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2002-01-25 22:12Reading, John RE: [idm] Max Tundra likes making enemies
└─ 2002-01-25 22:48Lander RE: [idm] Max Tundra likes making enemies
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└─ 2002-01-26 17:01Lander RE: [idm] BoC hatas like making enemies
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│ └─ 2002-01-29 23:53ugly and mean RE: [idm] BoC hatas like making enemies
│ └─ 2002-01-30 01:33Lander RE: [idm] BoC hatas... it's stupid, don't bitch, just delete
└─ 2002-01-27 03:23EggyToast RE: [idm] BoC hatas like making enemies
└─ 2002-01-27 06:43Lander RE: [idm] BoC hatas like making enemies
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2002-01-25 22:12Reading, John> "If I hear a record and enjoy it, I just sit there and get jealous and > wonder how they
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quoted 17 lines "If I hear a record and enjoy it, I just sit there and get jealous and> "If I hear a record and enjoy it, I just sit there and get jealous and > wonder how they did it-- at the same time realizing that they > did it so > I don't need to do it. On the other hand, if something comes > along that > I don't enjoy, it fires me up. In between angry bursts of > 'HOW DARE THEY > HAVE A RECORD DEAL!' I get on with the task at hand. I guess you could > say I was Bored of Canada! ...Though they are by no means the worst > offenders." > > -Max Tundra (interview with Pitchfork - http://www.pitchforkmedia.com > <http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/> ) > > So much for making fans on this list. For my money he's sure more > original than BoC, though. >
That's just all-round lame. And let me know who sounds just like BOC, so I can buy their records, thanks... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-25 22:48Lander--- "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> wrote: > > > "If I hear a record and enjoy it,
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quoted 21 lines "If I hear a record and enjoy it, I just sit there and get jealous and> > > "If I hear a record and enjoy it, I just sit there and get jealous and > > wonder how they did it-- at the same time realizing that they > > did it so > > I don't need to do it. On the other hand, if something comes > > along that > > I don't enjoy, it fires me up. In between angry bursts of > > 'HOW DARE THEY > > HAVE A RECORD DEAL!' I get on with the task at hand. I guess you could > > say I was Bored of Canada! ...Though they are by no means the worst > > offenders." > > > > -Max Tundra (interview with Pitchfork - http://www.pitchforkmedia.com > > <http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/> ) > > > > So much for making fans on this list. For my money he's sure more > > original than BoC, though. > > > > That's just all-round lame. And let me know who sounds just like BOC, so > I can buy their records, thanks...
What's lame? Perhaps he finds tracks like "zoetrope" sort of numbing. He wouldn't be the only one. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-26 06:15ugly and mean> > > So much for making fans on this list. For my money he's sure more > > > original tha
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quoted 12 lines So much for making fans on this list. For my money he's sure more> > > So much for making fans on this list. For my money he's sure more > > > original than BoC, though. > > > > > > > That's just all-round lame. And let me know who sounds just like BOC, > so > > I can buy their records, thanks... > > What's lame? Perhaps he finds tracks like "zoetrope" sort of numbing. > He > wouldn't be the only one. >
ahh, let the BoC hating begin! After all, only a few more weeks until their new album drops. Gotta make sure to get those precious indie-cred points in *before* anyone hears it, that way you don't come off as a bandwagon BoC-hata. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-26 17:01Lander> > What's lame? Perhaps he finds tracks like "zoetrope" sort of numbing. > > > He > > wou
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quoted 10 lines What's lame? Perhaps he finds tracks like "zoetrope" sort of numbing.> > What's lame? Perhaps he finds tracks like "zoetrope" sort of numbing. > > > He > > wouldn't be the only one. > > > > ahh, let the BoC hating begin! After all, only a few more weeks until > their new album drops. Gotta make sure to get those precious indie-cred > points in *before* anyone hears it, that way you don't come off as a > bandwagon BoC-hata.
Of course it would never be possible for anyone to actually not be in raptures over every note they ever released, right? It must all be posturing, so the IDM-list will think I'm cool. a: that's the first I've heard about a new BoC release, and I'm 99% sure I'm not going to buy it any time soon... maybe out of a used bin sometime. b: if there's a bandwagon, I've been the one driving it the whole time. I'm not a BoC-hata. I think they've made some very pleasant music. I just think they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated. To me, they make decent IDM, but they are not flawless Gods of music, armor'd in fire, impenetrable by mortal darts. But that's just an opinion; nobody's life's gonna change on account of what I think. Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-27 02:30ugly and mean> Of course it would never be possible for anyone to actually not be in > raptures over ev
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quoted 4 lines Of course it would never be possible for anyone to actually not be in> Of course it would never be possible for anyone to actually not be in > raptures over every note they ever released, right? It must all be > posturing, so the IDM-list will think I'm cool. >
I'm sure there are plenty of people on this list that are not "in raptures" over quite a bit of the music that is discussed on this list - I know I'm not. I have no doubt that you don't like BoC, and never have liked BoC... but I think you're being disingenous if you're saying that the negative comments that you and others have made about BoC doesn't come from a combination of a need to be respected in the scene, and irritation at reading reviews by lame rock critics that describe BoC as "warm and emotional" music, as if the rest of IDM isn't. It's annoying, but recognize it for what it is, be objective, and keep your negative opinions to yourself. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-27 06:36Lander--- ugly and mean <ugly_and_mean@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Of course it would never be possibl
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quoted 19 lines Of course it would never be possible for anyone to actually not be in> > Of course it would never be possible for anyone to actually not be in > > raptures over every note they ever released, right? It must all be > > posturing, so the IDM-list will think I'm cool. > > > > I'm sure there are plenty of people on this list that are not "in > raptures" over quite a bit of the music that is discussed on this list - > I > know I'm not. I have no doubt that you don't like BoC, and never have > liked BoC... but I think you're being disingenous if you're saying that > the negative comments that you and others have made about BoC doesn't > come > from a combination of a need to be respected in the scene, and > irritation > at reading reviews by lame rock critics that describe BoC as "warm and > emotional" music, as if the rest of IDM isn't. It's annoying, but > recognize it for what it is, be objective, and keep your negative > opinions > to yourself.
Keep my-- hahahahaha haha ha, oh shit you crack me up. No... no, I don't think I will. You got me all wrong, pal. I don't DISLIKE BoC-- I often find myself putting on "beautiful place" when I can't decide what I feel like listening to, and it always seems just about right for that-- but I do think that other points of veiw need to be represented, hence my negative or neutral opinions. As for being respected in "the scene," I certainly wouldn't presume to speak for the others to whom you refer, but I don't really think I'm actually in the scene. I'm on the list because this is a fairly interesting list to be on, and good threads come up, and music discussed here is more likely to be music I enjoy than otherwise, but I don't personally know so much as one single other human being besides myself who even knows what the term "IDM" means. This exchange, for example, I am enjoying thoroughly. In summary: The scene, for me, is a non-entity. I don't really care about the scene, because I don't know anyone in the scene. I've never read a BoC review in my life. I am acutley and constantly aware-- neurotic, even-- of whether my opinions are truly my own, or whether they are a reaction to the opinions of others, and I generally try to avoid the latter. Now I know that's 100% more than you ever wanted to know, but please don't make assumptions about me. It gets my dander up. I'm sure you'll regard all of this as "indie-r than thou" posturing, but I'm not laboring under the illusion that I can convince you of anything over the friggin internet. Maybe I'll see you at a show some day, and you'll want to punch me in the neck, and I'll buy you a drink. I'm just that kind of bastard. Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-29 23:53ugly and mean--- Lander <gamera_@yahoo.com> wrote: > > --- ugly and mean <ugly_and_mean@yahoo.com> wrot
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quoted 60 lines --- ugly and mean <ugly_and_mean@yahoo.com> wrote:> > --- ugly and mean <ugly_and_mean@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Of course it would never be possible for anyone to actually not be > in > > > raptures over every note they ever released, right? It must all be > > > posturing, so the IDM-list will think I'm cool. > > > > > > > I'm sure there are plenty of people on this list that are not "in > > raptures" over quite a bit of the music that is discussed on this list > - > > I > > know I'm not. I have no doubt that you don't like BoC, and never have > > liked BoC... but I think you're being disingenous if you're saying > that > > the negative comments that you and others have made about BoC doesn't > > come > > from a combination of a need to be respected in the scene, and > > irritation > > at reading reviews by lame rock critics that describe BoC as "warm and > > emotional" music, as if the rest of IDM isn't. It's annoying, but > > recognize it for what it is, be objective, and keep your negative > > opinions > > to yourself. > > Keep my-- hahahahaha haha ha, oh shit you crack me up. No... no, I > don't > think I will. > You got me all wrong, pal. > I don't DISLIKE BoC-- I often find myself putting on "beautiful place" > when I can't decide what I feel like listening to, and it always seems > just about right for that-- but I do think that other points of veiw > need > to be represented, hence my negative or neutral opinions. As for being > respected in "the scene," I certainly wouldn't presume to speak for the > others to whom you refer, but I don't really think I'm actually in the > scene. I'm on the list because this is a fairly interesting list to be > on, and good threads come up, and music discussed here is more likely to > be music I enjoy than otherwise, but I don't personally know so much as > one single other human being besides myself who even knows what the term > "IDM" means. This exchange, for example, I am enjoying thoroughly. > In summary: > The scene, for me, is a non-entity. I don't really care about the > scene, > because I don't know anyone in the scene. > I've never read a BoC review in my life. > I am acutley and constantly aware-- neurotic, even-- of whether my > opinions are truly my own, or whether they are a reaction to the > opinions > of others, and I generally try to avoid the latter. > Now I know that's 100% more than you ever wanted to know, but please > don't > make assumptions about me. It gets my dander up. > I'm sure you'll regard all of this as "indie-r than thou" posturing, but > I'm not laboring under the illusion that I can convince you of anything > over the friggin internet. Maybe I'll see you at a show some day, and > you'll want to punch me in the neck, and I'll buy you a drink. I'm just > that kind of bastard. > > Z
<sniff, sniff...> hmmm... I smell bullshit in the air. If you don't consider this list a "community" or a "scene", then why do you attempt to initiate discussions with the people here (as opposed to just sitting around waiting for show announcments and ebay spam)? If you find BoC overrated, but have never actually read any reviews of their music or know anyone outside of this list that has heard of the term 'IDM', then what are you using as a basis for your argument that they are overrated? Overrated by who? Listmembers like me? I'm just a music fan - I don't rate anything. If you don't dislike Boards of Canada, then why do you continue to distance yourself from their music and their fans by making snide remarks such as the one you just made about how their music is something you only listen to when you aren't in the mood for anything? I wasn't responding only to you, but to a cluster of anti-BoC posts that were made in response to a bunch of pro-BoC posts that were made in response to the announcement of their new album dropping in Feb. If you weren't trying to give us listmembers (the "scene") the impression that you were more "indie-r than thou" with your eye-rolling and "psssh! They are overrated!" attitude, what exactly -was- the point of making your original (unsolicited) comment about them? sorry the reply is late, i was busy washing Kid606's kitschy 70's Trans-Am __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-30 01:33LanderUh oh, another line-by-line battle that nobody cares about on the IDM list! I tried to be
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Uh oh, another line-by-line battle that nobody cares about on the IDM list! I tried to be nice, buddy.
quoted 1 line <sniff, sniff...> hmmm... I smell bullshit in the air.> <sniff, sniff...> hmmm... I smell bullshit in the air.
Here in boulder they tell me that's a sign severe weather is coming. I don't know what it means wherever you are.
quoted 1 line If you don't consider this list> If you don't consider this list
[choppy choppy]
quoted 2 lines I'm just a music fan>I'm just a music fan > - I don't rate anything.
This is all meaningless semantics, so whatever you say. I wasn't a linguistics major. If you don't dislike Boards of Canada, then
quoted 5 lines why> why > do you continue to distance yourself from their music and their fans by > making snide remarks such as the one you just made about how their music > is something you only listen to when you aren't in the mood for > anything?
Only an ironclad member of the "BoC is the second coming of Crist" army would consider that a snide comment. Your religious fervor has blinded you to what was actually a compliment; that is to say, when I'm sick of everything I'm still not sick of BoC.
quoted 3 lines I wasn't responding only to you, but to a cluster of anti-BoC posts that> I wasn't responding only to you, but to a cluster of anti-BoC posts that > were made in response to a bunch of pro-BoC posts that were made in > response to the announcement of their new album dropping in Feb.
Now we're getting stupid, but I'm a stubborn son of a bitch. Actually, you were responding only to me. But I was responding to someone who seemed to be putting down Max Tundra simply because he wasn't publicly sucking BoC's collective cock. I haven't heard any Max Tundra, it just annoyed me the same way that all blind, deaf evangelism annoys me. I made a short comment about how perhaps he thought songs like zoetrope were boring. That's all. I didn't give an explicit opinion of my own one way or another. This BoC hata-ing as a preemptive response to the new album is entirely your invention, as far as this thread is concerned. When I made the comment on trial, I had not even heard of Geogaddi. And if it's everyone else who was doing it, why are you arguing with me and not them? Oh, and most importantly... why the fuck do you insist on believing that its impossible for someone to HONESTLY dislike Boards of fucking Canada??? Your posts are making me like them less by the second, simply through association.
quoted 6 lines If you weren't trying to give us listmembers (the "scene") the> If you weren't trying to give us listmembers (the "scene") the > impression > that you were more "indie-r than thou" with your eye-rolling and "psssh! > They are overrated!" attitude, what exactly -was- the point of making > your > original (unsolicited) comment about them?
Wasn't unsolicited, was response. See above. The attitude is all in your head, I assure you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-27 03:23EggyToastAt 09:01 AM 1/26/2002 -0800, you wrote: >I'm not a BoC-hata. I think they've made some ver
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quoted 5 lines I'm not a BoC-hata. I think they've made some very pleasant music. I>I'm not a BoC-hata. I think they've made some very pleasant music. I >just think they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated. To me, they make >decent IDM, but they are not flawless Gods of music, armor'd in fire, >impenetrable by mortal darts. But that's just an opinion; nobody's life's >gonna change on account of what I think.
I personally don't think Boards of Canada make the best music on the planet, and I agree that most of their music is very pleasant. The reason I like Boards of Canada so much, though, is because their EP's and the LP are consistently pleasant. I like buying a cd or record, putting it on, and leaving it. I don't like to skip over songs I don't like, which means that 1 or 2 bad songs can leave a sour taste in my mouth. Boards of Canada haven't done that [yet], to my ears. A lot of the recent IDM has some killer tracks that are really amazing, but the albums have 4 or 5 tracks that are just boring, plodding, sub-standard IDM, which has saved me a lot of money recently :D boring, plodding songs in IDM is even worse than boring, plodding songs in other genres, since IDM songs are typically SO LONG. So, when I listened to Music has... the first time, I thought "hey, this is alright, not a total waste of money." I took it off and it sat for a while. Two weeks went by, and I popped it back in again, remembering "hey, this was pretty good, I'll give it another listen." It was still consistently good throughout. Not breathtaking, not "wear out your cd-player" amazing, but solid. And I could listen to the whole thing and enjoy myself! Sure, it's a pretty standard formula, and they're not breaking new ground, but they do what they're trying to do really well, in my opinion. So they've earned a lot of respect in my book. I'm sure I have other opinions on other things, too, but I'll leave those for other posts. :D derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- snappy one-liner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-01-27 06:43LanderYou make a good point... There's a lot to be said for consistency of quality, and it's one
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You make a good point... There's a lot to be said for consistency of quality, and it's one of the hardest things for any musician to accomplish, in any genre. Z --- EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu> wrote:
quoted 60 lines At 09:01 AM 1/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:> At 09:01 AM 1/26/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >I'm not a BoC-hata. I think they've made some very pleasant music. I > >just think they are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated. To me, they > make > >decent IDM, but they are not flawless Gods of music, armor'd in fire, > >impenetrable by mortal darts. But that's just an opinion; nobody's > life's > >gonna change on account of what I think. > > I personally don't think Boards of Canada make the best music on the > planet, and I agree that most of their music is very pleasant. The > reason > I like Boards of Canada so much, though, is because their EP's and the > LP > are consistently pleasant. I like buying a cd or record, putting it on, > > and leaving it. I don't like to skip over songs I don't like, which > means > that 1 or 2 bad songs can leave a sour taste in my mouth. Boards of > Canada > haven't done that [yet], to my ears. A lot of the recent IDM has some > killer tracks that are really amazing, but the albums have 4 or 5 tracks > > that are just boring, plodding, sub-standard IDM, which has saved me a > lot > of money recently :D > > boring, plodding songs in IDM is even worse than boring, plodding songs > in > other genres, since IDM songs are typically SO LONG. > > So, when I listened to Music has... the first time, I thought "hey, this > is > alright, not a total waste of money." I took it off and it sat for a > while. Two weeks went by, and I popped it back in again, remembering > "hey, > this was pretty good, I'll give it another listen." It was still > consistently good throughout. Not breathtaking, not "wear out your > cd-player" amazing, but solid. And I could listen to the whole thing > and > enjoy myself! Sure, it's a pretty standard formula, and they're not > breaking new ground, but they do what they're trying to do really well, > in > my opinion. So they've earned a lot of respect in my book. > > I'm sure I have other opinions on other things, too, but I'll leave > those > for other posts. :D > > derek > ------- > eggytoast.com > ------- > snappy one-liner > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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