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This might be slightly off topic but... How is everyone doing drum programming in cubase? I've used impulse tracker and buzz for about 4 years now, so I've gotten used to the good old computer keyboard for entering notes. But the sound quality (especially in IT) is seriously lacking and after messing around with cubase sx and some native instrument vsts I decided to bite the bullet and buy it. I also purchased a midi controller (evolution mk-249c2). The problem is that I'm finding its a huge pain in the ass to program any kind of intricate drum patterns. I'm using the drum editor, but still, drawing notes in with the mouse has got to be the least effecient way of data entry that anyone has ever invented. I know that I can also record midi from the midi keyboard and input the notes that way, but that doesn't help with 1/32 notes or triplets (and besides I'm an incredibly inept keyboard player) Sooo...after that long winded explanation of my problem...does anyone have any tips or tricks that make drum programming in cubase less of a hassle? Brandon __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines Well, I don't have a problem programming drums in

>Well, I don't have a problem programming drums in >general, just with cubase. In fact I usually struggle >with melodies while drum programming comes natural to >me, which makes cubase all the more frustrating >because I can't get my ideas out in a reasonable >timeframe.

See, I'm the same way. In fact, I have yet to find a decent software sequencer that's made mostly *just* for sequencing. They're nearly always geared more towards recording (for instance, I'd imagine the cubase drum editor would be fantastic recording the midi from a midi drum set), or using their own sounds (like audiomulch, orion, etc.). That's fine if you're doing everything in VSTs, but I'm using external hardware and it's just a pain to find software for something that should be easy.

quoted 11 lines I'd

>> I'd >> imagine there's also a way to step-record in cubase, >> so you'd be able >> to use that to input patterns from your keyboard and >> record hits and >> rests at every, say, 8th note. > >I think I saw something in the operation manual about >this, I'll take a look. I guess you could sketch out >the loop roughly and then modify it with in the editor >manually to clean it up.

I think it's what a lot of people do, and then, like you mentioned with trackers, just copy and paste and do slight modifications. It's an option, arguably one that's used pretty often anyway.

quoted 14 lines So what do you use to do your drum programming? The

>So what do you use to do your drum programming? The >main problem I've found with sequencers such as cubase >and reason is that they encourage loop based drum >programming. I think the reason for this is because >it's too much work to make subtle variations in each >new bar of music so a lot of people just cut and >paste. I know with impulse tracker (and buzz) it's >trivially easy to copy and paste a pattern, and then >modify that pattern to have some variations from the >previous pattern. I've resolved to master cubase >though, because hearing the quality of some of the >vst's (especially kontakt!) has convinced me that this >is the way to go, even if it is a little harder to get >used to at first.

I use an RM1x for all of my midi sequencing, actually. Sure, I can't see the entire track at once, and it's a little bit more difficult for matching everything up (so you have to use your ears, not your eyes), but it's a really fantastic sequencer. If there was a software version of the RM1x OS, or even just the sequencer, I'd *love* it. But everything just seems to want to ape cubase or logic or cakewalk/sonar. The only innovation for all-software sequencers seem to be algorithmic or highly theoretical sequencers, such as Softstep, and nothing for simply throwin' tracks down and making a song (one that isnt entirely loops). Some days I wish I could program :) Then I smack myself! I'm currently sold on hardware sequencers, simply because they're usually made for making music, not just recording sequences that are being played. For instance, the rm1x, MPC series, and the new emu command stations (mp7 and xl7) are basically glorified drum machines with a drum machine sequencing mentality. Their ability to sequence anything really gives them an edge, and since they're made for actually producing full tracks using just their interface, I really like them just as sequencers. I'm not trying to say that Cubase is bad, just that it's not for me. I can learn Illustrator, photoshop, premiere, CSS, wavelab/soundforge, and countless other media-oriented software over the course of a few days. So why does cubase always made me so frustrated when I try to put stuff together in it? I'd come back to it every 2-3 months or so, along with the other major sequencers, to see if I've learned anything different or if there's been a change in the program or in my mentality, only to come away thinking "why is this so hard? it shouldn't be hard." So that's me. May not be you, but after struggling with these programs for years, I've been very pleased (and productive) with hardware sequencers. My only complaint is the smaller interface :) derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- you'll shoot your eye out --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i have an oddly roundabout approach... i tend to design some sounds in reaktor, record to pro tools, chop em up, send them to reason's sequencer ( i still most prefer their step sequencing to anything else i've tried), then send the beats to protools for further editing. gregory ===== )the fawn )"i thought when i started playing )shows i'd meet a lot of really cool )people, but most of the people i've )met just want me to copy software )for them" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org