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quoted 13 lines --- if you thought

> --- if you thought > > "metropolis" and "nighttime > > world vol. 2." were the finest achievements by > their > > respective artists, you > > might like it. however, if you're like me, and can > > easily see that these > > guys are not progressing, but actually > > REGRESSING-the shit sounds dated and > > tepid before it hits the shelves, whereas the > older > > material still sounds > > great

you have just reminded me how much i HATE nighttime world volume 2! it was completely disappointing. it is one of the worst cds i own. cheers for the warning about the drexciya, i was going to buy it just out of curiosity, i will give it a WIDE berth. -thomas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines Wow, that's pretty strong! Especially considering I very much liked

> >Wow, that's pretty strong! Especially considering I very much liked > >Nighttime World Vol.2!It was a bit of a break from Robert Hood's usual > > >minimal, harder style, butthat's no criticism in itself.

quoted 9 lines the reason why the lp is weak (imo) is because of the cheesy fake jazz

>the reason why the lp is weak (imo) is because of the cheesy fake jazz >sounds that are generated on the synths. there are a few decent tracks, but >most of it is just pseudo lounge jazz. there is no reason for the record to >exist because hood excelled at the minimal stuff (i.e. internal empire) and >if i want real lounge jazz, there are plenty of records to be bought. i >don't have a problem with artists changing their style, even drastically. >however, i would still think the lp is weak if it was put out by someone >i'd >never heard, or if it was the first hood lp that i was exposed to.

quoted 2 lines Metropolis, I thought, was okay, but it never really got me very

> >Metropolis, I thought, was okay, but it never really got me very > >excited.

quoted 6 lines the ambient tracks could've been on any film soundtrack from the

>the ambient tracks could've been on any film soundtrack from the >1980s....again, if i want ambient/soundscape music there is a ton of stuff >out there that is a thousand time better. the 4/4 tracks are boring >rehashes >for the most part and don't really add anything to the style mills has >developed/refined/adhered to on countless 12"s.

quoted 4 lines I should point out that Harnessed The Storm, whatever you think of it >in

> >I should point out that Harnessed The Storm, whatever you think of it >in > >terms of quality, doesn't actually sound a lot like either of >these >albums >

quoted 9 lines i wasn't trying to compare the sound of the lps. still, if you listen

>i wasn't trying to compare the sound of the lps. still, if you listen >closely to the piano melodies on the drexciya, it is very much in the >pseudo >jazz vein, so it does bear some similarites to the hood lp in question. the >point i was trying to make is that the drexciya is another case of a >detroit >techno outfit trying to break out of a style their known for, not >suceeding, >and making music that is already expired before it is released.

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>the reason why the lp is weak (imo) is because of the cheesy fake jazz >sounds that are generated on the synths. there are a few decent tracks, but >most of it is just pseudo lounge jazz. I beg to differ. In my opinion Nighttime World Vol2. will go down as a classic. It was Robert Hoods intent to make this album sound "synthetic" and modern utilizing synths. This is a very unique and unconventional/ experimental techno album. > there is no reason for the record to >exist because hood excelled at the minimal stuff (i.e. internal empire) and >if i want real lounge jazz, there are plenty of records to be bought. It's not supposed to sound like "real" lounge jazz, that would be conventional and boring. > i >don't have a problem with artists changing their style, even drastically. >however, i would still think the lp is weak if it was put out by someone >i'd >never heard, or if it was the first hood lp that i was exposed to. You need to listen to Nighttime World Vol1. on Cheap, it may give you a better perspective on Nighttime World Vol2. > >Metropolis, I thought, was okay, but it never really got me very > >excited. >the ambient tracks could've been on any film soundtrack from the >1980s....again, if i want ambient/soundscape music there is a ton of stuff >out there that is a thousand time better. the 4/4 tracks are boring >rehashes >for the most part and don't really add anything to the style mills has >developed/refined/adhered to on countless 12"s. I agree although I must admit I'm a bit bias with Mills work unless your talking about the old UR/ WPA. His Metropolis soundtrack sounds a little to modern 90's techno for an old silent movie. I thought Metropolis Vol1-Vol2 and the Every Dog series are solid efforts but not as spectacular as some people are making them out to be. On a similar note Jeff Mills gives a preview of Every Dog Vol.3 on his internet radio show http://www.electronicdir.com/ I enjoyed some of his track selection and mixing, he played Drug Test by K- Alexi. very nice. stephen techno purist. http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:40:09 -0600

quoted 5 lines I beg to differ.

>I beg to differ. >In my opinion Nighttime World Vol2. will go down as a classic. >It was Robert Hoods intent to make this album sound "synthetic" and >modern utilizing synths. >This is a very unique and unconventional/ experimental techno album.

nearly all detroit techno, and a lot of techno in general sounds synthetic, so making a "synthetic" album isn't really anything new. the point i was trying to make was that the preset midi horn, and vibe sounds he uses on that lp are cheesy. i don't really think it's that "modern" sounding at all. if you didn't know the chronology, one could think that "internal empire" is the more recent release. to me the latter is the definition of "modern" sounding techno. not this pseudo jazz crap that borders on bad muzak.

quoted 2 lines It's not supposed to sound like "real" lounge jazz, that would be

>It's not supposed to sound like "real" lounge jazz, that would be >conventional and boring.

you're missing the point. what i was trying to say is that it's a pale, cheap imitation of mediocre lounge jazz. basically, jazz "muzak" is the closest description i have for it. the closest analogy i have is those pretentious wanks in the post-industrial scene, who are making some sort of synthesized neo classical music, then claim "real" classical music is "conventional" and "boring". obviously they don't have a clue about what "real" classical is like...and i seriously doubt you have any perspective on what "real" jazz is like either.

quoted 2 lines You need to listen to Nighttime World Vol1. on Cheap, it may give >you a

>You need to listen to Nighttime World Vol1. on Cheap, it may give >you a >better perspective on Nighttime World Vol2.

i actually think vol. 1 is a pretty good album. however, it is definitely a step back to the old school sounds of late 80s detroit techno (synth strings, etc).

quoted 2 lines On a similar note Jeff Mills gives a preview of Every Dog Vol.3 on >his

>On a similar note Jeff Mills gives a preview of Every Dog Vol.3 on >his >internet radio show

what's the point? i'm sure we can all imagine what it sounds like...he hasn't done anything that great in the last few years. i happen to be a pretty big fan of his axis material, but you've got to admit, a lot of it sounds the same....the tracks from 93 or 94 aren't really that different from the tracks from 96-98.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"david barna" <leviticus85@hotmail.com> <mailto:leviticus85@hotmail.com> wrote: > nearly all detroit techno, and a lot of techno in general sounds synthetic, > so making a "synthetic" album isn't really anything new. the point i was > trying to make was that the preset midi horn, and vibe sounds he uses on > that lp are cheesy. I'm glad he didn't compromise with the more traditional acoustic samples. I like his synthesizer approach. > i don't really think it's that "modern" sounding at > all. if you didn't know the chronology, one could think that "internal > empire" is the more recent release. to me the latter is the definition of > "modern" sounding techno. not this pseudo jazz crap that borders on bad > muzak. I disagree, Nighttime World Vol2. sounds more recent. Internal Empire sounds like minimal techno from the mid 90's. Nighttime World Vol2. there is a certain futurism to a lot of the tracks, you would call it "pale, cheap imitation of mediocre lounge " but I disagree. >> It's not supposed to sound like "real" lounge jazz, that would be >> conventional and boring. > > you're missing the point. what i was trying to say is that it's a pale, > cheap imitation of mediocre lounge jazz. basically, jazz "muzak" is the > closest description i have for it. the closest analogy i have is those > pretentious wanks in the post-industrial scene, who are making some sort of > synthesized neo classical music, then claim "real" classical music is > "conventional" and "boring". obviously they don't have a clue about what > "real" classical is like...and i seriously doubt you have any perspective on > what "real" jazz is like either. I hate to brag but when I was like 16 or 17 I went through a jazz house faze, I was buying stuff like C.F.M Band Jazz It Up, Pal Joey, Larry Heard on Black Market this was back in the early 90's. A lot of classical music and jazz is a bit boring for my taste, it doesn't have the same appeal as electronic music, i think acoustic interments sound better in a live setting. >> You need to listen to Nighttime World Vol1. on Cheap, it may give >you a >> better perspective on Nighttime World Vol2. > > i actually think vol. 1 is a pretty good album. however, it is definitely a > step back to the old school sounds of late 80s detroit techno (synth > strings, etc). I wouldn't call it a step back. Detroit techno from the late 80's sounded much different. >> On a similar note Jeff Mills gives a preview of Every Dog Vol.3 on >his >> internet radio show > > what's the point? i'm sure we can all imagine what it sounds like...he > hasn't done anything that great in the last few years. i happen to be a > pretty big fan of his axis material, but you've got to admit, a lot of it > sounds the same....the tracks from 93 or 94 aren't really that different > from the tracks from 96-98.... I hear a difference in his sound, it has defiantly changed from the mid 90's. stephen. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org