IDM Mailing Archive

2001-08-16 16:52Philip Sherburne>No actually you can always go to Amoeba and get some IDM but you can't = >listen to it. >

From:: Philip Sherburne <psherburne@jeevessolutions.com>
To:: 'idm@hyperreal.org' <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:52:35 -0700
Subject:: [idm] SF music stores

quoted 4 lines No actually you can always go to Amoeba and get some IDM but you can't =

>No actually you can always go to Amoeba and get some IDM but you can't = >listen to it. >There *are* good places to get good music out here but no one let's you = >listen anymore :-(

Not true. Open Mind has both turntables and CD players, allowing you to listen to anything they have in stock. And basically any DJ-oriented store will allow you to listen to vinyl (don't know the status of CDs), such as Tweekin', Clear, Compound, Housewares, Soundworks. And Aquarius has a well-stocked listening station, with probably 50 or so CDs in it, and I'm sure if you asked nicely they'd put on just about any ol' thing to give you a taste. In short, there are plenty of places to listen before you buy in SF. Philip

2001-08-16 17:07William SamuelsOpen Mind is always the first place I hit when I go to SF. I always find lots of stuff. Th

From:: William Samuels <w_technoir@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] SF music stores
Reply to:: [idm] SF music stores

Open Mind is always the first place I hit when I go to SF. I always find lots of stuff. The used section almost always has some gems in it. Tweekin' usually has a few things I'm looking for. The usually have lots of Chain Reaction, BC and Detroit releases. Amoeba has some great stuff too.. It's hard to not drop a ton of money when you go there. PS - When is the LA Amoeba opening? September? --- Philip Sherburne <psherburne@jeevessolutions.com> wrote:

quoted 25 lines No actually you can always go to Amoeba and get

> >No actually you can always go to Amoeba and get > some IDM but you can't = > >listen to it. > >There *are* good places to get good music out here > but no one let's you = > >listen anymore :-( > > Not true. Open Mind has both turntables and CD > players, allowing you to > listen to anything they have in stock. And basically > any DJ-oriented store > will allow you to listen to vinyl (don't know the > status of CDs), such as > Tweekin', Clear, Compound, Housewares, Soundworks. > And Aquarius has a > well-stocked listening station, with probably 50 or > so CDs in it, and I'm > sure if you asked nicely they'd put on just about > any ol' thing to give you > a taste. > > In short, there are plenty of places to listen > before you buy in SF. > > Philip

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2001-08-16 18:00Static BeatsYeah yeah yeah I know... Someone was bound to mention Open Mind. That's a dope record shop

From:: Static Beats <static@staticbeats.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:00:23 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] SF music stores + Ogg Vorbis

Yeah yeah yeah I know... Someone was bound to mention Open Mind. That's a dope record shop. The backbins are very nice as well. Not much in the way of IDM at *any* of the stores listed here recently though. So I guess we've veered way off topic as off course I know you can listen to *records* at record stores. These stores stock house, jungle, techno, trance etc. I guess my comments were more about general record stores, the RIAA, returns, exchanges, MP3's etc. Now were just talking about anything at all and stretching the point of the original posts though. It's all good though because this is actually something I'm very interested in and it's the first thread I've actually followed in quite a while. Regarding Ogg Vorbis - I think the problem is the 'time to market'. It is still in a Beta stage and a 1.0 version has yet to be released - currently it is a Release Candidate 2 (RC2). The lack of an officially stable version makes it fairly difficult for a mass migration to happen. I'm all for it though and I've heard the sound quality is much better than MP3. Important questions are this: Is it a streamable format (for eg. Shoutcast/Live365)? Does it compress to a comparable filesize as MP3's? Will the portable player makers (eg. Creative, RIO etc.) upgrade the Bios to support Ogg Vorbis (as they have with Windows Media)? Will it be much longer befor a stable release is out? Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com | Electronic Music For The Mind http://www.shimone.org | Pictures From The Soul ----- Original Message ----- From: William Samuels To: idm@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [idm] SF music stores Open Mind is always the first place I hit when I go to SF. I always find lots of stuff. The used section almost always has some gems in it. Tweekin' usually has a few things I'm looking for. The usually have lots of Chain Reaction, BC and Detroit releases. Amoeba has some great stuff too.. It's hard to not drop a ton of money when you go there.

2001-08-16 19:04Adam Piontek--- Static Beats <static@staticbeats.com> wrote: > Regarding Ogg Vorbis - I think the prob

From:: Adam Piontek <apiontek@yahoo.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Cc:: <static@staticbeats.com>
Date:: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:04:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] Ogg Vorbis
Reply to:: Re: [idm] SF music stores + Ogg Vorbis

--- Static Beats <static@staticbeats.com> wrote:

quoted 6 lines Regarding Ogg Vorbis - I think the problem is the

> Regarding Ogg Vorbis - I think the problem is the > 'time to market'. It is still in a Beta stage and a > 1.0 version has yet to be released - currently it is > a Release Candidate 2 (RC2). The lack of an > officially stable version makes it fairly difficult > for a mass migration to happen.

This is true, too - It's not at 1.0 yet, but it probably will be soon. IMHO, now is the time for programmers to start adding support for it to their software, and they are. After my earlier message to the list about Ogg, I went and asked some MP3-catalogue authors if they would add support for Ogg to their programs. The guy who made the program I use now (MPEG Audio Collection) said he was working on it, and another author (of "Deep's MP3 Base") said the next version of his program would include Ogg support. As for encoders/players, the next WinAmp will support Ogg (there's already a plugin thad adds support to the current version), and aside from the encoders on vorbis.com, there's a program called FreeRip (I think) that does Ogg.

quoted 2 lines I'm all for it though and I've heard the sound

> I'm all for it though and I've heard the sound > quality is much better than MP3.

Try out the RC2 encoder - definitely sounds better to my non-audiophile ears...

quoted 1 line Is it a streamable format (for eg.

> Is it a streamable format (for eg.

Shoutcast/Live365)? They talk about its stereaming capabilities/potential in the FAQ at vorbis.com - it's supposed to be streamable.

quoted 1 line Does it compress to a comparable filesize as MP3's?

> Does it compress to a comparable filesize as MP3's?

Definitely! Try it out - it sounds better at lower bitrates than MP3, and at the same bitrate, it's basically the same size.

quoted 3 lines Will the portable player makers (eg. Creative, RIO

> Will the portable player makers (eg. Creative, RIO > etc.) upgrade the Bios to support Ogg Vorbis (as > they have with Windows Media)?

I think many already are; if not, I don't see why they wouldn't, since it's free for them, and adds another "feature" that they can list and sell ;)

quoted 2 lines Will it be much longer befor a stable release is

> Will it be much longer befor a stable release is > out?

This, you'll have to ask them about. I have no idea. I don't even generally pay attention to this stuff, but Ogg impressed me today and I've been looking into it for that reason... -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Re: [idm] SF music stores + Ogg Vorbis