From my perspective, the "not staring at a performer",
creating a mood, was a big part of what "rave" was.
And that's definitely in the past tense.
Even at raves it turned over to people watching
the dj to a great extent (although not all times, all places)
Which kind of sucks because it was one of the better
aspects of rave culture. I think there's alot about rave
that new electronics is forgetting or never know that
would be great if it was incorporated rather than thrown
out because of some bad impression of rave culture...
I think there's room for shows where the music discussed on
this list is played but people aren't standing and watching it.
- cutups
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>From: Julia Matusov <ulia5@hotmail.com>
>To: youn0394@umn.edu <youn0394@umn.edu>; idm@hyperreal.org <idm@hyperreal.org>
>Date: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:05 AM
>Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties and live electronic stuff
>
>
>>I very much agree with you. In my opinion, the problem with this show-type
>>scenario is that electronic music creates a mood, an atmosphere, stimulates
>>emotion and in some cases, fucks with your head. Standing there and watching
>>the performer is not really the point, yet it's the only way of perceiving
>>live music we are used to. In big crowds, we are conditioned to stand facing
>>in the direction of the performer breathing down each other's necks,
>>shifting from one foot to another, drinking some really overpriced beer and
>>shuffling out in an orderly manner.
>>
>>To me, that's an outdated technique... There are some who understand that
>>and make some effort to create an atmosphere more conducive to their music.
>>I am hoping that live electronic events will shift focus from the performer
>>being the focus... to the atmosphere being the focus of the event. The best
>>times I've ever had consisted of the audience being treated as an important
>>part to the event.
>>You can say what you want to say about the rave scene but I think there are
>>a few lessons to be learned there as far as good parties go.
>>
>>I'd appreciate some ideas... cause i have been analyzing stuff like this,
>>what makes parties/events a success to the audience... in order to do
>>something like this myself. I am a perfectionist though so its going to take
>>me awhile.
>>
>>>From: EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>
>>>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>>Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties
>>>Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:51:20 -0600
>>>
>>>At 07:32 PM 12/4/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do
>>>>you
>>>> > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic
>>>>music
>>>> > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really
>>>> > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and
>>>>I
>>>> > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little
>>>>stab...
>>>>
>>>>Well actually I was being facetious about the 'real music' bit...as you'll
>>>>notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly afterwards.
>>>>You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking
>>>>his
>>>>attitude. Next time I'll draw a picture.
>>>
>>>:D
>>>
>>>Granted, I've wondered if All Tomorrow's Parties were ever really geared
>>>towards electronic music. Although electronic music is definitely
>>>different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about
>>>an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never*
>>>good outside like that, you can't see what's going on (not that much
>>>usually is, even with rock bands). It's just always seemed like more of an
>>>"indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor
>>>electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or
>>>anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some
>>>faint enjoyment with the music.
>>>
>>>And you gotta love big-shot producers who are so anti-sampling yet throw
>>>strings into big ballady songs. Yea, they know how to barely play a
>>>guitar, and suddenly there's a violin? or 3, or 6! The violins are out of
>>>control!
>>>-------
>>>eggytoast.com
>>>-------
>>>everyone's doing it
>>>
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