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2001-12-05 05:03Julia Matusov Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties and live electronic stuff
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2001-12-05 05:49Aaron Trumm Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties and live electronic stuff
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2001-12-05 05:03Julia MatusovI very much agree with you. In my opinion, the problem with this show-type scenario is tha
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I very much agree with you. In my opinion, the problem with this show-type scenario is that electronic music creates a mood, an atmosphere, stimulates emotion and in some cases, fucks with your head. Standing there and watching the performer is not really the point, yet it's the only way of perceiving live music we are used to. In big crowds, we are conditioned to stand facing in the direction of the performer breathing down each other's necks, shifting from one foot to another, drinking some really overpriced beer and shuffling out in an orderly manner. To me, that's an outdated technique... There are some who understand that and make some effort to create an atmosphere more conducive to their music. I am hoping that live electronic events will shift focus from the performer being the focus... to the atmosphere being the focus of the event. The best times I've ever had consisted of the audience being treated as an important part to the event. You can say what you want to say about the rave scene but I think there are a few lessons to be learned there as far as good parties go. I'd appreciate some ideas... cause i have been analyzing stuff like this, what makes parties/events a success to the audience... in order to do something like this myself. I am a perfectionist though so its going to take me awhile.
quoted 50 lines From: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>>From: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:51:20 -0600 > >At 07:32 PM 12/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: >> > >> > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do >>you >> > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic >>music >> > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really >> > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and >>I >> > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little >>stab... >> >>Well actually I was being facetious about the 'real music' bit...as you'll >>notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly afterwards. >>You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking >>his >>attitude. Next time I'll draw a picture. > >:D > >Granted, I've wondered if All Tomorrow's Parties were ever really geared >towards electronic music. Although electronic music is definitely >different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about >an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never* >good outside like that, you can't see what's going on (not that much >usually is, even with rock bands). It's just always seemed like more of an >"indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor >electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or >anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some >faint enjoyment with the music. > >And you gotta love big-shot producers who are so anti-sampling yet throw >strings into big ballady songs. Yea, they know how to barely play a >guitar, and suddenly there's a violin? or 3, or 6! The violins are out of >control! >------- >eggytoast.com >------- >everyone's doing it > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-12-05 05:28Lander--- Julia Matusov <ulia5@hotmail.com> wrote: > I very much agree with you. In my opinion,
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--- Julia Matusov <ulia5@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 22 lines I very much agree with you. In my opinion, the problem with this> I very much agree with you. In my opinion, the problem with this > show-type > scenario is that electronic music creates a mood, an atmosphere, > stimulates > emotion and in some cases, fucks with your head. Standing there and > watching > the performer is not really the point, yet it's the only way of > perceiving > live music we are used to. In big crowds, we are conditioned to stand > facing > in the direction of the performer breathing down each other's necks, > shifting from one foot to another, drinking some really overpriced beer > and > shuffling out in an orderly manner. > > To me, that's an outdated technique... There are some who understand > that > and make some effort to create an atmosphere more conducive to their > music. > I am hoping that live electronic events will shift focus from the > performer > being the focus... to the atmosphere being the focus of the event.
This sort of experience ain't new... it's hundreds of years old, in fact. Formerly known as "going to the symphony." Even solo concerts are more about the music than about the soloist in the classical world. I haven't done specific research or anything, but my impression is that the phenomenon of musician as total audio/visual experience is a relatively new one. It almost seems like, what with all the difficult, abstract electronica out there, and with this "new" performance aesthetic that emphasizes the music over the performer, music is trying to come full circle. Not that I've ever gotten party ideas listening to an orchestra... not when I was paying attention anyway... So I guess I don't actually have a point! Just an interesting thought. Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-05 05:49Aaron TrummThat sounds like exactly what we're going for with Third Option starting next year - our f
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That sounds like exactly what we're going for with Third Option starting next year - our first event of this kind will be Jan. 19 in Austin, TX if you want to come :) The more I thought about it the more I thought god, all this stuff is basically recorded - I can't hold a crowd's attention with this - I can, ironically, hold a crowd in pretty good awe as a performance poet with no music at all, but once we brought the music into the scene with us and created Third Option, the stage performances we did were kind of lame - it took AWAY rather than added to things to have this unexplainable music while we were on stage doing spoken word - but now when we do our CD listening party and subsequent events, we're gonna' try pulling ourselves out of that center of attention, and let it be like any other dance club event would (we'll do it in dance clubs), only with way more visuals, all original stuff (ours of course), and then we can be in the DJ booth and start throwing live performances of the poetry or keyboard leads or whatnot in and not try to get people to watch us, but just be INSIDE the performance/event/whateveryacallit thing - sort of like the intense and badasss version of going to a dance club - as if the dance club was a way watered down version of our show - eventually we may come out into the crowd and sort of try to command attention during the mix, but from inside the thing... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Trumm NQuit (Never Never Quit) aaron@nquit.com www.nquit.com Music Available At: * http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/thirdoption * http://www.joesgrille.com/store/p-8633.html * http://thirdoption.iuma.com ------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Matusov" <ulia5@hotmail.com> To: <youn0394@umn.edu>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties and live electronic stuff
quoted 2 lines I very much agree with you. In my opinion, the problem with this show-type> I very much agree with you. In my opinion, the problem with this show-type > scenario is that electronic music creates a mood, an atmosphere,
stimulates
quoted 1 line emotion and in some cases, fucks with your head. Standing there and> emotion and in some cases, fucks with your head. Standing there and
watching
quoted 2 lines the performer is not really the point, yet it's the only way of perceiving> the performer is not really the point, yet it's the only way of perceiving > live music we are used to. In big crowds, we are conditioned to stand
facing
quoted 2 lines in the direction of the performer breathing down each other's necks,> in the direction of the performer breathing down each other's necks, > shifting from one foot to another, drinking some really overpriced beer
and
quoted 4 lines shuffling out in an orderly manner.> shuffling out in an orderly manner. > > To me, that's an outdated technique... There are some who understand that > and make some effort to create an atmosphere more conducive to their
music.
quoted 1 line I am hoping that live electronic events will shift focus from the> I am hoping that live electronic events will shift focus from the
performer
quoted 1 line being the focus... to the atmosphere being the focus of the event. The> being the focus... to the atmosphere being the focus of the event. The
best
quoted 1 line times I've ever had consisted of the audience being treated as an> times I've ever had consisted of the audience being treated as an
important
quoted 2 lines part to the event.> part to the event. > You can say what you want to say about the rave scene but I think there
are
quoted 5 lines a few lessons to be learned there as far as good parties go.> a few lessons to be learned there as far as good parties go. > > I'd appreciate some ideas... cause i have been analyzing stuff like this, > what makes parties/events a success to the audience... in order to do > something like this myself. I am a perfectionist though so its going to
take
quoted 14 lines me awhile.> me awhile. > > >From: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties > >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:51:20 -0600 > > > >At 07:32 PM 12/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >> > > >> > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do > >>you > >> > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic > >>music > >> > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people
really
quoted 1 line enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently),> >> > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently),
and
quoted 5 lines I> >>I > >> > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little > >>stab... > >> > >>Well actually I was being facetious about the 'real music' bit...as
you'll
quoted 1 line notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly> >>notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly
afterwards.
quoted 9 lines You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking> >>You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking > >>his > >>attitude. Next time I'll draw a picture. > > > >:D > > > >Granted, I've wondered if All Tomorrow's Parties were ever really geared > >towards electronic music. Although electronic music is definitely > >different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard
about
quoted 3 lines an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never*> >an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never* > >good outside like that, you can't see what's going on (not that much > >usually is, even with rock bands). It's just always seemed like more of
an
quoted 8 lines "indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor> >"indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor > >electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or > >anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some > >faint enjoyment with the music. > > > >And you gotta love big-shot producers who are so anti-sampling yet throw > >strings into big ballady songs. Yea, they know how to barely play a > >guitar, and suddenly there's a violin? or 3, or 6! The violins are out
of
quoted 21 lines control!> >control! > >------- > >eggytoast.com > >------- > >everyone's doing it > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-12-05 10:39cutupFrom my perspective, the "not staring at a performer", creating a mood, was a big part of
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From my perspective, the "not staring at a performer", creating a mood, was a big part of what "rave" was. And that's definitely in the past tense. Even at raves it turned over to people watching the dj to a great extent (although not all times, all places) Which kind of sucks because it was one of the better aspects of rave culture. I think there's alot about rave that new electronics is forgetting or never know that would be great if it was incorporated rather than thrown out because of some bad impression of rave culture... I think there's room for shows where the music discussed on this list is played but people aren't standing and watching it. - cutups
quoted 92 lines -----Original Message----->-----Original Message----- >From: Julia Matusov <ulia5@hotmail.com> >To: youn0394@umn.edu <youn0394@umn.edu>; idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org> >Date: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:05 AM >Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties and live electronic stuff > > >>I very much agree with you. In my opinion, the problem with this show-type >>scenario is that electronic music creates a mood, an atmosphere, stimulates >>emotion and in some cases, fucks with your head. Standing there and watching >>the performer is not really the point, yet it's the only way of perceiving >>live music we are used to. In big crowds, we are conditioned to stand facing >>in the direction of the performer breathing down each other's necks, >>shifting from one foot to another, drinking some really overpriced beer and >>shuffling out in an orderly manner. >> >>To me, that's an outdated technique... There are some who understand that >>and make some effort to create an atmosphere more conducive to their music. >>I am hoping that live electronic events will shift focus from the performer >>being the focus... to the atmosphere being the focus of the event. The best >>times I've ever had consisted of the audience being treated as an important >>part to the event. >>You can say what you want to say about the rave scene but I think there are >>a few lessons to be learned there as far as good parties go. >> >>I'd appreciate some ideas... cause i have been analyzing stuff like this, >>what makes parties/events a success to the audience... in order to do >>something like this myself. I am a perfectionist though so its going to take >>me awhile. >> >>>From: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu> >>>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties >>>Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:51:20 -0600 >>> >>>At 07:32 PM 12/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do >>>>you >>>> > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic >>>>music >>>> > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really >>>> > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and >>>>I >>>> > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little >>>>stab... >>>> >>>>Well actually I was being facetious about the 'real music' bit...as you'll >>>>notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly afterwards. >>>>You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking >>>>his >>>>attitude. Next time I'll draw a picture. >>> >>>:D >>> >>>Granted, I've wondered if All Tomorrow's Parties were ever really geared >>>towards electronic music. Although electronic music is definitely >>>different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about >>>an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never* >>>good outside like that, you can't see what's going on (not that much >>>usually is, even with rock bands). It's just always seemed like more of an >>>"indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor >>>electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or >>>anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some >>>faint enjoyment with the music. >>> >>>And you gotta love big-shot producers who are so anti-sampling yet throw >>>strings into big ballady songs. Yea, they know how to barely play a >>>guitar, and suddenly there's a violin? or 3, or 6! The violins are out of >>>control! >>>------- >>>eggytoast.com >>>------- >>>everyone's doing it >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >
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