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man, hopefully you are kidding or else you must be both rich and also the musical gadget industry's best customer! The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and beautiful than the sound generated by DSP processes.... I would consider the sound of a waterfall for instance or the ocean or insects at night (and not on CD) to be greater than the entire output of all IDM artists put together.... probably greater than all sounds made by humanity itself throughout our entire history.... In the same way as a real sunset is more beautiful than any work of art or photography by humans... Of course this is my bias... maybe some of you think a dog turd on the sidewalk is the most beautiful thing... it is still nature.... in essence, DSP processes are at their root natural, because math and the physics of sound on which the algorithims are based originate in nature, but they are like the genetic engineering of sound... they are like the human reductionistic tendency taken to the extreme and applied to the nature of sound... I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will have melody in it, right? or rythym???? if it doesn't have melody, rythym, tones, etc.... is it music? is noise music? is silence music? is my fart music? anyway... peace out.... I need to get back to work writing code..... Andrew Schrock wrote:

quoted 10 lines If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're

> > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication towards > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or > samplers. > > Andrew > > PS: Anybody not using Kyma is a fag too, Atom Heart and Autechre, you are > the only ones off the hook.

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quoted 16 lines The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and

>The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and >beautiful than the sound generated by DSP processes.... I would consider >the sound of a waterfall for instance or the ocean or insects at night >(and not on CD) to be greater than the entire output of all IDM artists >put together.... probably greater than all sounds made by humanity >itself throughout our entire history.... In the same way as a real >sunset is more beautiful than any work of art or photography by >humans... Of course this is my bias... maybe some of you think a dog >turd on the sidewalk is the most beautiful thing... it is still >nature.... > >in essence, DSP processes are at their root natural, because math and >the physics of sound on which the algorithims are based originate in >nature, but they are like the genetic engineering of sound... they are >like the human reductionistic tendency taken to the extreme and applied >to the nature of sound...

Same with violins, etc. They're all still man-made; it's not like there's some cello tree in south africa or something. We made the instruments we played before, and we make oscillators and we're going to keep making instruments. But, to go along with the natural sounds you mentioned before, how is a waterfall more natural than a drum? How are humans not natural? :P Why is water falling over a rock face more complex than my finger plucking a string? :b

quoted 4 lines I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will

>I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will >have melody in it, right? or rythym???? if it doesn't have melody, >rythym, tones, etc.... is it music? is noise music? is silence music? is >my fart music?

Or burp music - see Mike & Rich. cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now updated daily --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will

>>I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will >>have melody in it, right? or rythym???? if it doesn't have melody, >>rythym, tones, etc.... is it music? is noise music? is silence music? is >>my fart music? > >Or burp music - see Mike & Rich.

Or Stock, Hausen and Walkman...the 'Hang Ups' 7" has one of the greatest burp-fests of all time. Classic. -- _____ omz _____ Beautamous Loaf Recordings -streaming audio http://www.mp3.com/stations/beautamous_loaf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i feel it is far more interesting to hear synthetic sounds i have never heard before, than sounds of nature. It is a treat to hear new synthesis, not to hear another bird or wind. unless you are a Naturalist. :) ~swamay~ www.mp3.com/swamay www.swamay.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Bown" <josh@undertone.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc: <aschrock@cs.brandeis.edu> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?

quoted 30 lines man, hopefully you are kidding or else you must be both rich and also

> man, hopefully you are kidding or else you must be both rich and also > the musical gadget industry's best customer! > > The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and > beautiful than the sound generated by DSP processes.... I would consider > the sound of a waterfall for instance or the ocean or insects at night > (and not on CD) to be greater than the entire output of all IDM artists > put together.... probably greater than all sounds made by humanity > itself throughout our entire history.... In the same way as a real > sunset is more beautiful than any work of art or photography by > humans... Of course this is my bias... maybe some of you think a dog > turd on the sidewalk is the most beautiful thing... it is still > nature.... > > in essence, DSP processes are at their root natural, because math and > the physics of sound on which the algorithims are based originate in > nature, but they are like the genetic engineering of sound... they are > like the human reductionistic tendency taken to the extreme and applied > to the nature of sound... > > I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will > have melody in it, right? or rythym???? if it doesn't have melody, > rythym, tones, etc.... is it music? is noise music? is silence music? is > my fart music? > > anyway... peace out.... I need to get back to work writing code..... > > Andrew Schrock wrote: > > > > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months,

you're

quoted 1 line a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication

> > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication

towards

quoted 6 lines forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or

> > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or > > samplers. > > > > Andrew > > > > PS: Anybody not using Kyma is a fag too, Atom Heart and Autechre, you

are

quoted 7 lines the only ones off the hook.

> > the only ones off the hook. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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At 03:17 PM 4/10/2001 -0700, swamay wrote:

quoted 4 lines i feel it is far more interesting to hear synthetic sounds i have never

>i feel it is far more interesting to hear synthetic sounds i have never >heard before, than sounds of nature. >It is a treat to hear new synthesis, not to hear another bird or wind. >unless you are a Naturalist. :)

How is one of these more synthetic than the other? If i sample a bird or if i create one using some form of synthesis, it's still the same waveform hitting your ears. Granted, I'd be more interested if *I* was making the synthesized sound, but it's still a bird, or wind sound. a sound is a sound is a sound. I like some sounds more than others due to my experiences in life. That doesn't make one or the other better. You know, there's a reason that most "synths" sound like "synths" - because the sounds that occur in non-oscillator land are so complex that they're nearly impossible using the tools your KYMA has. Simply disregarding sounds that are all around you in favor of "sparkly new technology" is dumb. cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now updated daily --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org