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2003-01-31 17:20Warren's Rectum> >Quoting Chispas De Muerte <generentropy@yahoo.com>: > > contain 23 tracks!The satanic m

From:: Warren's Rectum <idmlist@hotmail.com>
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Date:: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:20:24 +0000
Subject:: Re: [idm] boc

quoted 10 lines Quoting Chispas De Muerte <generentropy@yahoo.com>:

> >Quoting Chispas De Muerte <generentropy@yahoo.com>: > > contain 23 tracks!The satanic mason in me loves this. > > The 90's were all about hidden tracks, the new > > millinium is all numerology trickery! 2003 is here > > folks, better read up on your Robert Anton Wilson! > >While that crap is good for a quick cheap laugh, it takes forever to read, >and >is quite a distraction from actual reality...

I'm nearly finished with Wilson's 'Cosmic Trigger', and though this is my first(of hopefully many) literary experience(s) in these type of ideas, I'm almost certain that one of the main themes presented by Wilson and his colleagues is that reality is relative. So much so that you can choose or control it through a reporgamming of your perceptions.

quoted 7 lines It's even more insidious because

>It's even more insidious because >while you're reading it and "getting" all the references, you're under the >illusion that you're better off for avoiding the usual mainstream >distractions, >while instead all you've done is accepted an alternate dosage of the same >cultural opiate... >

I'm not sure if I understand you here...you're saying that the ideas presented by Wilson and his ilk are just something else to believe in, or no more relevent than other religous denominations or belief systems. By 'cultural opiate' I just assume you make reference to religion. If that is the point you're trying to make, I would personally have to disagree, although technically I suppose you're right. The difference I see, or at least the factors which lead me towards this 'belief' system rather than others, is that it's based on non-belief. To quote Wilson himself 'Belief is the death of intelligence', and from what I've grasped from 'Cosmic Trigger' the only thing Wilson truely 'believes' in is the development and advancement of personal and scientific understanding. The Numerology sutff is a bit hard to swallow, but I think Wilson takes it in support of Jung's collective consciouness, or 'syncronicities'. I'm a bit lost when it comes to these matter, but thats why I'm so excited to get hold of more literature on the subject. Anyway, err, sorry for spouting off like that. Nick _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-01-31 18:02adam@damek.orgQuoting Warren's Rectum <idmlist@hotmail.com>: > I'm not sure if I understand you here...y

From:: <adam@damek.org>
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Date:: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:02:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject:: [idm] Re: that Illuminatus crap...
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Quoting Warren's Rectum <idmlist@hotmail.com>:

quoted 5 lines I'm not sure if I understand you here...you're saying that the ideas

> I'm not sure if I understand you here...you're saying that the ideas > presented by Wilson and his ilk are just something else to believe in, > or no > more relevent than other religous denominations or belief systems. By > 'cultural opiate' I just assume you make reference to religion. If that

No. Media. Propaganda and distraction. The things that keep us from paying attention to what's going on in the world by convincing us that they're telling us what's going on in the world while in fact they are not. I know, I know, dem's fightin' words... Anyway, the whole "reality is relative" thing is good for a laugh until you're staring down the barrel of a gun. That's when it's time to make a decision... OK, that was rather cliche, I hate it when people say things like that, but it's true. Now, you can change your perceptions with regard to what you value - you can have certian ethics and values - but the reality to which you apply them isn't different just because you want it to be. Quick and dirty example - just because many people in the 10th Century in western Europe believed that Sol revolved around Terra doesn't mean that it actually did... OK, to completely disclose my bias, I've only read most of one Illuminatus book, and just personally felt it was complete and utter mental trash, and I just personally don't really enjoy that sort of thing. I understand that others do, but I wish such distractions would keep so many bright, capable individuals from realizing their potential and actually doing something in life. I could say the same about video games, yet I wasted 4 days last week playing Civilization 3 and Alpha Centauri and trying to make my linux box record video... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-01-31 19:01ben gill> Anyway, the whole "reality is relative" thing is > good for a laugh until you're > stari

From:: ben gill <gillette_foamy@yahoo.com>
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Date:: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:01:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Re: that Illuminatus crap...
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quoted 4 lines Anyway, the whole "reality is relative" thing is

> Anyway, the whole "reality is relative" thing is > good for a laugh until you're > staring down the barrel of a gun. That's when it's > time to make a decision...

Now that's grizzled! As the boys in Scion said at KUCI a few years back, "precisely." Ben __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2003-01-31 21:33JoAnnif you want a good read, I suggest reading Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World: Science

From:: JoAnn <joannrulez@yahoo.com>
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Date:: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:33:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] boc
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if you want a good read, I suggest reading Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" very profound book in terms of skeptical thinking and how to see through these flim-flams that others try to present supposedly through a "scientific" point of view. Although I dont know about Wilson or his numerology stuff, it sounds like the sort of thing, I would start out skeptical, do some research, experiment and then decide if it works, rather than go in completely openminded and be converted to some mumbo-jumbo which just gives you broad statements that could apply to anyone, ie. horoscopes --- Warren's Rectum <idmlist@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 70 lines Quoting Chispas De Muerte <generentropy@yahoo.com>:

> > > >Quoting Chispas De Muerte <generentropy@yahoo.com>: > > > contain 23 tracks!The satanic mason in me loves > this. > > > The 90's were all about hidden tracks, the new > > > millinium is all numerology trickery! 2003 is > here > > > folks, better read up on your Robert Anton > Wilson! > > > >While that crap is good for a quick cheap laugh, it > takes forever to read, > >and > >is quite a distraction from actual reality... > > I'm nearly finished with Wilson's 'Cosmic Trigger', > and though this is my > first(of hopefully many) literary experience(s) in > these type of ideas, I'm > almost certain that one of the main themes presented > by Wilson and his > colleagues is that reality is relative. So much so > that you can choose or > control it through a reporgamming of your > perceptions. > > >It's even more insidious because > >while you're reading it and "getting" all the > references, you're under the > >illusion that you're better off for avoiding the > usual mainstream > >distractions, > >while instead all you've done is accepted an > alternate dosage of the same > >cultural opiate... > > > > I'm not sure if I understand you here...you're > saying that the ideas > presented by Wilson and his ilk are just something > else to believe in, or no > more relevent than other religous denominations or > belief systems. By > 'cultural opiate' I just assume you make reference > to religion. If that is > the point you're trying to make, I would personally > have to disagree, > although technically I suppose you're right. The > difference I see, or at > least the factors which lead me towards this > 'belief' system rather than > others, is that it's based on non-belief. To quote > Wilson himself 'Belief > is the death of intelligence', and from what I've > grasped from 'Cosmic > Trigger' the only thing Wilson truely 'believes' in > is the development and > advancement of personal and scientific > understanding. The Numerology sutff > is a bit hard to swallow, but I think Wilson takes > it in support of Jung's > collective consciouness, or 'syncronicities'. I'm a > bit lost when it comes > to these matter, but thats why I'm so excited to get > hold of more literature > on the subject. Anyway, err, sorry for spouting off > like that. > Nick > >

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2003-01-31 22:32Charles FreemanIf you all are interested in Robert Anton Wilson and his colleagues you should check out o

From:: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com>
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Date:: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:32:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Robert Anton Wilson (was boc)
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