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2001-04-10 20:56Josh Bown [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
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2001-04-10 22:19swamay Re: [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
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2001-04-10 22:23Josh Bown Re: [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
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2001-04-10 20:56Josh Bownman, hopefully you are kidding or else you must be both rich and also the musical gadget i
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man, hopefully you are kidding or else you must be both rich and also the musical gadget industry's best customer! The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and beautiful than the sound generated by DSP processes.... I would consider the sound of a waterfall for instance or the ocean or insects at night (and not on CD) to be greater than the entire output of all IDM artists put together.... probably greater than all sounds made by humanity itself throughout our entire history.... In the same way as a real sunset is more beautiful than any work of art or photography by humans... Of course this is my bias... maybe some of you think a dog turd on the sidewalk is the most beautiful thing... it is still nature.... in essence, DSP processes are at their root natural, because math and the physics of sound on which the algorithims are based originate in nature, but they are like the genetic engineering of sound... they are like the human reductionistic tendency taken to the extreme and applied to the nature of sound... I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will have melody in it, right? or rythym???? if it doesn't have melody, rythym, tones, etc.... is it music? is noise music? is silence music? is my fart music? anyway... peace out.... I need to get back to work writing code..... Andrew Schrock wrote:
quoted 10 lines If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're> > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication towards > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or > samplers. > > Andrew > > PS: Anybody not using Kyma is a fag too, Atom Heart and Autechre, you are > the only ones off the hook.
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2001-04-10 22:01EggyToast>The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and >beautiful than the sou
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quoted 16 lines The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and>The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and >beautiful than the sound generated by DSP processes.... I would consider >the sound of a waterfall for instance or the ocean or insects at night >(and not on CD) to be greater than the entire output of all IDM artists >put together.... probably greater than all sounds made by humanity >itself throughout our entire history.... In the same way as a real >sunset is more beautiful than any work of art or photography by >humans... Of course this is my bias... maybe some of you think a dog >turd on the sidewalk is the most beautiful thing... it is still >nature.... > >in essence, DSP processes are at their root natural, because math and >the physics of sound on which the algorithims are based originate in >nature, but they are like the genetic engineering of sound... they are >like the human reductionistic tendency taken to the extreme and applied >to the nature of sound...
Same with violins, etc. They're all still man-made; it's not like there's some cello tree in south africa or something. We made the instruments we played before, and we make oscillators and we're going to keep making instruments. But, to go along with the natural sounds you mentioned before, how is a waterfall more natural than a drum? How are humans not natural? :P Why is water falling over a rock face more complex than my finger plucking a string? :b
quoted 4 lines I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will>I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will >have melody in it, right? or rythym???? if it doesn't have melody, >rythym, tones, etc.... is it music? is noise music? is silence music? is >my fart music?
Or burp music - see Mike & Rich. cheers, /derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- now updated daily --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-11 00:25omz>>I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will >>have melody in it
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quoted 6 lines I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will>>I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will >>have melody in it, right? or rythym???? if it doesn't have melody, >>rythym, tones, etc.... is it music? is noise music? is silence music? is >>my fart music? > >Or burp music - see Mike & Rich.
Or Stock, Hausen and Walkman...the 'Hang Ups' 7" has one of the greatest burp-fests of all time. Classic. -- _____ omz _____ Beautamous Loaf Recordings -streaming audio http://www.mp3.com/stations/beautamous_loaf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-10 22:19swamay> If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're > a reflection
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quoted 4 lines If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're> If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication towards > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or > samplers.
I agree with that statement. Be an innovator. Either way have fun though! ~swamay~ www.mp3.com/swamay www.swamay.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Bown" <josh@undertone.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc: <aschrock@cs.brandeis.edu> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
quoted 30 lines man, hopefully you are kidding or else you must be both rich and also> man, hopefully you are kidding or else you must be both rich and also > the musical gadget industry's best customer! > > The sound created by organic means is infinitely more complex and > beautiful than the sound generated by DSP processes.... I would consider > the sound of a waterfall for instance or the ocean or insects at night > (and not on CD) to be greater than the entire output of all IDM artists > put together.... probably greater than all sounds made by humanity > itself throughout our entire history.... In the same way as a real > sunset is more beautiful than any work of art or photography by > humans... Of course this is my bias... maybe some of you think a dog > turd on the sidewalk is the most beautiful thing... it is still > nature.... > > in essence, DSP processes are at their root natural, because math and > the physics of sound on which the algorithims are based originate in > nature, but they are like the genetic engineering of sound... they are > like the human reductionistic tendency taken to the extreme and applied > to the nature of sound... > > I am sure that whatever music you create using Kyma or whatever will > have melody in it, right? or rythym???? if it doesn't have melody, > rythym, tones, etc.... is it music? is noise music? is silence music? is > my fart music? > > anyway... peace out.... I need to get back to work writing code..... > > Andrew Schrock wrote: > > > > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months,
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quoted 1 line a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication> > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication
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quoted 6 lines forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or> > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or > > samplers. > > > > Andrew > > > > PS: Anybody not using Kyma is a fag too, Atom Heart and Autechre, you
are
quoted 7 lines the only ones off the hook.> > the only ones off the hook. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-04-11 02:16Lander--- swamay <swamay@home.com> wrote: > > If you're not using technology developed within th
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--- swamay <swamay@home.com> wrote:
quoted 14 lines If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months,> > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, > you're > > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication > towards > > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or > > samplers. > > > I agree with that statement. Be an innovator. Either way have fun > though! > > > ~swamay~ >
Woah... I thought he was totally kidding! I don't suppose that means you can't agree with him, but still... weird. I could be wrong. Zzb ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-04-10 22:23Josh Bownhey... if you guys could point me to some really "innovative" or "forward" music I would r
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hey... if you guys could point me to some really "innovative" or "forward" music I would really like to hear what I am missing... I will buy the CD, listen and report back with a review.... no synths or samplers allowed, OK? I want to hear the power of pure DSP music... and also, what's next after DSP???? swamay wrote:
quoted 10 lines If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're> > > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 months, you're > > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious dedication towards > > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any synthesizers or > > samplers. > > I agree with that statement. Be an innovator. Either way have fun though! > > ~swamay~ >
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