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quoted 20 lines happy new year, all the best...

>happy new year, all the best... > >a new year resolution: > >rephlex sent "i-D" magazine an A.R.T. records CD entitled " The >Philosophy of Sound & Machine" >"i-D" ran a full page pic of a rephlex 303 t-shirt and started >talking about "intelligent dance music", after warp's "artificial >intelligence" album an'that >ever since the raincoats have harped on about "intelligent dance music" >rephlex maintains that music concerns the heart and body at least as >much as the mind - so to counter this pidgeonhole, they harnessed >the natural energy of "braindance"!!!! > >all the time, people are complaining about the term "I.D.M" >- the people who invented it don't even listen to it > >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003 > >keep it locked :O)

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On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:58, nethed wrote:

quoted 23 lines this arrived from rephlex:

> this arrived from rephlex: > > >happy new year, all the best... > > > >a new year resolution: > > > >rephlex sent "i-D" magazine an A.R.T. records CD entitled " The > >Philosophy of Sound & Machine" > >"i-D" ran a full page pic of a rephlex 303 t-shirt and started > >talking about "intelligent dance music", after warp's "artificial > >intelligence" album an'that > >ever since the raincoats have harped on about "intelligent dance music" > >rephlex maintains that music concerns the heart and body at least as > >much as the mind - so to counter this pidgeonhole, they harnessed > >the natural energy of "braindance"!!!! > > > >all the time, people are complaining about the term "I.D.M" > >- the people who invented it don't even listen to it > > > >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003 > > > >keep it locked :O) >

hmmzt.. braindance sounds a little bit too much as the beard-wearing-world-music-with-pan-flute kinda thing to me. lay off the acid guys/girls. -- dwave --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Dude, what is this- 2003 or 1993? I've been hearing this argument for 10 years now and no matter how much any of us hate, despise, or are revolted by the term "intelligent dance music," it really seems like it's here to stay. Get over it. idm content- The 3" cd by Quinoline Yellow is worth tracking down. On SMAK Records and in some slick packaging, it's got 5 songs of some high quality punchy bass idm with slight hip hop influences. And finally someone who's figured out how to use the 3" cd format effectively- not 1 song at 20 minutes, not 15 songs at :60 secods each. It's just a 12" on cd.

quoted 19 lines this arrived from rephlex:

>this arrived from rephlex: > >a new year resolution: > >rephlex sent "i-D" magazine an A.R.T. records CD entitled " The >Philosophy of Sound & Machine" >"i-D" ran a full page pic of a rephlex 303 t-shirt and started >talking about "intelligent dance music", after warp's "artificial >intelligence" album an'that >ever since the raincoats have harped on about "intelligent dance music" >rephlex maintains that music concerns the heart and body at least as >much as the mind - so to counter this pidgeonhole, they harnessed >the natural energy of "braindance"!!!! > >all the time, people are complaining about the term "I.D.M" >- the people who invented it don't even listen to it > >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003 >

Does it revolt you? dave -----Original Message----- From: Albers, Brian [mailto:BAlbers@premiereradio.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:05 AM To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: [idm] idm = braindance Dude, what is this- 2003 or 1993? I've been hearing this argument for 10 years now and no matter how much any of us hate, despise, or are revolted by the term "intelligent dance music," it really seems like it's here to stay. Get over it. idm content- The 3" cd by Quinoline Yellow is worth tracking down. On SMAK Records and in some slick packaging, it's got 5 songs of some high quality punchy bass idm with slight hip hop influences. And finally someone who's figured out how to use the 3" cd format effectively- not 1 song at 20 minutes, not 15 songs at :60 secods each. It's just a 12" on cd.

quoted 19 lines this arrived from rephlex:

>this arrived from rephlex: > >a new year resolution: > >rephlex sent "i-D" magazine an A.R.T. records CD entitled " The >Philosophy of Sound & Machine" >"i-D" ran a full page pic of a rephlex 303 t-shirt and started >talking about "intelligent dance music", after warp's "artificial >intelligence" album an'that >ever since the raincoats have harped on about "intelligent dance music" >rephlex maintains that music concerns the heart and body at least as >much as the mind - so to counter this pidgeonhole, they harnessed >the natural energy of "braindance"!!!! > >all the time, people are complaining about the term "I.D.M" >- the people who invented it don't even listen to it > >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003 >

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quoted 12 lines From: "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com>

>From: "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com> >To: "'idm@hyperreal.org'" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] idm = braindance >Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:04:47 -0800 > > >Dude, what is this- 2003 or 1993? I've been hearing this argument for 10 >years now and no matter how much any of us hate, despise, or are revolted >by >the term "intelligent dance music," it really seems like it's here to stay. >Get over it. >

You are right. Don't sweat it,they (journalists and other word handling types)never come up with descent names for stuff...The press calls Micheal Jackson "Jacko" I'm sure he loves that...and "clicks and cuts" what the hell is that, it sounds like one of those haircut places in the mall. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't really matter what the hell it's called. A lot of really cool shit has horrible names...... P Pat _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Quoting Patrick Norris <untitledartist@hotmail.com>:

quoted 8 lines You are right. Don't sweat it,they (journalists and other word handling

> You are right. Don't sweat it,they (journalists and other word handling > types)never come up with descent names for stuff...The press calls > Micheal > Jackson "Jacko" I'm sure he loves that...and "clicks and cuts" what the > hell > is that, it sounds like one of those haircut places in the mall. > I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't really matter what the > hell it's called. A lot of really cool shit has horrible names......

Yeah, like pumpkins. I mean, what the fuck!? -Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003

> >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003 > >

I alway thought the term Braindance was stupid as all hell, and the Replex logo for it sucks it bigtime. I think we should argue this point for another 10 years! YEAH! DS _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003

> > >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003

quoted 4 lines I alway thought the term Braindance was stupid as all hell, and the Replex

> I alway thought the term Braindance was stupid as all hell, and the Replex > logo for it sucks it bigtime. > > I think we should argue this point for another 10 years! YEAH!

well, i for one, refuse to use a term coined by a record label where 80% of it's releases are crap. or at least i think so. flame on. -kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 12 lines please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003

>> > >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003 > >> I alway thought the term Braindance was stupid as all hell, and the Replex >> logo for it sucks it bigtime. >> >> I think we should argue this point for another 10 years! YEAH! > >well, i for one, refuse to use a term coined by a record label where >80% of it's releases are crap. >or at least i think so. > >flame on.

Yeah. They should be calling it "Brainfart" or something ;D derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

U-ziQ-Tango N' Vectif Astrobotia Squarepusher-Feed Me Weird Things Caustic Window Cylob-Cylobian Sunset D'Archangelo Shipwreck Oh my, such horrid crap ;) !!!!! Rob ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: kiya "i am a copier" babzani <denial@ix.netcom.com> To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [idm] idm = braindance

quoted 19 lines please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003

> > > >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003 > > > I alway thought the term Braindance was stupid as all hell, and the Replex > > logo for it sucks it bigtime. > > > > I think we should argue this point for another 10 years! YEAH! > > well, i for one, refuse to use a term coined by a record label where 80% of it's releases are crap. > or at least i think so. > > flame on. > > -kiya > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 10 lines U-ziQ-Tango N' Vectif

> U-ziQ-Tango N' Vectif > Astrobotia > Squarepusher-Feed Me Weird Things > Caustic Window > Cylob-Cylobian Sunset > D'Archangelo Shipwreck > > Oh my, such horrid crap ;) !!!!! > > Rob

first of all, almost all that stuff is OVER five years old... and yes, it's amazing stuff, some of the best idm releases ever. but, they're over five years old, and it's six releases amongst more than a hundred. i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the things they've released over the past five years has been laughable at best. -kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In the spirit of the IDM list: 80% of all IDM is crap. That being said, Rephlex is hitting par. Not bad! dave -----Original Message----- From: kiya "i am a copier" babzani [mailto:denial@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:27 AM To: idm list Subject: Re: [idm] idm = braindance

quoted 10 lines U-ziQ-Tango N' Vectif

> U-ziQ-Tango N' Vectif > Astrobotia > Squarepusher-Feed Me Weird Things > Caustic Window > Cylob-Cylobian Sunset > D'Archangelo Shipwreck > > Oh my, such horrid crap ;) !!!!! > > Rob

first of all, almost all that stuff is OVER five years old... and yes, it's amazing stuff, some of the best idm releases ever. but, they're over five years old, and it's six releases amongst more than a hundred. i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the things they've released over the past five years has been laughable at best. -kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

as opposed to, say, my releases for example - 100% stellar. Oh wait - I don't have any releases. Fuuuuuucccckkkkkk! JS

quoted 30 lines From: "kiya \"i am a copier\" babzani" <denial@ix.netcom.com>

>From: "kiya \"i am a copier\" babzani" <denial@ix.netcom.com> >To: "idm list" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] idm = braindance >Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:26:48 -0800 > > > U-ziQ-Tango N' Vectif > > Astrobotia > > Squarepusher-Feed Me Weird Things > > Caustic Window > > Cylob-Cylobian Sunset > > D'Archangelo Shipwreck > > > > Oh my, such horrid crap ;) !!!!! > > > > Rob > >first of all, almost all that stuff is OVER five years old... >and yes, it's amazing stuff, some of the best idm releases ever. >but, they're over five years old, and it's six releases amongst more than a >hundred. >i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the things >they've released over the >past five years has been laughable at best. > >-kiya > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 3 lines i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the things

> >i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the things > >they've released over the > >past five years has been laughable at best.

On a related note, what did people make of Bogdan Raczynski's 'Myloveilove'? i bought that probably about this time last year, and was kinda weirded out by it, yet interested. i think i only played it once, or skipped through it a few times, but never got very far into it at all. Its one of those ones i continually see when flicking throgh my CD's for something else, and think 'should i trade that?' but always put off actually getting rid of it, thinking that i have to at least give it another listen. -thor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I got "MyLoveILove" and wasn't all that turned on by it. Neat but didn't hit my IDM spot. Then I heard "Boku Mo Wakaran" and realized why Bogdan was getting written up so much - that one is KILLER!! Haven't heard his others but I still put on "Boku..." all the time ... dave -----Original Message----- From: thorsten Sideb0ard [mailto:thorsten@interphaze.org] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:49 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] idm = braindance

quoted 1 line i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the

> >i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the

things

quoted 2 lines they've released over the

> >they've released over the > >past five years has been laughable at best.

On a related note, what did people make of Bogdan Raczynski's 'Myloveilove'? i bought that probably about this time last year, and was kinda weirded out by it, yet interested. i think i only played it once, or skipped through it a few times, but never got very far into it at all. Its one of those ones i continually see when flicking throgh my CD's for something else, and think 'should i trade that?' but always put off actually getting rid of it, thinking that i have to at least give it another listen. -thor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i think it's a great album... it's strange, but the fact that he plays the instruments and sings so badly seems to make the album better to my ears... it's just so full of sincere pathetic emotion that it warms my icy heart... oh, and... braindance is a much better term than idm coz it references both the emotional aspect and the wanky production excess also... but i just call it electronic. skism

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> -----Original Message----- > From: thorsten Sideb0ard [mailto:thorsten@interphaze.org] > Sent: 03 January 2003 17:49 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] idm = braindance > > > > >i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most > of the things > > >they've released over the > > >past five years has been laughable at best. > > On a related note, what did people make of Bogdan Raczynski's > 'Myloveilove'? i bought that probably about this time last year, and was > kinda weirded out by it, yet interested. i think i only played it once, or > skipped through it a few times, but never got very far into it at all. > Its one of those ones i continually see when flicking throgh my CD's for > something else, and think 'should i trade that?' but always put off > actually getting rid of it, thinking that i have to at least give it > another listen. > > -thor > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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what's wrong with the term 'electronica'? it's a simpler, more ambiguous title that doesn't come with any of the pretension that 'IDM' does...

quoted 43 lines From: "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com>

>From: "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com> >To: "'idm@hyperreal.org'" <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: RE: [idm] idm = braindance >Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:04:47 -0800 > > >Dude, what is this- 2003 or 1993? I've been hearing this argument for 10 >years now and no matter how much any of us hate, despise, or are revolted >by >the term "intelligent dance music," it really seems like it's here to stay. >Get over it. > >idm content- > >The 3" cd by Quinoline Yellow is worth tracking down. On SMAK Records and >in >some slick packaging, it's got 5 songs of some high quality punchy bass idm >with slight hip hop influences. > >And finally someone who's figured out how to use the 3" cd format >effectively- not 1 song at 20 minutes, not 15 songs at :60 secods each. >It's >just a 12" on cd. > > >this arrived from rephlex: > > > >a new year resolution: > > > >rephlex sent "i-D" magazine an A.R.T. records CD entitled " The > >Philosophy of Sound & Machine" > >"i-D" ran a full page pic of a rephlex 303 t-shirt and started > >talking about "intelligent dance music", after warp's "artificial > >intelligence" album an'that > >ever since the raincoats have harped on about "intelligent dance music" > >rephlex maintains that music concerns the heart and body at least as > >much as the mind - so to counter this pidgeonhole, they harnessed > >the natural energy of "braindance"!!!! > > > >all the time, people are complaining about the term "I.D.M" > >- the people who invented it don't even listen to it > > > >please, let's call it braindance and get this party started for 2003 > >

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i prefer the simple and unfashionable term "electronics"....or "experimental electronics"....plain and simple. --- cath animon <cathanimon@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 72 lines what's wrong with the term 'electronica'? it's a

> > what's wrong with the term 'electronica'? it's a > simpler, more ambiguous > title that doesn't come with any of the pretension > that 'IDM' does... > > > > > > >From: "Albers, Brian" <BAlbers@premiereradio.com> > >To: "'idm@hyperreal.org'" <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: RE: [idm] idm = braindance > >Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:04:47 -0800 > > > > > >Dude, what is this- 2003 or 1993? I've been hearing > this argument for 10 > >years now and no matter how much any of us hate, > despise, or are revolted > >by > >the term "intelligent dance music," it really seems > like it's here to stay. > >Get over it. > > > >idm content- > > > >The 3" cd by Quinoline Yellow is worth tracking > down. On SMAK Records and > >in > >some slick packaging, it's got 5 songs of some high > quality punchy bass idm > >with slight hip hop influences. > > > >And finally someone who's figured out how to use > the 3" cd format > >effectively- not 1 song at 20 minutes, not 15 songs > at :60 secods each. > >It's > >just a 12" on cd. > > > > >this arrived from rephlex: > > > > > >a new year resolution: > > > > > >rephlex sent "i-D" magazine an A.R.T. records CD > entitled " The > > >Philosophy of Sound & Machine" > > >"i-D" ran a full page pic of a rephlex 303 > t-shirt and started > > >talking about "intelligent dance music", after > warp's "artificial > > >intelligence" album an'that > > >ever since the raincoats have harped on about > "intelligent dance music" > > >rephlex maintains that music concerns the heart > and body at least as > > >much as the mind - so to counter this > pidgeonhole, they harnessed > > >the natural energy of "braindance"!!!! > > > > > >all the time, people are complaining about the > term "I.D.M" > > >- the people who invented it don't even listen to > it > > > > > >please, let's call it braindance and get this > party started for 2003 > > > > > >

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Aaaahhh... but we IDMers love to be pretentious and "separate" from the rest of the music world. Didn't you know? -matT nashville.tn what's wrong with the term 'electronica'? it's a simpler, more ambiguous title that doesn't come with any of the pretension that 'IDM' does...

quoted 4 lines what's wrong with the term 'electronica'? it's a simpler, more

>what's wrong with the term 'electronica'? it's a simpler, more >ambiguous title that doesn't come with any of the pretension that >'IDM' does... >

Except that the construction of electronica turns a genderless classification into a feminized role, sparring directly with "Techno" (and its masculine overtones). The last thing I want to deal with when I talk about music is genderization issues :) That, and there already is an electronica genre. It's usually the place where groups like Air and other pop-based electronic music are grouped -- you know, the ones that aren't as edgy as "techno" yet aren't as repetitive as house nor trance. You can also place "fatboy slim" and "chemical brothers" in the electronica genre, if you look at it more broadly. Regardless, it's rather moot -- the people who know what you're talking about will largely not care about the terms you use, and the people who don't won't have any idea anyway ;) If you're picky about it, why add that "a" at the end? "Electronic" Nice and broad and about as useless as most other genre names. derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "donna summer" <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com> To: <BAlbers@premiereradio.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: RE: [idm] idm = braindance

quoted 2 lines I alway thought the term Braindance was stupid as all hell, and the Replex

> I alway thought the term Braindance was stupid as all hell, and the Replex > logo for it sucks it bigtime.

Naw dood. That logo is hard. A brain with some shoes. Damn. *thats crazy*. I bet that brain can like...dance or something. Industrial Dance Monkey IDM content: anybody heard Thee Vaporizer's album? Good stuff. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

And me, I allways thouth Fatboy Slim, and the Chemical Brothers were Big Beat, And electronica was just a umbrella term for all, or almost all, digital music....or for the digital music that can not be fit snugly into other catogories and is to poppy to be called experimental. one of the five anyway zach

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>From: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] idm = braindance >Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 13:44:54 -0500 > >>what's wrong with the term 'electronica'? it's a simpler, more ambiguous >>title that doesn't come with any of the pretension that 'IDM' does... >> > >Except that the construction of electronica turns a genderless >classification into a feminized role, sparring directly with "Techno" (and >its masculine overtones). The last thing I want to deal with when I talk >about music is genderization issues :) > >That, and there already is an electronica genre. It's usually the place >where groups like Air and other pop-based electronic music are grouped -- >you know, the ones that aren't as edgy as "techno" yet aren't as repetitive >as house nor trance. You can also place "fatboy slim" and "chemical >brothers" in the electronica genre, if you look at it more broadly. > >Regardless, it's rather moot -- the people who know what you're talking >about will largely not care about the terms you use, and the people who >don't won't have any idea anyway ;) > >If you're picky about it, why add that "a" at the end? "Electronic" Nice >and broad and about as useless as most other genre names. > >derek >-- >eggytoast.com >-------------- >commerce soon: eggtastic.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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My issue with the term 'IDM' isn't so much about the 'intelligent' part of the moniker. It's the 'dance' part that bothers me. Most of the 'IDM' I enjoy is not dance music at all. I even found a copy of SAW II in the dance section of a record store once. Come on. Calling this music 'dance' is what clueless, middle-class Phil-Collins-loving broadsheet-writers do.

quoted 4 lines It doesn't have that "My music is better than your music" feeling to it

> >It doesn't have that "My music is better than your music" feeling to it >tho' >[I prefer electronica as a term myself]

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what's wrong with phil collins? he's idm, isn't he? Haven't you ever heard the Invisible Touch album? -matT -----Original Message----- From: cath animon [mailto:cathanimon@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 7:12 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] idm = braindance My issue with the term 'IDM' isn't so much about the 'intelligent' part of the moniker. It's the 'dance' part that bothers me. Most of the 'IDM' I enjoy is not dance music at all. I even found a copy of SAW II in the dance section of a record store once. Come on. Calling this music 'dance' is what clueless, middle-class Phil-Collins-loving broadsheet-writers do.

quoted 4 lines It doesn't have that "My music is better than your music" feeling to it

> >It doesn't have that "My music is better than your music" feeling to it >tho' >[I prefer electronica as a term myself]

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whatever dude. "techno" call it all techno. no one wants to be called "techno". seriously. call it all "techno". click-hop, glitch-house, drill'n'bass, acid house, (l)owercase, abstract electronica, skip the middleman. "techno". when you tell people you like "abstract electronica" all they hear is "techno" anyway. skip the middleman. let me say everything at least twice. techno techno techno. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 12 lines U-ziQ-Tango N' Vectif

> > U-ziQ-Tango N' Vectif > > Astrobotia > > Squarepusher-Feed Me Weird Things > > Caustic Window > > Cylob-Cylobian Sunset > > D'Archangelo Shipwreck > > > > Oh my, such horrid crap ;) !!!!! > > first of all, almost all that stuff is OVER five years old... > and yes, it's amazing stuff, some of the best idm releases ever. > but, they're over five years old, and it's six releases amongst more than

a hundred.

quoted 1 line i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the things

> i'll say it again, 80% of rephlex's releases are crap. most of the things

they've released over the

quoted 1 line past five years has been laughable at best.

> past five years has been laughable at best.

then which ones are crap? transllusion? new d'arcangelo? astrobotnia 1,2,3? bogdan? normendau? bastien? ;-) i never heard a rephlex release that sucked! i was bored a little bit with all those dmx/ovuca/cylob/bogdan releases but i love them after all... it was only boring because there was so much of them... i was thinking "oh, no! not another bogdan (or cylob or whatever)!..." but when i heard it i was blown away! cheers miro --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Frankly, I don't give a slobbering dog carcass shite about labeling this music. If you can call it that. I think from now on, I'll just listen to abortions through a vocoder, and call it "partial birth blip hop". I enjoy the noise, and the sound, not the image or elistist fucking practice of making sure even less people understand what this is about by giving the music such obscure and ambiguous genre labels that even I am beginning to care less about discerning or using. IDM, Braindance, Electronica, Midget Shit Films...it's all the same. Why not stop thinking of names, and start thinking of more ways to improve upon this glorious aspect of sound that I still think is one the most important and impressive styles of music in this gigantic ball of cream pies. Bollocks. alex

nevertheless, alex, at some level, there is a general pattern involving certain musicians and the sounds they make, whether or not you care. Names aren't intrinsically bad things--often they are very helpful. Some people in the world hear about a type of music called "IDM" which involves certain bands associated with it and get curious--maybe they investigate and hear something they like. But if that nametag generalization didn't exist, that person would have to do a whole lot more work to find out about that music that you so obviously care a great deal about. Spread tha word mah brutha. Ben --- TheMachineSleeps@aol.com wrote:

quoted 27 lines Frankly, I don't give a slobbering dog carcass shite

> Frankly, I don't give a slobbering dog carcass shite > about labeling this > music. > If you can call it that. > I think from now on, I'll just listen to abortions > through a vocoder, and > call it "partial birth blip hop". > I enjoy the noise, and the sound, not the image or > elistist fucking practice > of making sure even less people understand what this > is about by giving the > music such obscure and ambiguous genre labels that > even I am beginning to > care less about discerning or using. > IDM, Braindance, Electronica, Midget Shit > Films...it's all the same. > Why not stop thinking of names, and start thinking > of more ways to improve > upon this glorious aspect of sound that I still > think is one the most > important and impressive styles of music in this > gigantic ball of cream pies. > Bollocks. > > > alex >

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quoted 8 lines Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:11:38 +0000

> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 18:11:38 +0000 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > From: "cath animon" <cathanimon@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: [idm] idm = braindance > Message-ID: <F96xbxfiIBFdtaFcFzr00024153@hotmail.com> > > what's wrong with the term 'electronica'? it's a simpler, more ambiguous > title that doesn't come with any of the pretension that 'IDM' does...

electronica is what it was/is called in the uk by the people that started it since about 91. what happened is that the american music marketing machine caught on to dance music rather late in the day (I know it's a big country but we are talking about 10 years after the fact) and lazily appropriated the term to tag white stadium pop/dance crossover like utah saints, prodigy, chems, fatboy etc. so the problem for a label now is that if they describe their output more correctly as electronica, it gets put in the wrong part of the shop, reviewed in the wrong part of the magazine etc. if the world is describing it as idm and people who who want to buy your kind of music are looking in the idm section in the store then you are kind of stuck with it - unless you have a huge marketing budget. or alternatively re-educate music journos, shops etc and reclaim electronica - an uphill battle as it's not news. but braindance sounds contrived to me - it's the i in idm that everyone hates so why talk about brains? (way too slimy and visceral for music also imo) I like the pythonesque logo tho and the fact that they refuse to bow to the might of US cultural imperialism ;) -- ed @ http://www.noiseloop.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org