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from the Ipecac site http://www.ipecac.com/calendar.php North American tour by kid 606 opening for the Butthole Surfers!!!!!! If you have not seen the Buttholes live.....do it!!!!!! kid606 Date Location Venue 10/16/2001 Northampton,MA Pearl Street w/Butthole Surfers 10/17/2001 Boston,MA Paradise w/Butthole Surfers 10/18/2001 Philadelphia,PA Theatre of Living Arts w/Butthole Surfers 10/19/2001 New York,NY The World w/Butthole Surfers 10/21/2001 Atlanta,GA Cotton Club w/Butthole Surfers 10/23/2001 Houston,TX Numbers w/Butthole Surfers 10/24/2001 Dallas,TX Gypsy Ballroom w/Butthole Surfers 10/27/2001 Phoenix,AZ Bash on Ash w/Butthole Surfers 10/28/2001 San Diego,CA Brick by Brick w/Butthole Surfers 10/30/2001 Los Angeles,CA Knitting Factory w/Butthole Surfers 10/31/2001 San Francisco,CA Great American Music Hall w/Butthole Surfers 11/02/2001 Seattle,WA tba w/Butthole Surfers 11/03/2001 Portland,OR Roseland Ballroom w/Butthole Surfers 11/05/2001 Salt Lake City,UT tba w/Butthole Surfers 11/06/2001 Denver,CO Ogden w/Butthole Surfers 11/08/2001 Chicago,IL Metro w/Butthole Surfers 11/09/2001 Detroit,MI St Andrews Hall w/Butthole Surfers 11/10/2001 Toronto,Ontario Opera House w/Butthole Surfers 11/11/2001 Cleveland,OH Odeon w/Butthole Surfers 11/13/2001 St. Louis,MO Galaxy w/Butthole Surfers 11/15/2001 Austin,TX tba w/Butthole Surfers 11/16/2001 Austin,TX tba w/Butthole Surfers -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

What has happened to IDM? I went out last night to hear Kit Klaton, I love many of his records, and I expected to hear some music, instead it was just noise from a PA that had no mid and sounded like mud... Isn't there any live acts and records coming out that sound like music? you know, melody, harmony... Can someone please help me out and list a few records and artists who are still making music and not random noise based music? I respect and understand that some of you, many of you, really like the way IDM has gone, but for me, I'm finding it difficult to maintain vision in this genre. I could list artists and records as examples of this turn. =((( a sad Sebastian / astaplatz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The dates on the Ipecac differ from those on the butthole surfers site: http://www.buttholesurfers.com/tourbutt.html --- omz <omz23@speakeasy.net> wrote:

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> from the Ipecac site > > http://www.ipecac.com/calendar.php > > North American tour by kid 606 opening for the Butthole Surfers!!!!!! > If you have not seen the Buttholes live.....do it!!!!!! > > kid606 > Date Location Venue > 10/16/2001 Northampton,MA Pearl Street w/Butthole Surfers > 10/17/2001 Boston,MA Paradise w/Butthole Surfers > 10/18/2001 Philadelphia,PA Theatre of Living Arts w/Butthole Surfers > 10/19/2001 New York,NY The World w/Butthole Surfers > 10/21/2001 Atlanta,GA Cotton Club w/Butthole Surfers > 10/23/2001 Houston,TX Numbers w/Butthole Surfers > 10/24/2001 Dallas,TX Gypsy Ballroom w/Butthole Surfers > 10/27/2001 Phoenix,AZ Bash on Ash w/Butthole Surfers > 10/28/2001 San Diego,CA Brick by Brick w/Butthole Surfers > 10/30/2001 Los Angeles,CA Knitting Factory w/Butthole Surfers > 10/31/2001 San Francisco,CA Great American Music Hall > w/Butthole Surfers > 11/02/2001 Seattle,WA tba w/Butthole Surfers > 11/03/2001 Portland,OR Roseland Ballroom w/Butthole Surfers > 11/05/2001 Salt Lake City,UT tba w/Butthole Surfers > 11/06/2001 Denver,CO Ogden w/Butthole Surfers > 11/08/2001 Chicago,IL Metro w/Butthole Surfers > 11/09/2001 Detroit,MI St Andrews Hall w/Butthole Surfers > 11/10/2001 Toronto,Ontario Opera House w/Butthole Surfers > 11/11/2001 Cleveland,OH Odeon w/Butthole Surfers > 11/13/2001 St. Louis,MO Galaxy w/Butthole Surfers > 11/15/2001 Austin,TX tba w/Butthole Surfers > 11/16/2001 Austin,TX tba w/Butthole Surfers > > > -- > > > > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- > omz > > beautamous loaf recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 2 lines The dates on the Ipecac differ from those on the butthole surfers site:

>The dates on the Ipecac differ from those on the butthole surfers site: >http://www.buttholesurfers.com/tourbutt.html

Yeah looks like Ipecac jumped the gun a little...the dates on the Surfers' page are legit. Tickets are on sale for many dates as we speak. -- ________________________ omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Holy shit this is so annoying, finally a show worth going to comes to New Mexico, and it just happens to be the week I'm in New York!Cheeswhiz fucking christ. I havent seen the Buttholes since I was like 17. And have never seen Kid 606, although I bet he would play some evil shit opening for them. Dagdrastit.... --- omz <omz23@speakeasy.net> wrote:

quoted 27 lines The dates on the Ipecac differ from those on the

> >The dates on the Ipecac differ from those on the > butthole surfers site: > >http://www.buttholesurfers.com/tourbutt.html > > > Yeah looks like Ipecac jumped the gun a little...the > dates on the > Surfers' page are legit. Tickets are on sale for > many dates as we > speak. > > > > > -- > ________________________ > omz > > beautamous loaf recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf > > > > > > >

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I'm listening to the Mp3 samples off thier website and man this music really sucks. What ever happened to the band that made Locust Abortion Technician, Hairway to Steven, Psychic Powerless...did the quit taking acid or just get old and stupid? Or both? This shit sounds like Cake or one of those stupid bands that are on the radio.Is there any good music off this album? --- omz <omz23@speakeasy.net> wrote:

quoted 27 lines The dates on the Ipecac differ from those on the

> >The dates on the Ipecac differ from those on the > butthole surfers site: > >http://www.buttholesurfers.com/tourbutt.html > > > Yeah looks like Ipecac jumped the gun a little...the > dates on the > Surfers' page are legit. Tickets are on sale for > many dates as we > speak. > > > > > -- > ________________________ > omz > > beautamous loaf recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf > > > > > > >

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i quit listening to the buttholes after hairway that was in those days too commercial like around the same time metallica megadeth and anthrax went too commercial after master sells the living. does anyone think the same thing will happen with this idm thing? you would think not but go listen to the old buttholes and listen to the new ones. same thing happened with the band that done tumbling tumble weeds and then they came out with that huevos. back to the buttholes: what song was shes lying in the graveyard i speak to her daily but she has nothing to say? u forgot cream corn in the socket of davis. over to this stuff: who done buffalo gals go whak? and if you want to ride then ride the white horse? brings up this: the freaks come out at night rock my rhymes shes tricky fat boys dougie fresh jam master j oops sorry u guys butthole surfers brought out some of those pre butane memories they are kind of a bridge into some parts of my inner holograms. what ever happened to that genre (john ray) called cess? did it become ska and just came into the mainstream the latter part of the last decade or what? z = z squared plus c mail out

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Chispas De Muerte [mailto:generentropy@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:03 PM > To: InDirtyMinds > Subject: [idm] Speaking of the Buthole Surfers... > > > I'm listening to the Mp3 samples off thier website and > man this music really sucks. What ever happened to the > band that made Locust Abortion Technician, Hairway to > Steven, Psychic Powerless...did the quit taking acid > or just get old and stupid? Or both? This shit sounds > like Cake or one of those stupid bands that are on the > radio.Is there any good music off this album? >

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quoted 5 lines I'm listening to the Mp3 samples off thier website and

>I'm listening to the Mp3 samples off thier website and >man this music really sucks. What ever happened to the >band that made Locust Abortion Technician, Hairway to >Steven, Psychic Powerless...did the quit taking acid >or just get old and stupid? Or both?

Can't say that I'm surprised. I started losing faith in the Buttholes with Piouhgd, and completely gave up with Independent Worm Saloon. I've heard that they still put on a good live show, but as far as recorded stuff goes, they're more than 10 years past their prime. Greg ("There's a time to fuck, and a time to pray... but the Shah sleeps in Lee Harvey's grave!!!!") --- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 12 lines At 09:03 PM 05/10/01, you wrote:

>At 09:03 PM 05/10/01, you wrote: >>I'm listening to the Mp3 samples off thier website and >>man this music really sucks. What ever happened to the >>band that made Locust Abortion Technician, Hairway to >>Steven, Psychic Powerless...did the quit taking acid >>or just get old and stupid? Or both? > >Can't say that I'm surprised. I started losing faith in the >Buttholes with Piouhgd, and completely gave up with Independent Worm >Saloon. I've heard that they still put on a good live show, but as >far as recorded stuff goes, they're more than 10 years past their >prime.

man guys, lighten up on the old Surfers :) i would have to say that next to pink floyd and skinny puppy, the surfers are next in line as far as influencing what i am listening to today...and now that they fully embrace and abuse electronics and beats, they have come full circle... for me, the surfers will never surpass 1987's hairway to steven, yet i still love 'em and support them...maybe i'm crazy, possibly because i'm from texas? and just like floyd and puppy, the buttholes still put on a DAMN good live show. -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"yeaahhhhhhh aaargrrhhh gruuuuuuut pfffffffftttt", " ééééééé, tjirptjirp, bweuuuuuuuurk, prrrrrrrrtttttttttttt".... Lady sniff i'm not kidding: this was a hit at parties in 1982/3 or so... Played at a nostalgia dj-set last month and had great fun with the reactions. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

now that they fully embrace and abuse

quoted 3 lines electronics and

> electronics and > beats, they have come full circle... >

Yeah I wish they were, at least the stuff that I heard sounded like they went down to thier local electronic beat store and bought a can of pre-fab cheezball alt-electronic-rock beats and did nothing creative with them.Maybe I'm wrong though and there is some good stuff on that new album, I havent heard the whole thing. I mean they used to do really fucked up wierd shit with sound back in the day and it sounds like they quit doing that in the interest of making money. Same goes with Ween, they used to be great thier first few albums and then quit getting stoned and fucking around and got real "talent" or something, and then thier music just got really bad. It sounds like RDJ still has a little of that fucking around and fucking with people kind of thing going on with his music- I was listening to a few of the piano tracks off that new album going "this has to be a joke because this song is just so repugnant and stupid he wants to see how people react"..not only that but as a friend of mine pointed out is Richard D James a made up name, because the initials are Dick D.J. Go figure... Well at least Kid 606 will piss off all the jocks that show up... --- omz <omz23@speakeasy.net> wrote:

quoted 68 lines At 09:03 PM 05/10/01, you wrote:

> >At 09:03 PM 05/10/01, you wrote: > >>I'm listening to the Mp3 samples off thier website > and > >>man this music really sucks. What ever happened to > the > >>band that made Locust Abortion Technician, Hairway > to > >>Steven, Psychic Powerless...did the quit taking > acid > >>or just get old and stupid? Or both? > > > >Can't say that I'm surprised. I started losing > faith in the > >Buttholes with Piouhgd, and completely gave up with > Independent Worm > >Saloon. I've heard that they still put on a good > live show, but as > >far as recorded stuff goes, they're more than 10 > years past their > >prime. > > man guys, lighten up on the old Surfers :) > > i would have to say that next to pink floyd and > skinny puppy, the > surfers are next in line as far as influencing what > i am listening to > today...and now that they fully embrace and abuse > electronics and > beats, they have come full circle... > > for me, the surfers will never surpass 1987's > hairway to steven, yet > i still love 'em and support them...maybe i'm crazy, > possibly because > i'm from texas? > > and just like floyd and puppy, the buttholes still > put on a DAMN good > live show. > > -- > > > > ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- > omz > > beautamous loaf recordings > http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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quoted 3 lines Isn't there any live acts and records coming out that sound like >music?

>Isn't there any live acts and records coming out that sound like >music? >you >know, melody, harmony...

I'd recommend reading two things, Sebastian. "Newman: The Instant" and "The Sublime and the Avant-Garde," both brief essaysby Jean-Pierre Lyotard. The former is a simple introduction to Lyotard's take on the sublime [breaking from both Burke and Kant], and the latter is a much more detailed analysis. One of his major points is that the avant-garde often forgets the possibility of nothing; in the case of music, of NO sound, NO melody, nothing figuratively digstinguishable. While many IDMers still work within those conventions you're looking for, others have realized the fact that by not PRESENTING but actually being the PRESENCE, they are exploring exciting and uncharted territory. peace m... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

good music, destiny's child, oval, john wiese, missy elliot, or what have you, should be able to show you why you should like it without having to rhapsodize over it in pretentious academic tongues. i mean, i like all sorts of music, someone here made a really good point a few weeks ago-- "the difference between noise and music is intent"-- but you either like something or you don't... i don't think that you should have to read an instructional manual on how to appreciate something in order to enjoy it... gregory --- ". m e ." <runawayslinky@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines I'd recommend reading two things, Sebastian.

> I'd recommend reading two things, Sebastian. > "Newman: The Instant" and "The > Sublime and the Avant-Garde," both brief essaysby

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quoted 2 lines What has happened to IDM?

> What has happened to IDM? > I went out last night to hear Kit Klaton, I love many of his records, and

I

quoted 1 line expected to hear some music, instead it was just noise from a PA that had

> expected to hear some music, instead it was just noise from a PA that had

no

quoted 3 lines mid and sounded like mud...

> mid and sounded like mud... > > Isn't there any live acts and records coming out that sound like music?

you

quoted 6 lines know, melody, harmony...

> know, melody, harmony... > > Can someone please help me out and list a few records and artists who are > still making music and not random noise based music? > > I respect and understand that some of you, many of you, really like the

way

quoted 15 lines IDM has gone, but for me, I'm finding it difficult to maintain vision in

> IDM has gone, but for me, I'm finding it difficult to maintain vision in > this genre. I could list artists and records as examples of this turn. > > =((( > > a sad Sebastian / astaplatz > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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----- Original Message ----- From: ". m e ." <runawayslinky@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:42 PM

quoted 11 lines Isn't there any live acts and records coming out that sound

> > >Isn't there any live acts and records coming out that sound > >like music? you know, melody, harmony... > > [...] the avant-garde often forgets the possibility of nothing; > in the case of music, of NO sound, NO melody, nothing > figuratively digstinguishable. > > While many IDMers still work within those conventions you're > looking for, others have realized the fact that by not > PRESENTING but actually being the PRESENCE, they are exploring

Yeah, but do you enjoy it? "Don't write the email, *BE* the email..." Actually, forget I said anything. I like bits of everything and hate bits of everything - to each their own. What I really wanted to say is: isn't it a little early for the list to head towards this discussion again? I mean, the "It's all noise these days, what happened to Black Dog and B12?" discussion comes up every few months, I know, but it feels like we just had it. Can't we all just wait until December to have it again? -Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org