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Piehead Records Newsletter for October, 2002 Scroll down for info on OUR NEWEST RELEASE ::: PREVIOUS RELEASES ::: LIVE EVENTS ::: OTHER NEWS ::: ORDERING/SUBSCRIPTIONS ::: :::::::::::::::: OUR NEWEST RELEASE ::: The latest album in the Piehead Records 2002 limited edition series was released on October 11th and is now available for purchase (ordering details below): PIE009 : I Am Robot And Proud : _You Make Me This Happy_ I Am Robot And Proud (aka Shaw-han Liem) creates electronic music many people have tried to describe but few can pinpoint. An accomplished ear for melody helps to bring together tones and rhythms so fundamentally balanced and rational, they almost appear to have had no human input at all. The only element that disputes this theory is the actual, inherent humanity of the music. _You Make Me This Happy_ is a collection of remixes/reworkings that Shaw-han has produced/created for other artists from around the world, including The Uberkids, .tape., Stella Maris, Heidi Hazelton, Girls Are Short, GNG and Printed Circuit. Despite the disparate source material, all of the tracks manage to exhibit the unique sound and style that I Am Robot And Proud is rapidly becoming known for. ::: more info : http://www.pieheadrecords.com/releases/pie009.html ::: I Am Robot And Proud website : http://www.bloop.org/robot/ :::::::::::::::: PREVIOUS RELEASES ::: PIE008 : naw : _gibberish_ "gibberish serves up a generous slice of bouncy minimal techno with dub and experimental temptations... lovers of the minimal/experimental techno scenes will find interesting wizardry at work." [François Couture - All-Music Guide] ::: more info : http://www.pieheadrecords.com/releases/pie008.html ::: naw website : http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com/naw.htm PIE007 : Vague Terrain Recordings : _A Viable Alternative to Actual Sexual Contact_ "Ohhhhhh yeah... this has got to be one of my favorite albums this year. It has got to be one of the most thumpingly deep, pounding, and implicitly explicit recordings in my collection... the duo have easily out-grooved Boards of Canada with a super-charged verile take on the popularized style which makes the Scottish Warp superstars look like eunuchs." [Jon Whitney - The Brainwashed Brain] ::: more info : http://www.pieheadrecords.com/releases/pie007.html ::: ??? : http://www.google.com/search?q=Vague+Terrain+discography PIE006 : Multiplex : _Iroquois_ "The music of Multiplex is reminiscent of Arovane, Phonem and early Autechre, but is catchier. Multiplex also has its own distinct voice, often like a robot on the verge of a short circuit, due to the way they constantly push the envelope." [I. 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The really open-ended questions seem to bring out the best responses, so here goes: Who did you listen to /before/ you got into IDM? e.g. Depeche Mode, Bowie, etc. Not to say that you've necessarily stopped listening to those artists, but what was it that really got you going prior to your introduction to AFX, SQP, BoC, AE, K606 et al. Right. Next time I'll include more abbreviated latinisms (the OG emoticon). Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 8 lines The really open-ended questions seem to bring out

> The really open-ended questions seem to bring out > the best responses, so > here goes: > > Who did you listen to /before/ you got into IDM? > e.g. Depeche Mode, Bowie, > etc. >

New Order's "Low Life" was the first album to get me into "alternative music"... I then got into Depeche Mode. Then discovered the world of 12"/remixes- it amazed me how people transformed the songs of Depeche Mode or New Order into long wonderful voyages of music (ever hear Dub Vulture?- a Bside of New Order's SubCulture 12"- still to this date amazing!). Around the same time I discovered Kraftwerk's "Computer World" - and it all (instrumental electronic music) followed from there for me... -Thad ===== Thad Biggerstaff ~ReSource~ daht73@yahoo.com music/mixtapes for sale/trade at http://www.biggerstaff.homestead.com/ "Not to forget, I 'museumize' myself; so that then I pay myself a visit and find me again in all the relics, to hand down memories from one to the other, like a genealogical tree, as if it were morning!" - Massimo Toniutti "Everything is a sign of something greater than itself." - unknown __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The 'crossing over' seemed to occur for me between 1991-2 and '93-'94. Items acquired around '91-'92:- Cocteau Twins Curve Massive Attack New Order One Dove Peter Gabriel Slowdive U2 (n.b. Achtung Baby) Wire various 'world music' artists (e.g. Salif Keita, Youssou N'Dour) Items acquired around '93-'94:- Banco de Gaia Black Dog Dreadzone Seefeel Orbital Pentatonik The Orb Trance Europe Express compilations [;-)] various 'world ambient/ethnotrance' (e.g. Loop Guru, Transglobal Underground) alan/beyond...sound Quoting Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net>:

quoted 21 lines The really open-ended questions seem to bring out the best responses, so

> The really open-ended questions seem to bring out the best responses, so > here goes: > > Who did you listen to /before/ you got into IDM? e.g. Depeche Mode, Bowie, > etc. > > Not to say that you've necessarily stopped listening to those artists, but > what was it that really got you going prior to your introduction to AFX, > SQP, BoC, AE, K606 et al. > > Right. > Next time I'll include more abbreviated latinisms (the OG emoticon). > > Tom > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Hi. I was loving Depeche Mode, Meat Beat Manifesto, the Cure, Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, New Order, the Smiths, Ministry, Siouxie. During this time I was into Chicago's teen goth/dance scene (Medusas! Photon!) which exposed me to Chicago House and Wax Trax! label stuff. I came across Laurie Anderson's 1982 Big Science in high school and that was a HUGE influence on me. I found Aphex Twin through a remix he did of a Meat Beat Manifesto track. About a year later, the sister of someone who worked at Caroline gave me a promo of Mu-ziq VS. The Auteurs which led me to early Astralwerks which led me to early Warp which led me to this list which leads me most everywhere else nowadays. On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 10:44 PM, Thomas Millar wrote:

quoted 3 lines The really open-ended questions seem to bring out the best responses,

> The really open-ended questions seem to bring out the best responses, > so > here goes:

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quoted 14 lines The really open-ended questions seem to bring out the best responses, so

>The really open-ended questions seem to bring out the best responses, so >here goes: > >Who did you listen to /before/ you got into IDM? e.g. Depeche Mode, Bowie, >etc. > >Not to say that you've necessarily stopped listening to those artists, but >what was it that really got you going prior to your introduction to AFX, >SQP, BoC, AE, K606 et al. > >Right. >Next time I'll include more abbreviated latinisms (the OG emoticon). > >Tom

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Wow, I came from the opposite end of the spectrum. I was heavily into hardcore rock stuff like sepultura, morbid angel, slayer, will haven, training for utopia, deftones, vision of disorder and other stuff like that. I was in a few bands in high school, and I ended up getting into electronic music (and then by extension IDM) around my junior year. The people in my band sucked and I found out through a few friends online about impulse tracker and the whole tracker scene. From there I first started hearing some electronic tracks (although most of them really sucked). I think roni size's newforms was the first electronic cd I bought. After that, it was all downhill. Even though I still enjoy rock occasionally, there just seems to be only so much you can do with guitars, bass, drums, and vocals. I'm much more interested in the infinite variety of sounds and textures of any good idm track. Brandon --- Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net> wrote:

quoted 22 lines The really open-ended questions seem to bring out

> The really open-ended questions seem to bring out > the best responses, so > here goes: > > Who did you listen to /before/ you got into IDM? > e.g. Depeche Mode, Bowie, > etc. > > Not to say that you've necessarily stopped listening > to those artists, but > what was it that really got you going prior to your > introduction to AFX, > SQP, BoC, AE, K606 et al. > > Right. > Next time I'll include more abbreviated latinisms > (the OG emoticon). > > Tom > > >

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Coil Godflesh Skinny Puppy Nick Cave NWA Public Enemy The DOC Tom Waits Propagandhi NOFX Bad Religion Operation Ivy Screeching Weasel Ministry & other Wax Trax! shtuff Frontline Assembly/Delerium/Intermix Deftones Sisters of Mercy blah. -- JA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 18 lines Wow, I came from the opposite end of the spectrum. I

>Wow, I came from the opposite end of the spectrum. I >was heavily into hardcore rock stuff like sepultura, >morbid angel, slayer, will haven, training for utopia, >deftones, vision of disorder and other stuff like >that. I was in a few bands in high school, and I >ended up getting into electronic music (and then by >extension IDM) around my junior year. The people in >my band sucked and I found out through a few friends >online about impulse tracker and the whole tracker >scene. From there I first started hearing some >electronic tracks (although most of them really >sucked). I think roni size's newforms was the first >electronic cd I bought. After that, it was all >downhill. Even though I still enjoy rock >occasionally, there just seems to be only so much you >can do with guitars, bass, drums, and vocals. I'm >much more interested in the infinite variety of sounds >and textures of any good idm track.

I was listening to stuff like Tears for Fears, then found out that they weren't really doing anything anymore. Then I was listening to Crowded House, and found that they also pretty much stopped doing stuff. I realized through listening to them that good lyrics are hard to find, and so I stopped caring for lyrics shortly thereafter. I was then listening to Phish, but started to dislike them after finding out how atrocious their live scene is and how boring and annoying the average Phish fan is (not to mention the near necessity of drugs among their fans, which I didn't and don't do). Their studio albums had a lot of interesting things going on, though, and it got me more into appreciating music and the sounds of the music. It also helped me realize how much I hated songs that just repeated and repeated without change, as a jam-oriented band changes stuff up a lot. So now I was like 16 and I picked up some nine inch nails stuff and despite how awful "pretty hate machine" was, the other stuff was interesting and got me more into electronic stuff and, obviously, aphex twin and then blah blah. and yeah, I think one of the things that did it for me was the rather limited sound palate used in most popular or commercial oriented music, and discovering that there *were* people who made stuff that sounded good regardless of how approachable it was was fantastic. It's funny, too, because I *still* know people who listen to rather normal rock-oriented music and hear an effect and think "wow, that's a cool effect, I'd love to hear it used more," and then, of course, hearing a song that uses that effect in entirely interesting and worthwhile ways throughout the song and builds different sounds through that effect (like, say, granular synthesis or even just creative sampling) and only comment "yeah, that's neat, but I don't reall like it." I think a lot of it has to do with the stuff associated with the music, either a well-known name for some people or non-standard countries (like that atrocious french hip hop, ugh!), that gets people into music. I've been enjoying IDM and the IDM-list for years now, most thankfully due to the fact that there are people in the "scene" that are interested in hearing new music by new people and listen based entirely on the music, not on the on-stage antics or the history of the lead singer or how cool they are in the college rawk scene. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I was born in 1972, and i listened to hard rock initially (Blue Cheer and Kiss). Mom bought Kiss' Love Gun home for me out of the blue and i loved the cover, so that was my first real album that i could call my own. I will always remember when i brought my Ace Frehley solo album to Show and Tell in Grade 1! A girl bumped me with her elbow because she had to show whatever she brought first and the album fell out of the sleeve and the first 2 minutes of Rip it Out and New York Groove cracked off the LP! When i was around 12, i started getting into Black Sabbath and Iron Maiden, and shortly after that was Celtic Frost and Metallica (around 1984-5). I was into speed/death metal for a few years and i also started to like old psychedelic stuff like The Doors, Led Zeppelin, and King Crimson. King Crimson's Three of a Perfect Pair was very influential to me at the age of 16-17 and i started listening to Skinny Puppy around this time. These two artists were the first i've heard of that you couldn't physically play the drums for. Hilt's Call the Ambulance (Before I Hurt Myself) also did this, and it mixed the aggression of industrial and thrash with some electronic additives and was also very influencial (1989). I also came across Nine Inch Nails' Pretty Hate Machine, which had a lot of electronics in it and was influenced by pop/structure. Also, i fell in love with all things "the Cure" and bought about a dozen of thier cassettes within about 6 months of hearing "Lovesong" on the radio while being driven to school by a friend. So by the time i finished high school, i was listening to Nine Inch nails, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, The Cure, Metallica, Skinny Puppy, etc. My uncle had a few releases by the Orb and some old compilations with React 2 Rhythm and stuff on it, and i made a mixed cassette for myself (1993). I then bought Orb's "Adventures..." and Orbital's "Diversions" within a few months, and also heard the compilation "In Order to Dance 4" shortly after i moved to Vancouver (1994). This release was sooo good at the time and it was very influential on future purchases because it had Aphex Twin's Digeridoo on one cd and Analogue Bubblebath on the other. It had FSOL's Papua New Guinea on it too! It also had CJ Bolland, Electrotete, the Infinite Wheel, Dave Angel, etc among the two discs. It really branched out from there, and i picked up Aphex Twin's "... I Care Because You Do" shortly after that and i was officially hooked for good. :) Troy (sorry so long-winded for my first msg to this list). ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Millar To: idm@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:14 AM Subject: [idm] Music #2 The really open-ended questions seem to bring out the best responses, so here goes: Who did you listen to /before/ you got into IDM? e.g. Depeche Mode, Bowie, etc. Not to say that you've necessarily stopped listening to those artists, but what was it that really got you going prior to your introduction to AFX, SQP, BoC, AE, K606 et al. Right. Next time I'll include more abbreviated latinisms (the OG emoticon). Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

ok - this thread is becoming pathetic. The correct answer to what you listened to before idm is Detroit techno. Everything else is off topic. wrote:

quoted 2 lines Mom bought Kiss' Love Gun home for me out of the blue and i loved the cover,

> >Mom bought Kiss' Love Gun home for me out of the blue and i loved the cover,

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detroit techno is lame. (modern black man.s soul music indeed). .d: (derrick carter can get bent). --- Chris Twomey <newpower@interlog.com> wrote:

quoted 10 lines ok - this thread is becoming pathetic. The correct

> ok - this thread is becoming pathetic. The correct > answer to what you listened to before > idm is Detroit techno. Everything else is off topic. > > wrote: > > > >Mom bought Kiss' Love Gun home for me out of the > blue and i loved the cover, > >

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on 10/24/02 5:40 AM, deadend SYNTHETIC at deadendsynthetic@yahoo.com wrote:

quoted 4 lines detroit techno is lame. (modern black man.s soul music

> detroit techno is lame. (modern black man.s soul music > indeed). > .d: > (derrick carter can get bent).

I'm sorry, I guess Carl Craig doesn't bitch and moan enough for you. Perhaps you'd better go back to Messrs. Corgan & Reznor. For reference, Mr. SYNTHETIC's little list of loves: beatles--->simon and garfunkel--->the who--->led zeppelin--->nirvana--->smashing pumpkins--->black sabbath--->sebadoh--->guided by voices--->superchunk--->the velvet underground--->hum--->my bloody valentine--->nin--->aphex twin--->autechre--->mouse on mars--->tortoise--->joan of arc--->oval--->fennesz--->pita (etc). Why don't you talk about black people and soul music some more, 'deadend'. You seem to be well versed in such matters... OZ-ZY! OZ-ZY! By the way, please, please, please don't record anything under your list nick. IDM is stigmatized enough as is. Tom --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

OMG! FIGHT FIGHT!!!!! IDM-L DEATHMATCH! On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 01:18 PM, Thomas Millar wrote:

quoted 38 lines on 10/24/02 5:40 AM, deadend SYNTHETIC at deadendsynthetic@yahoo.com

> on 10/24/02 5:40 AM, deadend SYNTHETIC at deadendsynthetic@yahoo.com > wrote: > >> detroit techno is lame. (modern black man.s soul music >> indeed). >> .d: >> (derrick carter can get bent). > > I'm sorry, I guess Carl Craig doesn't bitch and moan enough for you. > Perhaps you'd better go back to Messrs. Corgan & Reznor. > > For reference, Mr. SYNTHETIC's little list of loves: > > beatles--->simon and garfunkel--->the who--->led > zeppelin--->nirvana--->smashing pumpkins--->black > sabbath--->sebadoh--->guided by > voices--->superchunk--->the velvet > underground--->hum--->my bloody > valentine--->nin--->aphex twin--->autechre--->mouse on > mars--->tortoise--->joan of > arc--->oval--->fennesz--->pita (etc). > > Why don't you talk about black people and soul music some more, > 'deadend'. > You seem to be well versed in such matters... OZ-ZY! OZ-ZY! > > > By the way, please, please, please don't record anything under your > list > nick. IDM is stigmatized enough as is. > > Tom > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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--- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote:

quoted 6 lines Why don't you talk about black people and soul

> > Why don't you talk about black people and soul > music some more, > > 'deadend'. > > You seem to be well versed in such matters... > OZ-ZY! OZ-ZY! > >

i don't think that i quite understood deadend synthetic or his comments regarding detroit techno and black people and how that statement sounded a bit racist. i myself don't care for detroit techno... i don't remember who it was but someone was saying that it might sound dated to people who didn't grow up with it... i was merely a nestling in its heyday and so find myself wanting more to happen in the song... but then i am no terry riley fan either... there's very little repetitive mustic i do like other than some housey stuff. BUUUUUT... i don't think you can blame him for what he listened to... just because he hasn't been "WITH IT" for all that long doesn't make his tastes any less valid... to stigmatize people who liked the smashing pumpkins or nine inch nails or whatever is a form of prejudice... those bands were on mtv and they presented the only image of something different from the mainstream (in imagery and attitude) to kids who didn't have any other way to learn about other forms of music than watching 120 minutes. beyond that, the same could be said for anybody and whatever music they like... i had a girlfriend once who called the music that i listened to artfag music, said in a somewhat affectionate fashion, and she listened to pop crap... but it didn't prevent us from relating... because she enjoyed some of that music in the same way that i enjoyed some of my music... the actual music itself is usually neither here nor there, it's the passion that matters. gregory fuck snobbery. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

what the fuck is this? fuck snobbery? is this not snobbery? why do you think that when you find yourself in love with IDM you are suddenly "with it" musically? aren.t you "with it" when you fall in love with your first song? this is exactly what pisses me off about IDM folk ,they think that they.re corner of the universe is somehow more advanced than everybody else.s ,just because i quoted derrick carter ,i get my entire fucking litany of music loves called into question? fuck all y.all. .d: www.littlegirlempire.com and for the record ,120 minutes was a great show in the mid90s ,i found huge amounts of good music through those bands ,or the bands that they listened to. so what exactly is unhip about that? because i wasn.t sitting in a bar listening to the first IDM guys punch buttons on their samplers? wow. --- "J.P.L'asthme Fawn" <ignorantdancemusic@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> > --- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote: > > > Why don't you talk about black people and soul > > music some more, > > > 'deadend'. > > > You seem to be well versed in such matters... > > OZ-ZY! OZ-ZY! > > > > > > i don't think that i quite understood deadend > synthetic > or his comments regarding detroit techno and black > people and how that statement sounded a bit racist. > i > myself don't care for detroit techno... i don't > remember who it was but someone was saying that it > might sound dated to people who didn't grow up with > it... i was merely a nestling in its heyday and so > find myself wanting more to happen in the song... > but > then i am no terry riley fan either... there's very > little repetitive mustic i do like other than some > housey stuff. > BUUUUUT... i don't think you can blame him for what > he listened to... just because he hasn't been "WITH > IT" > for all that long doesn't make his tastes any less > valid... to stigmatize people who liked the smashing > pumpkins or nine inch nails or whatever is a form of > prejudice... those bands were on mtv and they > presented > the only image of something different from the > mainstream (in imagery and attitude) to kids who > didn't > have any other way to learn about other forms of > music > than watching 120 minutes. beyond that, the same > could > be said for anybody and whatever music they like... > i had a girlfriend once who called the music that i > listened to artfag music, said in a somewhat > affectionate fashion, and she listened to pop > crap... > but it didn't prevent us from relating... because > she > enjoyed some of that music in the same way that i > enjoyed some of my music... the actual music itself > is usually neither here nor there, it's the passion > that matters. > > gregory > > fuck snobbery. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > >

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did you even read my post at all? the point of the post was not to say that idm is the be all end all, or that any genre is for that matter, but that what's most important is to passionately enjoy the music (or, fuck, if you don't like music, have passion for something). it said that 120 minutes was a great show. i agree. why don't you read the post again? it's attatched below... no need to get your defenses up... i wasn't putting you down, if anything i was defending your viewpoint, or right to them, more correctly. gregory --- deadend SYNTHETIC <deadendsynthetic@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 5 lines what the fuck is this? fuck snobbery? is this not

> what the fuck is this? fuck snobbery? is this not > snobbery? why do you think that when you find > yourself > in love with IDM you are suddenly "with it" > musically?

etc, etc...

quoted 78 lines --- "J.P.L'asthme Fawn"

> --- "J.P.L'asthme Fawn" > <ignorantdancemusic@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > --- Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote: > > > > Why don't you talk about black people and soul > > > music some more, > > > > 'deadend'. > > > > You seem to be well versed in such matters... > > > OZ-ZY! OZ-ZY! > > > > > > > > > > i don't think that i quite understood deadend > > synthetic > > or his comments regarding detroit techno and black > > > people and how that statement sounded a bit > racist. > > i > > myself don't care for detroit techno... i don't > > remember who it was but someone was saying that it > > might sound dated to people who didn't grow up > with > > it... i was merely a nestling in its heyday and so > > find myself wanting more to happen in the song... > > but > > then i am no terry riley fan either... there's > very > > little repetitive mustic i do like other than some > > housey stuff. > > BUUUUUT... i don't think you can blame him for > what > > he listened to... just because he hasn't been > "WITH > > IT" > > for all that long doesn't make his tastes any less > > valid... to stigmatize people who liked the > smashing > > pumpkins or nine inch nails or whatever is a form > of > > prejudice... those bands were on mtv and they > > presented > > the only image of something different from the > > mainstream (in imagery and attitude) to kids who > > didn't > > have any other way to learn about other forms of > > music > > than watching 120 minutes. beyond that, the same > > could > > be said for anybody and whatever music they > like... > > i had a girlfriend once who called the music that > i > > listened to artfag music, said in a somewhat > > affectionate fashion, and she listened to pop > > crap... > > but it didn't prevent us from relating... because > > she > > enjoyed some of that music in the same way that i > > enjoyed some of my music... the actual music > itself > > is usually neither here nor there, it's the > passion > > that matters. > > > > gregory > > > > fuck snobbery. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > >

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===== )the fawn )"i thought when i started playing )shows i'd meet a lot of really cool )people, but most of the people i've )met just want me to copy software )for them" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines I'm sorry, I guess Carl Craig doesn't bitch and moan

>I'm sorry, I guess Carl Craig doesn't bitch and moan >enough for you. >Perhaps you'd better go back to Messrs. Corgan & Reznor. > >For reference, Mr. SYNTHETIC's little list of loves:

Glass houses. Stones. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Jerks who didn't put out a Proem record. ;) On Thursday, October 24, 2002, at 02:44 PM, Andrew Hime wrote:

quoted 11 lines I'm sorry, I guess Carl Craig doesn't bitch and moan enough for you.

>> I'm sorry, I guess Carl Craig doesn't bitch and moan enough for you. >> Perhaps you'd better go back to Messrs. Corgan & Reznor. >> >> For reference, Mr. SYNTHETIC's little list of loves: > > Glass houses. Stones. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:50:20 -0400 Aaron Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote:

quoted 1 line Jerks who didn't put out a Proem record. ;)

>Jerks who didn't put out a Proem record. ;)

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what i said was a quote from derrick carter. he called detroit techno modern black man.s soul music ,i was just quoting him. and i think the moniker fairly suits IDM at this stage ,dontcha? thas why i don.t make IDM music. it is just a breeding ground for Wantechre.s the world over. ha. i don.t see why i get called on my teenshit ,you didn.t seem too concerned with like throbbing gristle or metallica in half of everybody else.s posts...whatever. you can get bent too. .d: www.littlegirlempire.com --- Thomas Millar <tmillar@comcast.net> wrote:

quoted 40 lines on 10/24/02 5:40 AM, deadend SYNTHETIC at

> on 10/24/02 5:40 AM, deadend SYNTHETIC at > deadendsynthetic@yahoo.com wrote: > > > detroit techno is lame. (modern black man.s soul > music > > indeed). > > .d: > > (derrick carter can get bent). > > I'm sorry, I guess Carl Craig doesn't bitch and moan > enough for you. > Perhaps you'd better go back to Messrs. Corgan & > Reznor. > > For reference, Mr. SYNTHETIC's little list of loves: > > beatles--->simon and garfunkel--->the who--->led > zeppelin--->nirvana--->smashing pumpkins--->black > sabbath--->sebadoh--->guided by > voices--->superchunk--->the velvet > underground--->hum--->my bloody > valentine--->nin--->aphex twin--->autechre--->mouse > on > mars--->tortoise--->joan of > arc--->oval--->fennesz--->pita (etc). > > Why don't you talk about black people and soul music > some more, 'deadend'. > You seem to be well versed in such matters... OZ-ZY! > OZ-ZY! > > > By the way, please, please, please don't record > anything under your list > nick. IDM is stigmatized enough as is. > > Tom > > >

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quoted 7 lines deadend SYNTHETIC: I never likes detroit techno, fuck you

> deadend SYNTHETIC: I never likes detroit techno, fuck you > Me: Prick! Take that, ha ha! And think twice next time. > Fawn: Hey. Prejudice is no answer for prejudice. > <beat> > Hime: I'm not a jerk, I was poor. > > Andrew Hime and his antagonist get points for most nonsequituresque

remarks

quoted 3 lines of the month.

> of the month. > > Also, I want to know if Mr. Hime has ever tried to use that line on a

female

quoted 1 line acquaintance, and if it worked, because the rest of us here with the

> acquaintance, and if it worked, because the rest of us here with the

penises

quoted 1 line could get a lot of mileage out of that one, yessiree.

> could get a lot of mileage out of that one, yessiree.

I don't do female.

quoted 5 lines Her: You forgot my birthday/our anniversary/Valentine's/etc. AGAIN! CREEP!

> Her: You forgot my birthday/our anniversary/Valentine's/etc. AGAIN! CREEP! > JERK! > Dude: I'm not a jerk, I was poor. > > Word.

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