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2003-02-24 15:10Scott BurgerI am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose conservative city fathers already hate nigh

From:: Scott Burger <burp@mindspring.com>
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Date:: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:10:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: [idm] Nightclubs in trouble

I am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose conservative city fathers already hate nightclubs, had its daily paper run an editorial cartoon with Death waiting to pay a cover to get into a nightclub. Combine these latest tragedies with some of the already draconian, anti-youth laws going into effect and it does not take a genius to see that this industry is under the gun. Its too bad. Its a real shame, because with file-sharing and the major corporate labels losing tons of money (and not being able to pay all their lawyers), independent live music was poised to take on more stature up to this point. Now everybody is going to have to pay for more security guards and sprinkler systems. This is a great time to get involved and stand up in support of these small businesses. Go out this weekend and spend a few bucks at your favorite local muisc dive. Damn Great White. Thanks, Scott --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-24 15:26seeklektekFrom: "Scott Burger" > I am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose conservative city fa

From:: seeklektek <eclectic@attbi.com>
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Date:: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:26:00 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Nightclubs in trouble

From: "Scott Burger"

quoted 14 lines I am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose conservative city fathers

> I am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose conservative city fathers > already hate nightclubs, had its daily paper run an editorial cartoon with > Death waiting to pay a cover to get into a nightclub. Combine these latest > tragedies with some of the already draconian, anti-youth laws going into > effect and it does not take a genius to see that this industry is under the > gun. Its too bad. Its a real shame, because with file-sharing and the major > corporate labels losing tons of money (and not being able to pay all their > lawyers), independent live music was poised to take on more stature up to > this point. Now everybody is going to have to pay for more security guards > and sprinkler systems. This is a great time to get involved and stand up in > support of these small businesses. Go out this weekend and spend a few bucks > at your favorite local muisc dive. Damn Great White. > Thanks, > Scott

Excellent point: thank you for raising it. Here's a suggestion for Pacific Nortwesterners for tonight and tomorrow night: in Portland and Seattle: "Portland-area listmembers, please join us Monday, February 24th, at the Blackbird (www.theblackbird.org) for performances by four acts from the Phthalo label: Libythyth (Phthalo) 8 Frozen Modules (Phthalo, Orthlorng Musork) Gerald Wenzel (Phthalo, Application Specific, Obliq) Terminal 11 (Phthalo) this is our first presentation of out-of-towners for some time and Phthalo's first arrival in portland-- look forward to seeing you at what should be a great nite. show is $6.00 and 21+." and: Seattle: Tuesday, 2-25-03 Chop Suey: http://www.chopsuey.com/ then: Misoula, MT: 2-28 the Raven Cafe: http://www.theravencafe.com/ Los Angeles: 3-2 the Echo + PHTHALOCYANINE http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/events.html =seek= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-24 19:35Rusty H. HodgeYou don't see editorials pushing to close all toy stores because the roof of a Toys R Us c

From:: Rusty H. Hodge <rusty@hodge.com>
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Date:: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:35:37 -0800
Subject:: Re: [idm] Nightclubs in trouble

You don't see editorials pushing to close all toy stores because the roof of a Toys R Us collapsed in a snowstorm and trapped some people inside. It is a damn shame that nightclubs are being villified. How many people died in amusement parks over the last year? At least in San Francisco, all the venus already have to have fire sprinklers (as does just about every commercial space).

quoted 5 lines I am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose conservative city fathers

the

quoted 1 line gun. Its too bad. Its a real shame, because with file-sharing and the

> gun. Its too bad. Its a real shame, because with file-sharing and the

major

quoted 4 lines corporate labels losing tons of money (and not being able to pay all their

> corporate labels losing tons of money (and not being able to pay all their > lawyers), independent live music was poised to take on more stature up to > this point. Now everybody is going to have to pay for more security guards > and sprinkler systems. This is a great time to get involved and stand up

quoted 1 line support of these small businesses. Go out this weekend and spend a few

> support of these small businesses. Go out this weekend and spend a few

bucks

quoted 1 line at your favorite local muisc dive. Damn Great White.

> at your favorite local muisc dive. Damn Great White.

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2003-02-24 19:37Brett DietschOn Monday, February 24, 2003, at 02:35 PM, Rusty H. Hodge wrote: > You don't see editorial

From:: Brett Dietsch <elph@lawngnome.org>
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Date:: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:37:46 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Nightclubs in trouble
Reply to:: Re: [idm] Nightclubs in trouble

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 02:35 PM, Rusty H. Hodge wrote:

quoted 3 lines You don't see editorials pushing to close all toy stores because the

> You don't see editorials pushing to close all toy stores because the > roof of > a Toys R Us collapsed in a snowstorm and trapped some people inside.

you also dont see a toys-r-us filled at 3 times their legal capacity. if you did, im sure they'd be going after them as well.

quoted 3 lines It is a damn shame that nightclubs are being villified. How many

> It is a damn shame that nightclubs are being villified. How many > people > died in amusement parks over the last year?

i'll bet it was less than the number of people trampled trying to escape an overcrowded nightclub for one reason or another.

quoted 2 lines At least in San Francisco, all the venus already have to have fire

> At least in San Francisco, all the venus already have to have fire > sprinklers (as does just about every commercial space).

they also require licenses for pyrotechnics, just like.. well.. everyone else. if everyone would actually follow the rules, all would be well. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-02-25 04:02EggyToastAt 10:10 AM 2/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose co

From:: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:02:39 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] Nightclubs in trouble

At 10:10 AM 2/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 10 lines I am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose conservative city fathers

>I am concerned for nightclubs. Richmond, whose conservative city fathers >already hate nightclubs, had its daily paper run an editorial cartoon with >Death waiting to pay a cover to get into a nightclub. Combine these latest >tragedies with some of the already draconian, anti-youth laws going into >effect and it does not take a genius to see that this industry is under the >gun. Its too bad. Its a real shame, because with file-sharing and the major >corporate labels losing tons of money (and not being able to pay all their >lawyers), independent live music was poised to take on more stature up to >this point. Now everybody is going to have to pay for more security guards >and sprinkler systems.

My goodness, did you just say that sprinkler systems are stupid? These clubs should be equipped with this sort of crap already. Few other businesses are able to get away with it, so why should nightclubs be excepted? All modern movie theaters, even retrofitted ones, have clearly marked, easy to access exits in case something happens, and a good sprinkler system to protect from fires. And the row system implemented in theaters is MUCH worse in panic situations than a rather open nightclub. If any other public facility was operating in the manner that this nightclub was, they'd be shut down or fined heavily. The nightclub chose to disregard the rules, and now people are dead. Sounds like the owners have the problem, not the government. ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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