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quoted 23 lines Sorry... but could you give us an example of these so-called "great" rap

> >Sorry... but could you give us an example of these so-called "great" rap >artists? One's that don't rip samples from otherwise classic songs, or >that >don't contain obsessant profanity pointing out how "hard done by" the >artist >is? > >I didn't grow up the 'hood, but I find that rap is an outlet for rage and >anger geared towards young black males that don't know any better than to >'buy' scads of cds by artists that churn out mindless amounts of repetitive >drivel speaking of some woman's 'bootie' they 'boned' last night. > >I find rap to be complete crap quite plain and simple. The days of >creativity have obviously run out with todays rap, and if you think >electronic artists should look towards rap as influence, the genre itself >will be ruined. > >Just my two cents :) > >- Dan J. > >

if anyone on this list is also on the wire list this same argument was had on their and it ended up going nowhere.......by the way: REPETITVE DRIVEL, we'll just forget the SCADS of IDM people who unleash REPETITVE DRIVEL every day chris v _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines If it wasnt for raps inovation and

>If it wasnt for raps inovation and >experimentation we would still be listening to elitist >academic boring stuff or disco white people music.

Brief point of contention - while I wasn't there for it, my understanding is that disco originated with deep roots in the black (and gay) community, and evolved as a racially integrated phenomenon. So "disco white people music" isn't quite correct. At least, not the disco of the Paradise Garage, etc. - perhaps the later disco of Saturday Night Fever, etc. Quick to pick a nit, Philip

From: Philip Sherburne <psherburne@mindspring.com>

quoted 1 line Brief point of contention - while I wasn't there for it, my understanding

> Brief point of contention - while I wasn't there for it, my understanding

is that disco originated with

quoted 1 line deep roots in the black (and gay) community, and evolved as a racially

> deep roots in the black (and gay) community, and evolved as a racially

integrated phenomenon. So

quoted 1 line "disco white people music" isn't quite correct.

> "disco white people music" isn't quite correct.

I agree (I wasn't there either, but we can both read). Similarly, house music and all that Detroit stuff had a big black influence, not least because TR-808/909s were cheap and easily available in the 80s while all the happening musicians were rushing out to buy Korg Wavestations. Techno music (by which I include everything from cheesey rave to psy trance to IDM) seems to have wound up as a largely white phenomenon, not least because of the perception that you need a bunch of expensive gear (and serious gearheadedness) to make it, while a single Akai MPC or (previously cheap) SP1200, some decks, and a chill record selection are sufficient to put together the most ill hip-hop record. In the Bay Area at least, the black people I've met at techno parties who are into making music mention that, the fact that the techno crowd is 99% white, and the drug-taking patterns as the main reason that there are so few black people on the techno scene. Anig Browl _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org