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Yeah, I have to agree on this point. In the SF Bay area, the whole IDM thing came directly from parties in the early 90's. It's kind of coming full circle again, at least with the more IDM-ish parties, but it's very true the rave scene and IDM scene are very separate. The IDM scene here is pretty mixed with the indie rock people, which I personally think is a good thing. I'm kind of over the whole "rave" thing anyway. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen(of Zygote) > http://www.undertheradar.net

quoted 47 lines From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>

>From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] idm'er, the rare breed? or not? >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:38:55 -0500 > >[EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu>] > > idm started as an armchair genre. That's why there's so much growing >pains > > about playing live now :D > >I disagree, and this is a misconception that kind of gets to me... I >think IDM turned into an armchair genre, and I think that's why I don't >like it anymore. > >The early IDM was all dance-oriented and played at Raves. Aphex was >playin raves in the US in 93 and Autechre was in like 95 or so... > >I don't know how many people on this list have been raving for a long >time, but ambient rooms were common place and people danced to things >like Aphex, the Orb, Orbital, etc. > >The second wave of IDM took this and completely removed it from rave >culture and started to somehow think that they were above rave culture >in some way. The third wave is kind of refreshing in that they're >knocking down the stuffiness, but they're still anti-rave for some >reason. Lesser even admitted in an interview that he's never been to an >interview (the article is on his site). > >This somewhat ties in with what somebody said earlier about liking >Autechre but not liking Miami Bass... In the same way it annoys me when >people talk about stuff like Squarepusher or Aphex and won't pay any >respect to jungle, techno, house or even most jazz fusion. > >It really annoys me that IDM is almost no longer welcome at raves. I've >only gotten to play a few because they're so divorced, but it's >seriously great when it works out. > >-- >:: atomly :: > >atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com >http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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It seems to me like raves are about going to dance to good music. Where IDM has focused less on the dancing aspect and focused more on the creative process of writting the music. Incorporating a different type of feeling that easily matches that of the "indie" scene. I personally am not really to thrilled nor am I against either scene, they have a purpose and they serve them well. I like to see bands play, not necessarily to shake my booty to, but just to see the production of music. I like to see what it is that makes these artists tick. I have noticed that those who go to raves don't really go to see the artist, but if they do, it is for different reasons why someone would want to go see autechre or aphex. I mean, come on, do you really think you can dance to it? Maybe the genre should be changed to IM vs IDM. Too me, IDM has become listening music vs dancing music. on 4/26/01 3:26 PM, under the radar at analog_life@hotmail.com wrote:

quoted 9 lines Yeah, I have to agree on this point. In the SF Bay area, the whole IDM thing

> > Yeah, I have to agree on this point. In the SF Bay area, the whole IDM thing > came directly from parties in the early 90's. It's kind of coming full > circle again, at least with the more IDM-ish parties, but it's very true the > rave scene and IDM scene are very separate. > > The IDM scene here is pretty mixed with the indie rock people, which I > personally think is a good thing. I'm kind of over the whole "rave" thing > anyway.

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quoted 11 lines It seems to me like raves are about going to dance to good music. Where

>It seems to me like raves are about going to dance to good music. Where >IDM has focused less on the dancing aspect and focused more on the >creative >process of writting the music. >I have noticed that those who go to raves don't really go to see the >artist, >but if they do, it is for different reasons why someone would want to go >see >autechre or aphex. Maybe the genre should be changed to IM vs IDM. >Too me, IDM has >become listening music vs dancing music.

werd werd you have hit the nail on the head. i go to parties about once a month to see the artist, but i have to confess, most ppl don't. seein as how i go clean, not for pill poppin, -- and go to dance and see ltj bukem or dj hype or mickey finn or any other jungle dj i like - that makes me quite different from a decent number of party kids. on the other hand: when i saw dj spooky (dunno if you'd consider him idm but file under futurism i think is totally idm) a few wks ago, i was quite disappointed cuz the show was so disjointed and he just basically was cuttin and droppin too much for ANYONE to be able to dance to his stuff. i dunno when i go to a show i like to have somethin to do with my body... erica --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I have heard many classify him as "illbient", but I know what you mean by him being legitimate for IDM. on 4/28/01 8:14 AM, Erica A. Mitchell at eamitch@learnlink.emory.edu wrote:

quoted 2 lines (dunno if you'd consider him idm

> (dunno if you'd consider him idm > but file under futurism i think is totally idm)

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I was just wondering if there are many other idm'ers out there who, like myself, don't have much of a frame of reference when it comes to clubs and live IDM... people, who listen to IDM now because they once discovered it from a friend who lent them a cd once upon a time; hooking them for all eternity on this wonderfully, brilliant stuff. (props to Chris M.) People who did not enter IDM from the club scene. Do you think this happens more these days? Or is that type of IDM'er still a rarity? -matT nashville.tn np arovane « the storm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 04:41 PM 4/26/2001 -0700, Matthew Guest wrote:

quoted 10 lines I was just wondering if there are many other idm'ers out there who, like

>I was just wondering if there are many other idm'ers out there who, like >myself, don't have much of a frame of reference when it comes to clubs and >live IDM... people, who listen to IDM now because they once discovered it >from a friend who lent them a cd once upon a time; hooking them for all >eternity on this wonderfully, brilliant stuff. (props to Chris M.) > >People who did not enter IDM from the club scene. > >Do you think this happens more these days? Or is that type of IDM'er still a >rarity?

I think it's hard to get into a type of music in a club setting. Either you're going to a club to see someone specific (previous interest), or you're mackin' on chicks. idm started as an armchair genre. That's why there's so much growing pains about playing live now :D cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now updated daily --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 2 lines idm started as an armchair genre. That's why there's so much growing pains

> idm started as an armchair genre. That's why there's so much growing pains > about playing live now :D

I disagree, and this is a misconception that kind of gets to me... I think IDM turned into an armchair genre, and I think that's why I don't like it anymore. The early IDM was all dance-oriented and played at Raves. Aphex was playin raves in the US in 93 and Autechre was in like 95 or so... I don't know how many people on this list have been raving for a long time, but ambient rooms were common place and people danced to things like Aphex, the Orb, Orbital, etc. The second wave of IDM took this and completely removed it from rave culture and started to somehow think that they were above rave culture in some way. The third wave is kind of refreshing in that they're knocking down the stuffiness, but they're still anti-rave for some reason. Lesser even admitted in an interview that he's never been to an interview (the article is on his site). This somewhat ties in with what somebody said earlier about liking Autechre but not liking Miami Bass... In the same way it annoys me when people talk about stuff like Squarepusher or Aphex and won't pay any respect to jungle, techno, house or even most jazz fusion. It really annoys me that IDM is almost no longer welcome at raves. I've only gotten to play a few because they're so divorced, but it's seriously great when it works out. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

The early IDM was all dance-oriented and played at Raves. Aphex was playin raves in the US in 93 and Autechre was in like 95 or so... I don't know how many people on this list have been raving for a long time, but ambient rooms were common place and people danced to things like Aphex, the Orb, Orbital, etc. Well, I started to go to Raves in the early 90s and it was very refreshing, coming and still being at the time very active in the HC/Noisy scene I could relate to some of the Independant politics of Techno. Free Parties were nice... The second wave of IDM took this and completely removed it from rave culture and started to somehow think that they were above rave culture in some way. Well, to me it is more like the Rave movement became very much business-related. Raves started to look like huge Discos and attitude and music changed. The third wave is kind of refreshing in that they're knocking down the stuffiness, but they're still anti-rave for some reason. Lesser even admitted in an interview that he's never been to an interview (the article is on his site). Does this surprise you ?!!? LSR isn't part of the Rave culture, thankfully. You know he sounds like the kind of man who grew up with Punk music and had a life before Techno... So no surprise that he doesn't brlong to the Rave Generation. This somewhat ties in with what somebody said earlier about liking Autechre but not liking Miami Bass... In the same way it annoys me when people talk about stuff like Squarepusher or Aphex and won't pay any respect to jungle, techno, house or even most jazz fusion. Many people are narrow-minded, it is their right and they miss something. Too bad for them, not for you. It really annoys me that IDM is almost no longer welcome at raves. As far as I'm concerned I had stopped going to Raves years ago, not that I mean to generalize, but the ones offered over here are generally very bad. I've only gotten to play a few because they're so divorced, but it's seriously great when it works out. -- :: atomly :: I totally agree with this and actually I'm struggling for that. Some people I know here have been organising Raves since a decade and are now the biggest Rave entrepreneurs in the area. I'm trying to convince them to offer me a space/room in their huge Raves so that I can redecorate it, screen great art on the walls, and play some IDM. Hopefully it could happen... philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** TENNIS : europe on horseback [bleep 03] Europe on Horseback, as its title suggests, is a relaxed voyage. The rhythms slowly draw you into a cushioned saddle and an electronic trot then begins, taking us through fields of bubble bass, valleys of sonic glitches, and mountains blooming with digitalia. Not quite as minimal as Pole but just as deep. They never break into a gallop, conserving energy rather than letting it run wild. This record is a form of deconstructed dub / house which avoids 4/4 time at every corner creating a relaxed, challenging and accessible electronica lined with interesting bass lines. A great full-length from bip-hop stables. REVIEW WRITTEN BY Black Sifichi - www.novaplanet.com BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 [bleep 02] 20 exclusive tracks, 70+ mns of music and comes in a 6 page Digipack including a booklet w/ infos on each musician AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE BiP-HOp Generation v.1 [bleep 01] v. 1 offers 74 mns of music and comes in a 6 page Digipack including a booklet w/ infos on each musician : MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

umm... what's a rave? - Dan J. snootch to da mutha fuckin noooooootch! -----Original Message----- From: philippe petit [mailto:philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr] Sent: April 27, 2001 12:19 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] idm'er, the rare breed? or not? The early IDM was all dance-oriented and played at Raves. Aphex was playin raves in the US in 93 and Autechre was in like 95 or so... I don't know how many people on this list have been raving for a long time, but ambient rooms were common place and people danced to things like Aphex, the Orb, Orbital, etc. Well, I started to go to Raves in the early 90s and it was very refreshing, coming and still being at the time very active in the HC/Noisy scene I could relate to some of the Independant politics of Techno. Free Parties were nice... The second wave of IDM took this and completely removed it from rave culture and started to somehow think that they were above rave culture in some way. Well, to me it is more like the Rave movement became very much business-related. Raves started to look like huge Discos and attitude and music changed. The third wave is kind of refreshing in that they're knocking down the stuffiness, but they're still anti-rave for some reason. Lesser even admitted in an interview that he's never been to an interview (the article is on his site). Does this surprise you ?!!? LSR isn't part of the Rave culture, thankfully. You know he sounds like the kind of man who grew up with Punk music and had a life before Techno... So no surprise that he doesn't brlong to the Rave Generation. This somewhat ties in with what somebody said earlier about liking Autechre but not liking Miami Bass... In the same way it annoys me when people talk about stuff like Squarepusher or Aphex and won't pay any respect to jungle, techno, house or even most jazz fusion. Many people are narrow-minded, it is their right and they miss something. Too bad for them, not for you. It really annoys me that IDM is almost no longer welcome at raves. As far as I'm concerned I had stopped going to Raves years ago, not that I mean to generalize, but the ones offered over here are generally very bad. I've only gotten to play a few because they're so divorced, but it's seriously great when it works out. -- :: atomly :: I totally agree with this and actually I'm struggling for that. Some people I know here have been organising Raves since a decade and are now the biggest Rave entrepreneurs in the area. I'm trying to convince them to offer me a space/room in their huge Raves so that I can redecorate it, screen great art on the walls, and play some IDM. Hopefully it could happen... philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** TENNIS : europe on horseback [bleep 03] Europe on Horseback, as its title suggests, is a relaxed voyage. The rhythms slowly draw you into a cushioned saddle and an electronic trot then begins, taking us through fields of bubble bass, valleys of sonic glitches, and mountains blooming with digitalia. Not quite as minimal as Pole but just as deep. They never break into a gallop, conserving energy rather than letting it run wild. This record is a form of deconstructed dub / house which avoids 4/4 time at every corner creating a relaxed, challenging and accessible electronica lined with interesting bass lines. A great full-length from bip-hop stables. REVIEW WRITTEN BY Black Sifichi - www.novaplanet.com BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 [bleep 02] 20 exclusive tracks, 70+ mns of music and comes in a 6 page Digipack including a booklet w/ infos on each musician AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE BiP-HOp Generation v.1 [bleep 01] v. 1 offers 74 mns of music and comes in a 6 page Digipack including a booklet w/ infos on each musician : MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org