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John,

quoted 2 lines What I'm interested in is -- does anyone feel that the existence of this

>What I'm interested in is -- does anyone feel that the existence of this >list has affected the development of IDM music? If so, how?

The short answer is YES! It certainly did from a networking perspective as it enabled like minded artists and labels to network and really got some great collaborations happening. Regards, John http://www.aural-industries.com.au _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Additionally, the incestuous nature of gathering/giving recommendations and reviews via the list (something which certainly couldn't be measured and certainly varies, i.e., "influence") might certainly have an affect on the listmembers...and given that many have gone on to be/are becoming successful artists in the genre who will in turn have some impact on others making music, I think it's undeniable. Not to mention some level of "acceptance" albeit extremely limited. When you get fairly mainstream rags mentioning IDM-l on occasion, someone apparently thinks it has import and exerts some type of affectation. jeff At 07:47 PM 7/7/2001, Aural Industries wrote:

quoted 8 lines John,

>John, > >>What I'm interested in is -- does anyone feel that the existence of this >>list has affected the development of IDM music? If so, how? > >The short answer is YES! It certainly did from a networking perspective as >it enabled like minded artists and labels to network and really got some >great collaborations happening.

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On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Mxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 6 lines Additionally, the incestuous nature of gathering/giving recommendations and

> Additionally, the incestuous nature of gathering/giving recommendations and > reviews via the list (something which certainly couldn't be measured and > certainly varies, i.e., "influence") might certainly have an affect on the > listmembers...and given that many have gone on to be/are becoming > successful artists in the genre who will in turn have some impact on others > making music, I think it's undeniable.

Exhibit A: The artwork for Artificial Intelligence II contained images of IDM-list e-mail. Exhibit B: A lot of magazines -- Urb in particular -- has chosen 'IDM' as a marketing pidgeonhole. IDM (the list) gets namechecked all the time -- artists denigrate it for being a bunch of anal chinstrokers, but there's always the idea that having a good buzz on IDM gives an artist some sort of credibility it wouldn't otherwise have. I think that IDM(the list) is really more of a mirror than a generator. For a lot of people (myself included) the fact of its existence has been an enabling factor in making my own music; ultimately, however, music made soley to impress the IDM listers is a doomed enterprise. For one thing, like any other audience, IDM is fickle. For another, Art can't be designed by committee. And the IDM list is a vanishingly small slice of the record-buying public. Remember your Vonnegut: what we have here is a Karass -- a synthetic grouping of presumably like-minded people who look to the list for validation. But there's a certain sad quality to it that it holds in common with Trekkies, Beanie Baby Collectors, and Miniature Poodle Breeders. It's all well and good to find your tribe, but just talking to people who you agree with is ultimately sterile and incestuous. IDM is at it's best when people actually write about music with some descriptive effort; we don't all have to be Simon Reynolds (ack!) but if IDM is a mostly list about a list about music. We all know who writes stuff worth reading; if everyone would aspire to be that entertaining and informative, it would be much better. The world's hard disks are already clogged with 'me too' posts and silly flame wars. The first silly flame war I participated in was in 1983; when I see another one come on I just start leaning on my D key. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Wait, you mean a granfalloon, since we don't really have anything in common other than the fact that we're on the same list. It's like saying you have something in common with someone just because you went to the same college :D cheers, /derek

quoted 6 lines Remember your Vonnegut: what we have here is a Karass -- a synthetic grouping

>Remember your Vonnegut: what we have here is a Karass -- a synthetic grouping >of presumably like-minded people who look to the list for validation. But >there's a certain sad quality to it that it holds in common with Trekkies, >Beanie Baby Collectors, and Miniature Poodle Breeders. It's all well and >good to find your tribe, but just talking to people who you agree with is >ultimately sterile and incestuous.

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