigned band channels and play some good post-rock stuff. Don't be such an ass. The best part is that they have no commercials and aren't driven by ad revenues. There business is not so great now, but maybe after they get more subscriptions they could offer more "underground" programming. Sorry. Whether or not their programming is good for you or not, isn't it nice to at least hear that stance for a major corporation??
quoted 56 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Clow [mailto:greg@stainedproductions.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:12 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] SIRIUS: more on satellite radio > > > > At 10:49 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote: > > >Thought you'd all be into this: > > > >SIRIUS IS SERIOUS ABOUT RADIO PURITY: Satellite Radio > programmer gives > >the industry a piece of its mind. > > > >(Feb. 26, 2003) *Sirius Satellite Radio is about to give the > industry a > >verbal pimp smack regarding the way radio hypes folks with > the same old > >sound. > > > Is anyone actually buying into this supposed "anti-corporate" > stance that > Sirius is claiming to hold? > > I checked out their website, and found information about such > "underground" > and "cutting edge" programming as: > > - hours of Grammy-related programming on several of their channels > > - an upcoming "KISS weekend" celebrating the 30th anniversary of KISS > > - live broadcasts of NBA games > > - channels with names like The Rave and Planet Dance that > represent "the > non-stop energy of the club and rave nightlife" > > And then there are their various business partners like House > Of Blues, > Ford, Chrysler, ABC, NBC, Fox News, Disney... yeah, really fucking > "underground". > > Why do people keep posting this crap here? > > > Greg > > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: > greg@stainedproductions.com > ::::::::: concert & event promotions :::
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2003-02-26 16:32Greg ClowAt 11:16 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote: >Whether or not their programming is good for yo
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At 11:16 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote:
quoted 2 lines Whether or not their programming is good for you or not, isn't it nice>Whether or not their programming is good for you or not, isn't it nice >to at least hear that stance for a major corporation??
I actually have no problem with their programming. I don't expect major corporations like this one to give much coverage to truly underground music of any sort. And I actually like some popular and non-eletronic music, and often tune in to www.theiceberg.com to listen to some of their jazz, 50s/60s and 80s stations. What I *do* have a problem with is major corporations taking supposedly "underground" & "anti-corporate" stances in order to seem hip or cool. Do you really think that Sirius' stance here is anything more than a publicity stunt? They've printed up 11 MILLION of these "manifestoes" according to their press release. It's marketing, pure and simple. It's like Nike opening an "underground" nightclub in the area of town where lots of punks, artists & other freaks live and hang out (which is exactly what happened here in Toronto last summer). I view it as an insult to the underground artists, small-scale promoters, and ultra-indie record labels that ARE working at the street level, fighting to be heard through the barrage of corporate-sponsored garbage that is being thrown at people from every direction. But I'm just a crazy anti-corporate commie pinko, so don't mind me... Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-26 16:38John ReadingOk, the last thing I'll say about this. Yes, I see your point, but the fact that is that i
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Ok, the last thing I'll say about this. Yes, I see your point, but the fact that is that if you look at FM radio in the United States, SIRIUS is defiantely 180 degrees from that. Maybe they aren't underground, but they do have the "Left of Center" channel which is dedicated to unsigned bands. That alone is the most anit-corporate thing you could find on radio. Plus, they played BoC on the Vortex channel. ;P The manifesto is marketing, but then again wasn't the real Communist manifesto marketing? Fact is, everything is marketing... you should know. I'd rather here this kind of marketing, than the usual safe bets corps play.
quoted 52 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Clow [mailto:greg@stainedproductions.com] > > > At 11:16 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote: > > >Whether or not their programming is good for you or not, > isn't it nice > >to at least hear that stance for a major corporation?? > > I actually have no problem with their programming. I don't > expect major > corporations like this one to give much coverage to truly > underground music > of any sort. And I actually like some popular and > non-eletronic music, and > often tune in to www.theiceberg.com to listen to some of their jazz, > 50s/60s and 80s stations. > > What I *do* have a problem with is major corporations taking > supposedly > "underground" & "anti-corporate" stances in order to seem hip > or cool. Do > you really think that Sirius' stance here is anything more > than a publicity > stunt? They've printed up 11 MILLION of these "manifestoes" > according to > their press release. It's marketing, pure and simple. > > It's like Nike opening an "underground" nightclub in the area > of town where > lots of punks, artists & other freaks live and hang out > (which is exactly > what happened here in Toronto last summer). I view it as an > insult to the > underground artists, small-scale promoters, and ultra-indie > record labels > that ARE working at the street level, fighting to be heard > through the > barrage of corporate-sponsored garbage that is being thrown > at people from > every direction. > > But I'm just a crazy anti-corporate commie pinko, so don't mind me... > > > Greg > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: > greg@stainedproductions.com > ::::::::: concert & event promotions :::
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2003-02-26 16:47Aaron Meyers> > The manifesto is marketing, but then again wasn't the real Communist > manifesto marke
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quoted 5 lines The manifesto is marketing, but then again wasn't the real Communist> > The manifesto is marketing, but then again wasn't the real Communist > manifesto marketing? Fact is, everything is marketing... you should > know. I'd rather here this kind of marketing, than the usual safe bets > corps play.
The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no! Sure, parts were written to appeal to the sensibilities of the proletariat, but marketing is intrinsically linked to someone trying to turn a dollar. Marx and Engel were definitely not trying to sell out the lower class. And what Greg's problem seems to be is that the people at Sirius are commodifying this anti-corporate attitude for their corporate means. I think it sucks too, but it is a common practice in the advertising industry. Selling the images of subcultures and anything living in opposition to the mainstream is everywhere and its nothing new. But it still sucks. So congrats to Sirius for playing BOC tracks when Clear Channel won't, but they are still part of the problem. Until the solution comes along, I'll stick to WFMU's amazing 128kbs stream. -Aaron --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-26 17:48ben gillIt's hard for me to believe that someone who attends/has attended NYU can't read. I guess
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It's hard for me to believe that someone who attends/has attended NYU can't read. I guess another stereotype bites the dust. Ben --- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote:
quoted 8 lines The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no!> The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no! > Sure, parts were > written to appeal to the sensibilities of the > proletariat, but > marketing is intrinsically linked to someone trying > to turn a dollar. > Marx and Engel were definitely not trying to sell > out the lower class.
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2003-02-26 18:01Aaron MeyersOk, since you want to be a smart ass at my expense in front of the whole list, maybe you'd
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Ok, since you want to be a smart ass at my expense in front of the whole list, maybe you'd like to elaborate on exactly how I can't read. On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 12:48 PM, ben gill wrote:
quoted 28 lines It's hard for me to believe that someone who> It's hard for me to believe that someone who > attends/has attended NYU can't read. I guess another > stereotype bites the dust. > > Ben > > > --- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote: > >> The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no! >> Sure, parts were >> written to appeal to the sensibilities of the >> proletariat, but >> marketing is intrinsically linked to someone trying >> to turn a dollar. >> Marx and Engel were definitely not trying to sell >> out the lower class. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-02-27 02:51ben gillYour reply indicates that you don't understand my point (which means, unfortunately, that
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Your reply indicates that you don't understand my point (which means, unfortunately, that I think my original post is correct--you can't read). I included your communist manifesto comment to indicate the subject of my statement. The code to my apparently nebulous riddle is: you misread "manifesto" in the author's post. He didn't mean Marx and Engels. Very simple, isn't it? That you'd be so conncerned as to want me to clarify the point is alarming. Ben --- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote:
quoted 4 lines Ok, since you want to be a smart ass at my expense> Ok, since you want to be a smart ass at my expense > in front of the > whole list, maybe you'd like to elaborate on exactly > how I can't read.
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2003-02-26 17:06John Reading> -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Meyers [mailto:adm226@nyu.edu] > > The Communis
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quoted 2 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Meyers [mailto:adm226@nyu.edu]
quoted 7 lines The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no! Sure, parts were> > The Communist Manifesto was marketing? Ummm... no! Sure, parts were > written to appeal to the sensibilities of the proletariat, but > marketing is intrinsically linked to someone trying to turn a > dollar. > Marx and Engel were definitely not trying to sell out the lower class. >
sigh.... Marketing is about selling something, whether it be an idea or a product. Marketing is not evil. And Marx and Engels did it. So did Abbie Hoffman, Noam Chomsky, NPR, et al.
quoted 3 lines And what Greg's problem seems to be is that the people at Sirius are> And what Greg's problem seems to be is that the people at Sirius are > commodifying this anti-corporate attitude for their corporate > means.
Understood.
quoted 2 lines So congrats to Sirius for playing BOC tracks when Clear> So congrats to Sirius for playing BOC tracks when Clear > Channel won't, but they are still part of the problem.
I heard on Sirius while briefly checking it out: BoC Aphex Sea and Cake Dr. Ocatagon Scratch show tons of old school hip-hop They aren't owned by Clear Channel/AOLTime warner/VIACOM/anyotherbigbrothercompany Why are they part of the problem?? I think you need to get over the "too-cool for school" attitude that this list always seems to fall into. If you have a car and live in the U.S. I'd recommend this product, even if they "turn a buck." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-02-27 07:31Paul ResselI guess Sirius are going for the anti commercialism Diesal marketing technique,you know, "
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I guess Sirius are going for the anti commercialism Diesal marketing technique,you know, "we really understand alternative culture, we're hip and cool like you guys." Someone should tell them people worked that shit out out 20 years ago. The P has spoken. On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:11:42 -0500 Greg Clow (greg@stainedproductions.com) wrote:
quoted 6 lines At 10:49 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote:> >At 10:49 AM 26/02/03, John Reading wrote: > >>Thought you'd all be into this: >> >>SIRIUS IS SERIOUS ABOUT RADIO PURITY: Satellite Radio programmer
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quoted 3 lines the industry a piece of its mind.>>the industry a piece of its mind. >> >>(Feb. 26, 2003) *Sirius Satellite Radio is about to give the
industry a
quoted 1 line verbal pimp smack regarding the way radio hypes folks with the same>>verbal pimp smack regarding the way radio hypes folks with the same
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quoted 4 lines sound.>>sound. > > >Is anyone actually buying into this supposed "anti-corporate" stance
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quoted 3 lines Sirius is claiming to hold?>Sirius is claiming to hold? > >I checked out their website, and found information about such
"underground"
quoted 9 lines and "cutting edge" programming as:>and "cutting edge" programming as: > >- hours of Grammy-related programming on several of their channels > >- an upcoming "KISS weekend" celebrating the 30th anniversary of KISS > >- live broadcasts of NBA games > >- channels with names like The Rave and Planet Dance that represent
"the
quoted 3 lines non-stop energy of the club and rave nightlife">non-stop energy of the club and rave nightlife" > >And then there are their various business partners like House Of
Blues,
quoted 11 lines Ford, Chrysler, ABC, NBC, Fox News, Disney... yeah, really fucking>Ford, Chrysler, ABC, NBC, Fox News, Disney... yeah, really fucking >"underground". > >Why do people keep posting this crap here? > > >Greg > > > >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow :::
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