"but maybe we're being "hypersensitive". sigh."?!
Sorry, but no way.
Beatwife?
Bullshit name.
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From: Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:48 PM
To: nat hawks
Cc: 22tape; idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 10:15 PM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 10 lines Hello Mauro!
> Hello Mauro!
>
>
> Thanks for jumping in.
>
>
> To clarify, I should have been more careful with my wording. "Hate speech"
> obviously has its own, specific, (now legal) definition. What I meant to
> say was just that "there is hate in these words."
>quoted 7 lines I'd also like to agree with your criticism on my "men do x" statement.
>
> I'd also like to agree with your criticism on my "men do x" statement.
> You're right. I was feeling frustrated in the moment that I felt a sense of
> traditional male values creeping in (though it could have just been me
> feeling sensitive at the time). [in my case it would more be a "real men
> cry" argument]
>quoted 5 lines In terms of making assumptions about someone's intentions behind, say, a
>
> In terms of making assumptions about someone's intentions behind, say, a
> group name... it's an interesting debate. Personally, in this case I feel
> like there is basically zero gray area though.
>quoted 121 lines ________________________________
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> From: Mauro <lavaramano@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 9:00 PM
> To: 22tape
> Cc: nat hawks; idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:43 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, they’re both victims of sexual assault... so no safe privilege here.
>>
>
> hi. instead of dismissing what nat is saying. we could take a step
> outside of this thread and think about it for a moment.
> on one hand (with hanlon's razor in hand) we can't directly attribute
> that beatwife is spreading hate-speech.
> on the other hand, we can't either give the benefit of the doubt to
> naming things like this (not just beatwife, but goat whore, stage 4
> cancer, prostitute disfigurement also. to name a few).
>
> nat: i'd like to point out that "real men do x" is a bit silly,
> because you're forcing men to act in a certain way (ie: real men don't
> cry.) to avoid seeing them as less-than-a-man (i'll leave the blank
> space to be filled in). and i'll just stop typing here to avoid being
> seen as a sjw.
>
> either way, i'm really happy that this kind of discussion are taking
> place (it means that something a revision because it got out-dated).
> also, no godwin's law so far !
>
>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:27 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And they are correct in that regards!!! You are right. But, I do think
>>> women need protecting because currently in our world they are not
>>> protected
>>> and they are being disproportionately hurt.
>>>
>>>
>>> Something to consider: sometimes it is from (no assumptions of your
>>> family) a place of safe privilege where we can make such statements.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 8:17 PM
>>>
>>> To: nat hawks
>>> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
>>> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
>>> I’m actually sitting here with my mom and sister (who are both feminists)
>>> having a cup of coffee talking about fisting. They are not offended. They
>>> actually think this whole thread is hilarious. Idealogues are hilarious!
>>> They think that your heart is in the right place, but they also think
>>> that
>>> men who view women as monolithic creatures who need protecting are sorely
>>> mislead.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:08 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 22tape, imagine what a female would feel reading your last post.
>>>
>>>
>>> A female who is trying to learn more about a male-dominated genre of
>>> music
>>> she loves? Making idm herself.
>>>
>>> She would be rightfully disgusted. "fist" (while an accepted consensual
>>> act) connotes violence without context.
>>>
>>> sexual violence.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 8:04 PM
>>> To: nat hawks
>>> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
>>> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
>>>
>>> What if it’s a female fisting another female?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:52 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. Beatwife=beat wife. Period.
>>> 2. Skinny Puppy isn't a great example, but I hear you. Someone mentioned
>>> Goat Whore. Personally, I think that is a vile band name that
>>> perpetuates
>>> the abuse of women.
>>> 3. Fisted Sister=perpetuates abuse against women.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Mar 25, 2018, at 6:41 PM, psycosyin <psycosyin@mi.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > He isn't saying anything literally about beating one's wife, it's just
>>> > a
>>> > word with no context attached, as far as I know. There is a band
>>> > named
>>> > Skinny Puppy, they aren't saying "you should starve your baby dog".
>>> >
>>> > I guess my dream of starting a hair metal cover band named Fisted
>>> > Sister
>>> > wouldn't go over well around here.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <RAW>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 22tape/jared dunne
>>> listen
>>>
>>> --
>>> 22tape/jared dunne
>>> listen
>>
>> --
>> 22tape/jared dunne
>> listen