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2000-10-14 20:40Charles R. Terhune [idm] Arovane
2000-10-14 21:53Dan Re: [idm] Arovane
2000-10-15 02:55Sammy Stedenko Re: [idm] Arovane
└─ 2000-10-16 06:28indecision_of_a_child Re: [idm] Arovane
└─ 2000-10-16 05:57Konstantin Minko RE: [idm] Arovane
2000-10-15 04:09esa ruoho Re: [idm] Arovane
└─ 2000-10-15 10:34Irene McC Re: [idm] Arovane
2000-10-15 09:18Dan Re: [idm] Arovane
2000-10-15 11:31esa ruoho Re: [idm] Arovane
2000-10-15 17:55Mark Stevens Re: [idm] Arovane
2000-10-15 22:19Nick Zavriev Re: [idm] Arovane
2000-10-18 01:10Armchair Charlie Re: [idm] Arovane
2001-03-19 21:36Tati & PJ [idm] Arovane
2001-03-20 14:21Scott Allison [idm] Recent E*Vax releases...
├─ 2001-03-20 17:06Brian M. Cass [idm] arovane
└─ 2001-03-20 22:45Lance @ Inaudible Re: [idm] E*Vax, Fleischmann & Warmdesk...
2001-03-20 17:25RE: [idm] arovane
2001-03-20 17:59Stefan Mylleager Re: [idm] arovane
2001-03-20 18:45Gause, Brian RE: [idm] arovane
2001-03-20 18:48Re: [idm] arovane
2001-03-20 19:12Spencer Lytle RE: [idm] arovane
2001-03-20 19:53Re: [idm] arovane
2001-03-20 19:57Gause, Brian RE: [idm] arovane
2001-03-20 20:36RE: [idm] arovane
2001-03-20 23:16me makes you RE: [idm] arovane
2001-03-21 03:53Lukas Bergstrom Re: [idm] arovane
└─ 2001-03-21 05:53Brian M. Cass Re: [idm] arovane
2001-06-21 21:34Ken Beck [idm] arovane
2001-08-10 13:47vis-you [idm] Arovane
└─ 2001-08-11 21:56Mark Stevens Re: [idm] Arovane
2001-08-13 06:24Mark Re: [idm] Arovane
└─ 2001-08-13 14:34zimbo Re: [idm] Arovane
2001-08-13 21:24Mark Re: [idm] Arovane
2003-09-15 23:40Ken Beck [idm] arovane
2003-09-16 07:14Scarcelight Recordings Re: [idm] arovane
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2000-10-14 20:40Charles R. TerhuneJust bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried about the word guitars
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Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried about the word guitars, but it's okay. They're totally integrated beautifully with the music. Any other releases by them I ought to check out? Do they have anything else? Charles/CFOM _________________________________________ CFOM: 411A highland avenue, #312 Somerville, MA 02144 ph. 617.388.7466 http://www.cfom-music.com out now: "Boston not London: Volume One" CFOMCD005 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-14 21:53Dan>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles R. Terhune" <chuck0@cfom-music.com> >Sent: S
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quoted 4 lines ----- Original Message ----->----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles R. Terhune" <chuck0@cfom-music.com> >Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:40 PM >
quoted 6 lines Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried>Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried >about the word guitars, but it's okay. They're totally integrated >beautifully with the music. > >Any other releases by them I ought to check out? Do they have anything >else?
All of arovanes releases, to my mind have been excellent.. head for the Atol Scrap cd on Din, any one of the 3 Din 12", the 12" on FWD or the split 7" single with Christian Kleine on Ackward Silence... Dan. http://www.neoouija.co.uk http://www.madvision.org np. Jeff Mills : Metropolis (Tresor) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 02:55Sammy Stedenkoare the more recent Arovane releases getting any weirder? last thing I heard was Atol Scra
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are the more recent Arovane releases getting any weirder? last thing I heard was Atol Scrap. Instantly likeable, but after repeated listens sounds like an emo Autechre. anyone agree?
quoted 3 lines Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried>Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried >about the word guitars, but it's okay. They're totally integrated >beautifully with the music.
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2000-10-16 06:28indecision_of_a_childIMO: atol scrap is WAY nicer than tides. just listened to it tonight after a very intense
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IMO: atol scrap is WAY nicer than tides. just listened to it tonight after a very intense weekend.. AHHH.. nice stuff. yes, its like autechre, just like that olivia tremor control cd i love is so much like the beatles and syd barrett. its all GOOD, and arovane never seem to let my ears down, though i dont always agree on the pverwhelming love for tides. chris. On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Sammy Stedenko wrote:
quoted 22 lines are the more recent Arovane releases getting any weirder?> > > are the more recent Arovane releases getting any weirder? > last thing I heard was Atol Scrap. Instantly likeable, > but after repeated listens sounds like an emo Autechre. anyone agree? > > >Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried > >about the word guitars, but it's okay. They're totally integrated > >beautifully with the music. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-10-16 05:57Konstantin MinkoTides is more tender and acoustic oriented and might not appeal to most of those who prefe
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Tides is more tender and acoustic oriented and might not appeal to most of those who prefer strict genre boundaries and traditional sounds in idm electronica. I prefer Tides to Atol Scrap though only to address your comment as for me both of them are good in their own way. Is there anything new from them? Alien -----Original Message----- From: indecision_of_a_child [mailto:tofu@falco.kuci.uci.edu] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 10:28 AM To: Sammy Stedenko Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Arovane IMO: atol scrap is WAY nicer than tides. just listened to it tonight after a very intense weekend.. AHHH.. nice stuff. yes, its like autechre, just like that olivia tremor control cd i love is so much like the beatles and syd barrett. its all GOOD, and arovane never seem to let my ears down, though i dont always agree on the pverwhelming love for tides. chris. On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Sammy Stedenko wrote:
quoted 22 lines are the more recent Arovane releases getting any weirder?> > > are the more recent Arovane releases getting any weirder? > last thing I heard was Atol Scrap. Instantly likeable, > but after repeated listens sounds like an emo Autechre. anyone agree? > > >Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried > >about the word guitars, but it's okay. They're totally integrated > >beautifully with the music. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2000-10-15 04:09esa ruoho"Charles R. Terhune" wrote: > Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was
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"Charles R. Terhune" wrote:
quoted 5 lines Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried> Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried > about the word guitars, but it's okay. They're totally integrated > beautifully with the music. > Any other releases by them I ought to check out? Do they have anything > else?
pick up _everything_. everything by uwe zahn is worth a listen. brilliant stuff. what i'm worried about is the recently announced neoouija arovane ambient album. i thought atolscrap/tides were ambient-ish already? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 10:34Irene McCOn 15 Oct 2000, esa ruoho wrote re Re: [idm] Arovane: > what i'm worried about is the rece
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On 15 Oct 2000, esa ruoho wrote re Re: [idm] Arovane:
quoted 2 lines what i'm worried about is the recently announced neoouija arovane> what i'm worried about is the recently announced neoouija arovane > ambient album. i thought atolscrap/tides were ambient-ish already?
So why are you "worried" ? Is more of something beautiful a BAD thing? I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 09:18Dan>----- Original Message ----- >From: "esa ruoho" <esaruoho@dlc.fi> >Sent: Sunday, October
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quoted 14 lines ----- Original Message ----->----- Original Message ----- >From: "esa ruoho" <esaruoho@dlc.fi> >Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 5:09 AM > >>"Charles R. Terhune" wrote: >>Just bought TIDES: Aces! Beautiful! Gorgeous release. I was worried >> about the word guitars, but it's okay. They're totally integrated >> beautifully with the music. >> Any other releases by them I ought to check out? Do they have anything >> else? > >what i'm worried about is the recently announced neoouija arovane >ambient >album. i thought atolscrap/tides were ambient-ish already?
They had beats where as 'bent soil' on Neo ouija is, I am lead to believe a beatless affair. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 11:31esa ruohoIrene McC wrote: > > what i'm worried about is the recently announced neoouija arovane > >
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quoted 4 lines what i'm worried about is the recently announced neoouija arovane> > what i'm worried about is the recently announced neoouija arovane > > ambient album. i thought atolscrap/tides were ambient-ish already? > So why are you "worried" ? Is more of something beautiful a BAD > thing?
's all selfish reasons. all arovane releases i've heard have made me seriously consider quitting --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 17:55Mark StevensHere's a reply to the message "[idm] Arovane" written on Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:40:18 -0400:
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Here's a reply to the message "[idm] Arovane" written on Sat, 14 Oct 2000 16:40:18 -0400:
quoted 2 lines Any other releases by them I ought to check out? Do they have anything>Any other releases by them I ought to check out? Do they have anything >else?
Arovane = Uwe Zahn, so more of a "him" than a "them". There's "Atol Scrap", another full length album on Din. Quite different to "Tides". If "Tides" could be described as BOC-ish, then "Atol Scrap" could be described as Autechre-ish. Perhaps a more complex "Amber". If you like the "Atol Scrap" album, then the "ep", "icol diston", "amx" and "occer/silicad" eps are worth getting hold of too. A few interesting remixes occasionally turn up on Napster too. -- Mark Stevens http://www.headspin.clara.net/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 22:19Nick Zavriev> Arovane = Uwe Zahn, so more of a "him" than a "them". > There's "Atol Scrap", another fu
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quoted 7 lines Arovane = Uwe Zahn, so more of a "him" than a "them".> Arovane = Uwe Zahn, so more of a "him" than a "them". > There's "Atol Scrap", another full length album on Din. Quite > different to "Tides". If "Tides" could be described as BOC-ish, then > "Atol Scrap" could be described as Autechre-ish. Perhaps a more > complex "Amber". > If you like the "Atol Scrap" album, then the "ep", "icol diston", > "amx" and "occer/silicad" eps are worth getting hold of too.
I even prefer his EPs (especially icol discon and io) to 'Atol Scrap' (they're a bit more warm and harmonious), but all of Uwe Zahn's material is very good. One more release that Arovane fans may enjoy is 'Waiting For Snow' by Peter Benisch on FAX. Absolutely gorgeous album, sounds like a mixture of AE's 'Amber', Arovane and Biosphere. I wonder if Peter Benish has any other releases? If yes, what's they like? I've heard he's a techno producer 'normally'. Nick. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-18 01:10Armchair Charlie>'s all selfish reasons. all arovane releases i've heard have >made me seriously consider
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quoted 2 lines 's all selfish reasons. all arovane releases i've heard have>'s all selfish reasons. all arovane releases i've heard have >made me seriously consider quitting
NO ESA!!! Don't quit! Your music is some of the best coming out these days. Know that before you consider quitting. will simmons Cipolin Structure Radio http://www.geocities.com/cipolinstructure/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-19 21:36Tati & PJI think i'm addicted to the Arovane track on the new Bip-Hop compilation. PJ -------------
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I think i'm addicted to the Arovane track on the new Bip-Hop compilation. PJ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-20 14:21Scott AllisonYea i have to totally agree with lance on e*vax, really nice melodic goodies. some fresh b
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Yea i have to totally agree with lance on e*vax, really nice melodic goodies. some fresh beats thrown in for good measure to. I didnt care to much for the new 7", the art fucking rules, but I was disappointed on the music, just seemed kinda flat and preprogrammed, compared to the mastery of parking lot music or the two excellent 7s on static. I got my stiff little fingers crossed that the split with bf will kill me. If you have not heard e*vax you owe it to your self to at least go play his flash pong game on audiodregs. plus e*vax and his brother e*rock are super nice guys. oh yea, if anyone gets a chance you should check out warmdesk. _____________----______--_______________________ scott_allison multimedia_designer mediacentric_group -------------11111————-____————— ++++++ ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] .........................!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00000 ____^^^^^^^^^^ ---------- /////////************************ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-20 17:06Brian M. CassAnyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most overated act currently being m
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Anyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most overated act currently being mentioned? Considering that some people have spoke out against BoC as being weak, when most people think they're sublimed, I'm surprised no one has spoken out against arovane. I concede that the music is well produced and not unpleasant and I've got nothing against people who like arovane, I mean more power to you if you can get into it I guess, but personally, I'd rather listen to Autechre brush their teeth. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-20 22:45Lance @ Inaudible>Yea i have to totally agree with lance on e*vax, really nice melodic >goodies. some fresh
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quoted 8 lines Yea i have to totally agree with lance on e*vax, really nice melodic>Yea i have to totally agree with lance on e*vax, really nice melodic >goodies. some fresh beats thrown in for good measure to. I didnt care to >much for the new 7", the art fucking rules, but I was disappointed on the >music, just seemed kinda flat and preprogrammed, compared to the mastery of >parking lot music or the two excellent 7s on static. I got my stiff little >fingers crossed that the split with bf will kill me. If you have not heard >e*vax you owe it to your self to at least go play his flash pong game on >audiodregs. plus e*vax and his brother e*rock are super nice guys.
yeah i agree with scott that this recent 7" isnt as good as the album or the two previous evax 7"s on audio dregs and static caravan. i also share scott's eagerness to get the e*vax/b.fleischmann split. both artists are perennial favorites of mine. and speaking of b.fleischmann, i just got a copy of the new Bip Hop Vol 2 compilation and mr fleischmann has several tracks on it. on first listen, his tracks on here have a much darker feel, almost unsettling feel to them. But i'll give it some more eartime and comment on the release as a whole later this evening. also on Bip Hop Vol 2 are several tracks from, ironically enough, Warmdesk.
quoted 1 line oh yea, if anyone gets a chance you should check out warmdesk.>oh yea, if anyone gets a chance you should check out warmdesk.
Boy doesnt this message tie together well. Almost like the 13 degrees of idm... anyway, yes i agree with scott about warmdesk. I actually received a demo cassette from Warmdesk three or four years ago and have been a fan ever since. he does a great job of combining warmth, glitch, and melody. He actually released a limited (250 copies?) lathe-cut split 10" with Pimmon last year on the Aposteriori label. I was lucky enough to find one in bent crayon and they actually had one other copy the last time i was in there. I also got a chance to hear bit's of Warmdesk's forthcoming album for Bip Hop. He also has forthcoming releases on Static Caravan and Fallt. So pay special attention to the Warmdesk tracks on the forthcoming Bip Hop 2 comp to get a taste of what's to come from Warmdesk. For more info on Warmdesk as well as a live mp3 freebie, check his website at: http://www.aposteriori.org/ -- -->-Lance---- PO Box 450715 Westlake, OH 44145 United States --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-20 17:25damek@earthling.netI'll second this, for the most part. I have and enjoy Tides, but I don't think it's so ama
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I'll second this, for the most part. I have and enjoy Tides, but I don't think it's so amazing or groundbreaking or whatever some other people think. And other than Tides, I haven't found much of Arovane's work very interesting/captivating/etc. For me, Tides is a nice downtempo, "other people will like it, too" kind of release. Heck, my girlfriend likes it, and she doesn't like most of "that IDM stuff." On the other hand, I also don't think BoC are the great mystical holy grail of music either. I respect them and all, and it does seem that they put more effort into their work than your average twiddler, and it shows, and that's very important. Still, they're just another couple of guys making music. Who isn't? I don't know. Autechre? Aphex? John Sinunu's butt cheeks? No comment. -adam
quoted 25 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian M. Cass [mailto:kingmob@nmt.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:06 PM > To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' > Subject: [idm] arovane > > > Anyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most > overated act > currently being mentioned? Considering that some people have > spoke out > against BoC as being weak, when most people think they're > sublimed, I'm > surprised no one has spoken out against arovane. I concede that the > music is well produced and not unpleasant and I've got nothing against > people who like arovane, I mean more power to you if you can > get into it I > guess, but personally, I'd rather listen to Autechre brush > their teeth. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-20 17:59Stefan MylleagerI really enjoy arovane. And BoC as well, although I don't see the big similarity. One thin
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I really enjoy arovane. And BoC as well, although I don't see the big similarity. One thing tho: I think atol scrap is better than tides. Atol scrap has a more tempo-shifting and organic sound to me, and more interesting details. It's one of my favorite records actually. I don't think it can be compared to autechre (or teeth-brushing) either, it reminds me more of other city-centre offices releases, and systemf3.com-stuff. -stefan "Brian M. Cass" wrote:
quoted 11 lines Anyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most overated act> Anyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most overated act > currently being mentioned? Considering that some people have spoke out > against BoC as being weak, when most people think they're sublimed, I'm > surprised no one has spoken out against arovane. I concede that the > music is well produced and not unpleasant and I've got nothing against > people who like arovane, I mean more power to you if you can get into it I > guess, but personally, I'd rather listen to Autechre brush their teeth. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-03-20 18:45Gause, BrianI mean this in the nicest possible way...but sometimes you guys are such dorks. <smirk> It
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I mean this in the nicest possible way...but sometimes you guys are such dorks. <smirk> It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to make you feel something. Music isn't always about standing tallest in the ivory tower of intellectual sound sculptures. That said, if you like complicated, head-oriented music because you can think about it, more power to you... I go back and forth. I love Tides because it's just a beautiful piece of music. On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually beautiful and can be admired from a different perspective. BoC are more emotionally charged...Speedy J appeals to my adrenaline. It's about mood, perspective and finding the good vibe. That's what attracts me to a piece of music. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: damek@earthling.net [mailto:damek@earthling.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:25 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] arovane I'll second this, for the most part. I have and enjoy Tides, but I don't think it's so amazing or groundbreaking or whatever some other people think. And other than Tides, I haven't found much of Arovane's work very interesting/captivating/etc. For me, Tides is a nice downtempo, "other people will like it, too" kind of release. Heck, my girlfriend likes it, and she doesn't like most of "that IDM stuff." On the other hand, I also don't think BoC are the great mystical holy grail of music either. I respect them and all, and it does seem that they put more effort into their work than your average twiddler, and it shows, and that's very important. Still, they're just another couple of guys making music. Who isn't? I don't know. Autechre? Aphex? John Sinunu's butt cheeks? No comment. -adam
quoted 25 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian M. Cass [mailto:kingmob@nmt.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:06 PM > To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' > Subject: [idm] arovane > > > Anyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most > overated act > currently being mentioned? Considering that some people have > spoke out > against BoC as being weak, when most people think they're > sublimed, I'm > surprised no one has spoken out against arovane. I concede that the > music is well produced and not unpleasant and I've got nothing against > people who like arovane, I mean more power to you if you can > get into it I > guess, but personally, I'd rather listen to Autechre brush > their teeth. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-20 18:48andrei@world.std.com"Gause, Brian" wrote: > It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to m
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quoted 3 lines It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to make you> It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to make you > feel something. Music isn't always about standing tallest in the ivory tower > of intellectual sound sculptures.
Well, that's highly subjective. There are people who would deem any music which doesn't introduce some new idea worthless (i.e. Pierre Boulez) and there are people who compose music more as some sort of scientific experiment not to "make you feel something" (i.e. Xenakis).
quoted 2 lines On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually> On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually > beautiful and can be admired from a different perspective.
Autechre intellectual ? Come on ! And personally I really enjoy Arovane's music, especially recently. I mean I don't think he's quite top tier stuff a la Aphex and Autechre, but he's very high up there in my esteem. You can tell he's been influenced by the standard IDM stuff, but there's a maturity in his work which doesn't relegate it to mere mimicry (i.e. Funkstorung, Fizzarum, etc.). There's something very enthralling about his compositions. He really knows how to create an atmosphere and a mood. I'd say 'thaem neu" off "Atol Scrap" is one of my favorite IDM tracks. I was playing that piece at a party recently and right away a couple of people were like "this is really beautiful". At first I was a lot more into "Tides" than "Atol Scrap", but I find the more I listen to "Atol Scrap" the more it grows on me. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-20 19:12Spencer Lytlewell said. =] Spencer >From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> >To: "'damek@earthling
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well said. =] Spencer
quoted 104 lines From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM>>From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> >To: "'damek@earthling.net'" <damek@earthling.net>, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] arovane >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:45:27 -0800 > >I mean this in the nicest possible way...but sometimes you guys are such >dorks. <smirk> > >It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to make you >feel something. Music isn't always about standing tallest in the ivory >tower >of intellectual sound sculptures. > >That said, if you like complicated, head-oriented music because you can >think about it, more power to you... > >I go back and forth. I love Tides because it's just a beautiful piece of >music. On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually >beautiful and can be admired from a different perspective. BoC are more >emotionally charged...Speedy J appeals to my adrenaline. > >It's about mood, perspective and finding the good vibe. That's what >attracts >me to a piece of music. > >---brian > >------------------------ >Brian W. Gause >Senior Technical Writer >SECTORBASE.com >568 Howard Street >First Floor >San Francisco, CA 94105 >Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 >Fax: (415) 365-8263 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: damek@earthling.net [mailto:damek@earthling.net] >Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:25 AM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: RE: [idm] arovane > > >I'll second this, for the most part. I have and enjoy Tides, but I don't >think it's so amazing or groundbreaking or whatever some other people >think. >And other than Tides, I haven't found much of Arovane's work very >interesting/captivating/etc. > >For me, Tides is a nice downtempo, "other people will like it, too" kind of >release. Heck, my girlfriend likes it, and she doesn't like most of "that >IDM stuff." > >On the other hand, I also don't think BoC are the great mystical holy grail >of music either. I respect them and all, and it does seem that they put >more effort into their work than your average twiddler, and it shows, and >that's very important. Still, they're just another couple of guys making >music. > >Who isn't? I don't know. Autechre? Aphex? John Sinunu's butt cheeks? >No >comment. > >-adam > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian M. Cass [mailto:kingmob@nmt.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:06 PM > > To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' > > Subject: [idm] arovane > > > > > > Anyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most > > overated act > > currently being mentioned? Considering that some people have > > spoke out > > against BoC as being weak, when most people think they're > > sublimed, I'm > > surprised no one has spoken out against arovane. I concede that the > > music is well produced and not unpleasant and I've got nothing against > > people who like arovane, I mean more power to you if you can > > get into it I > > guess, but personally, I'd rather listen to Autechre brush > > their teeth. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-20 19:53andrei@world.std.comI can't even tell what you're going on about. You seem to be contradicting yourself with e
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I can't even tell what you're going on about. You seem to be contradicting yourself with every other statement. Andrei damek@earthling.net wrote:
quoted 102 lines Exactly. His point is that music is subjective, and therefore no one like me should contri> Exactly. His point is that music is subjective, and therefore no one like me should contribute to the list that we don't really think Arovane is that great, because obviously some people like him, which means that he is pretty great. > > Come off it. This list is all about the discussion, recommendation, review, etc. of music. If music is "just subjective" and we should all just like what we like, then what's the point of this list? As if this hasn't been discussed ad nauseum here before, I see no reason why some of us can't write in and express our disinterest with one of the IDM-list's recent "superstars." In fact, I think it's crucial that those who find a particular artist not as exciting as the rest of the list thinks should write in and say so. > > For the millionth time, IDM-l is a list for the discussion of music, specifically the more "experimental electronic" sort, not a fascist club of band-fans. > > A certain amount of geek/dork/nerd-ness is inherent in the very nature of this list. It's a defining element of a music-discussion list, in my opinion. If you don't like it, you don't really have much justification for complaint on those grounds. If some of us feel that Arovane or anyone else is "just another guy making music" (as I think I wrote), that's our right. > > -adam > > np: john sinunu's butt cheeks. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gause, Brian [mailto:bgause@SECTORBASE.COM] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:57 PM > > To: 'andrei@world.std.com'; IDM > > Subject: RE: [idm] arovane > > > > > > Highly subjective? Yes, that was my point exactly. Thank you for > > understanding. > > > > ---brian > > > > ------------------------ > > Brian W. Gause > > Senior Technical Writer > > SECTORBASE.com > > 568 Howard Street > > First Floor > > San Francisco, CA 94105 > > Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 > > Fax: (415) 365-8263 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: andrei@world.std.com [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:49 AM > > To: IDM > > Subject: Re: [idm] arovane > > > > > > "Gause, Brian" wrote: > > > > > It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just > > has to make you > > > feel something. Music isn't always about standing tallest > > in the ivory > > tower > > > of intellectual sound sculptures. > > > > Well, that's highly subjective. There are people who would > > deem any music > > which > > doesn't introduce some new idea worthless (i.e. Pierre > > Boulez) and there are > > people > > who compose music more as some sort of scientific experiment > > not to "make > > you feel > > something" (i.e. Xenakis). > > > > > On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually > > > beautiful and can be admired from a different perspective. > > > > Autechre intellectual ? Come on ! > > > > And personally I really enjoy Arovane's music, especially > > recently. I mean I > > don't > > think he's quite top tier stuff a la Aphex and Autechre, but > > he's very high > > up there > > in my esteem. You can tell he's been influenced by the > > standard IDM stuff, > > but > > there's a maturity in his work which doesn't relegate it to > > mere mimicry > > (i.e. > > Funkstorung, Fizzarum, etc.). There's something very > > enthralling about his > > compositions. He really knows how to create an atmosphere and > > a mood. I'd > > say 'thaem > > neu" off "Atol Scrap" is one of my favorite IDM tracks. I was > > playing that > > piece at a > > party recently and right away a couple of people were like > > "this is really > > beautiful". At first I was a lot more into "Tides" than "Atol > > Scrap", but I > > find the > > more I listen to "Atol Scrap" the more it grows on me. > > > > Andrei > > --------------------------------------------------- > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-03-20 19:57Gause, BrianHighly subjective? Yes, that was my point exactly. Thank you for understanding. ---brian -
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Highly subjective? Yes, that was my point exactly. Thank you for understanding. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: andrei@world.std.com [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:49 AM To: IDM Subject: Re: [idm] arovane "Gause, Brian" wrote:
quoted 2 lines It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to make you> It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to make you > feel something. Music isn't always about standing tallest in the ivory
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quoted 1 line of intellectual sound sculptures.> of intellectual sound sculptures.
Well, that's highly subjective. There are people who would deem any music which doesn't introduce some new idea worthless (i.e. Pierre Boulez) and there are people who compose music more as some sort of scientific experiment not to "make you feel something" (i.e. Xenakis).
quoted 2 lines On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually> On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually > beautiful and can be admired from a different perspective.
Autechre intellectual ? Come on ! And personally I really enjoy Arovane's music, especially recently. I mean I don't think he's quite top tier stuff a la Aphex and Autechre, but he's very high up there in my esteem. You can tell he's been influenced by the standard IDM stuff, but there's a maturity in his work which doesn't relegate it to mere mimicry (i.e. Funkstorung, Fizzarum, etc.). There's something very enthralling about his compositions. He really knows how to create an atmosphere and a mood. I'd say 'thaem neu" off "Atol Scrap" is one of my favorite IDM tracks. I was playing that piece at a party recently and right away a couple of people were like "this is really beautiful". At first I was a lot more into "Tides" than "Atol Scrap", but I find the more I listen to "Atol Scrap" the more it grows on me. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-20 20:36damek@earthling.netExactly. His point is that music is subjective, and therefore no one like me should contri
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Exactly. His point is that music is subjective, and therefore no one like me should contribute to the list that we don't really think Arovane is that great, because obviously some people like him, which means that he is pretty great. Come off it. This list is all about the discussion, recommendation, review, etc. of music. If music is "just subjective" and we should all just like what we like, then what's the point of this list? As if this hasn't been discussed ad nauseum here before, I see no reason why some of us can't write in and express our disinterest with one of the IDM-list's recent "superstars." In fact, I think it's crucial that those who find a particular artist not as exciting as the rest of the list thinks should write in and say so. For the millionth time, IDM-l is a list for the discussion of music, specifically the more "experimental electronic" sort, not a fascist club of band-fans. A certain amount of geek/dork/nerd-ness is inherent in the very nature of this list. It's a defining element of a music-discussion list, in my opinion. If you don't like it, you don't really have much justification for complaint on those grounds. If some of us feel that Arovane or anyone else is "just another guy making music" (as I think I wrote), that's our right. -adam np: john sinunu's butt cheeks.
quoted 83 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Gause, Brian [mailto:bgause@SECTORBASE.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:57 PM > To: 'andrei@world.std.com'; IDM > Subject: RE: [idm] arovane > > > Highly subjective? Yes, that was my point exactly. Thank you for > understanding. > > ---brian > > ------------------------ > Brian W. Gause > Senior Technical Writer > SECTORBASE.com > 568 Howard Street > First Floor > San Francisco, CA 94105 > Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 > Fax: (415) 365-8263 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: andrei@world.std.com [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:49 AM > To: IDM > Subject: Re: [idm] arovane > > > "Gause, Brian" wrote: > > > It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just > has to make you > > feel something. Music isn't always about standing tallest > in the ivory > tower > > of intellectual sound sculptures. > > Well, that's highly subjective. There are people who would > deem any music > which > doesn't introduce some new idea worthless (i.e. Pierre > Boulez) and there are > people > who compose music more as some sort of scientific experiment > not to "make > you feel > something" (i.e. Xenakis). > > > On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually > > beautiful and can be admired from a different perspective. > > Autechre intellectual ? Come on ! > > And personally I really enjoy Arovane's music, especially > recently. I mean I > don't > think he's quite top tier stuff a la Aphex and Autechre, but > he's very high > up there > in my esteem. You can tell he's been influenced by the > standard IDM stuff, > but > there's a maturity in his work which doesn't relegate it to > mere mimicry > (i.e. > Funkstorung, Fizzarum, etc.). There's something very > enthralling about his > compositions. He really knows how to create an atmosphere and > a mood. I'd > say 'thaem > neu" off "Atol Scrap" is one of my favorite IDM tracks. I was > playing that > piece at a > party recently and right away a couple of people were like > "this is really > beautiful". At first I was a lot more into "Tides" than "Atol > Scrap", but I > find the > more I listen to "Atol Scrap" the more it grows on me. > > Andrei
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2001-03-20 23:16me makes you>>> If some of us feel that Arovane or anyone else is "just another guy >>>making music" (
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quoted 2 lines If some of us feel that Arovane or anyone else is "just another guy>>> If some of us feel that Arovane or anyone else is "just another guy >>>making music" (as I think I wrote), that's our right.
sure it is, but if this list begins a heated discussion on whether or not autechre brushing their teeth is more interesting than arovane and the music he has released, i will really begin to worry(although, a la john cage, it could be ground breaking if its done right:) personally, i like it cause it moves me, just like seeing poor people begging and mothers crying moves me, its all emotional, its the differences that make one truelly more interesting and stimulating than the other i havent seen much discussion of EU's album on this list, its not about to be ignored is it; after all, i.m.o, its a lot better than fizzarums, and i've seen enough discussion on them(not to underrate fizzarum) \ brian _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-21 03:53Lukas BergstromThis reminds me of an exchange on rec.music.ambient: A: "Yeah, I listened to Music for Air
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This reminds me of an exchange on rec.music.ambient: A: "Yeah, I listened to Music for Airports...not that impressive. Track 1 is just some piano loops with delay..." B: "Just a lot of...Good Lord, man, did you listen to the NOTES?!" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> To: <damek@earthling.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: RE: [idm] arovane
quoted 5 lines I mean this in the nicest possible way...but sometimes you guys are such> I mean this in the nicest possible way...but sometimes you guys are such > dorks. <smirk> > > It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to make you > feel something. Music isn't always about standing tallest in the ivory
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quoted 11 lines of intellectual sound sculptures.> of intellectual sound sculptures. > > That said, if you like complicated, head-oriented music because you can > think about it, more power to you... > > I go back and forth. I love Tides because it's just a beautiful piece of > music. On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually > beautiful and can be admired from a different perspective. BoC are more > emotionally charged...Speedy J appeals to my adrenaline. > > It's about mood, perspective and finding the good vibe. That's what
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quoted 24 lines me to a piece of music.> me to a piece of music. > > ---brian > > ------------------------ > Brian W. Gause > Senior Technical Writer > SECTORBASE.com > 568 Howard Street > First Floor > San Francisco, CA 94105 > Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 > Fax: (415) 365-8263 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: damek@earthling.net [mailto:damek@earthling.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:25 AM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] arovane > > > I'll second this, for the most part. I have and enjoy Tides, but I don't > think it's so amazing or groundbreaking or whatever some other people
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quoted 4 lines And other than Tides, I haven't found much of Arovane's work very> And other than Tides, I haven't found much of Arovane's work very > interesting/captivating/etc. > > For me, Tides is a nice downtempo, "other people will like it, too" kind
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quoted 4 lines release. Heck, my girlfriend likes it, and she doesn't like most of "that> release. Heck, my girlfriend likes it, and she doesn't like most of "that > IDM stuff." > > On the other hand, I also don't think BoC are the great mystical holy
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quoted 6 lines of music either. I respect them and all, and it does seem that they put> of music either. I respect them and all, and it does seem that they put > more effort into their work than your average twiddler, and it shows, and > that's very important. Still, they're just another couple of guys making > music. > > Who isn't? I don't know. Autechre? Aphex? John Sinunu's butt cheeks?
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quoted 41 lines comment.> comment. > > -adam > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian M. Cass [mailto:kingmob@nmt.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:06 PM > > To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' > > Subject: [idm] arovane > > > > > > Anyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most > > overated act > > currently being mentioned? Considering that some people have > > spoke out > > against BoC as being weak, when most people think they're > > sublimed, I'm > > surprised no one has spoken out against arovane. I concede that the > > music is well produced and not unpleasant and I've got nothing against > > people who like arovane, I mean more power to you if you can > > get into it I > > guess, but personally, I'd rather listen to Autechre brush > > their teeth. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-21 05:53Brian M. Casshaha, I never expected something this rich when I started this thread! On Tue, 20 Mar 2001
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haha, I never expected something this rich when I started this thread! On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Lukas Bergstrom wrote:
quoted 124 lines This reminds me of an exchange on rec.music.ambient:> This reminds me of an exchange on rec.music.ambient: > > A: "Yeah, I listened to Music for Airports...not that impressive. Track 1 > is just some piano loops with delay..." > > B: "Just a lot of...Good Lord, man, did you listen to the NOTES?!" > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gause, Brian" <bgause@SECTORBASE.COM> > To: <damek@earthling.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:45 PM > Subject: RE: [idm] arovane > > > > I mean this in the nicest possible way...but sometimes you guys are such > > dorks. <smirk> > > > > It's music. It doesn't HAVE to be groundbreaking. It just has to make you > > feel something. Music isn't always about standing tallest in the ivory > tower > > of intellectual sound sculptures. > > > > That said, if you like complicated, head-oriented music because you can > > think about it, more power to you... > > > > I go back and forth. I love Tides because it's just a beautiful piece of > > music. On the other hand, Autechre create sound that is intellectually > > beautiful and can be admired from a different perspective. BoC are more > > emotionally charged...Speedy J appeals to my adrenaline. > > > > It's about mood, perspective and finding the good vibe. That's what > attracts > > me to a piece of music. > > > > ---brian > > > > ------------------------ > > Brian W. Gause > > Senior Technical Writer > > SECTORBASE.com > > 568 Howard Street > > First Floor > > San Francisco, CA 94105 > > Direct: (415) 882-1980 x203 > > Fax: (415) 365-8263 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: damek@earthling.net [mailto:damek@earthling.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:25 AM > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: RE: [idm] arovane > > > > > > I'll second this, for the most part. I have and enjoy Tides, but I don't > > think it's so amazing or groundbreaking or whatever some other people > think. > > And other than Tides, I haven't found much of Arovane's work very > > interesting/captivating/etc. > > > > For me, Tides is a nice downtempo, "other people will like it, too" kind > of > > release. Heck, my girlfriend likes it, and she doesn't like most of "that > > IDM stuff." > > > > On the other hand, I also don't think BoC are the great mystical holy > grail > > of music either. I respect them and all, and it does seem that they put > > more effort into their work than your average twiddler, and it shows, and > > that's very important. Still, they're just another couple of guys making > > music. > > > > Who isn't? I don't know. Autechre? Aphex? John Sinunu's butt cheeks? > No > > comment. > > > > -adam > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Brian M. Cass [mailto:kingmob@nmt.edu] > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:06 PM > > > To: 'idm@hyperreal.org' > > > Subject: [idm] arovane > > > > > > > > > Anyone else on this list think arovane is the weakest, most > > > overated act > > > currently being mentioned? Considering that some people have > > > spoke out > > > against BoC as being weak, when most people think they're > > > sublimed, I'm > > > surprised no one has spoken out against arovane. I concede that the > > > music is well produced and not unpleasant and I've got nothing against > > > people who like arovane, I mean more power to you if you can > > > get into it I > > > guess, but personally, I'd rather listen to Autechre brush > > > their teeth. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-06-21 21:34Ken Beckhello all: i'm with helix and donna on this one, and love Arovane. If you like Ae's "Inncu
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hello all: i'm with helix and donna on this one, and love Arovane. If you like Ae's "Inncubala", "Amber", and BOC, i dont see why you wouldnt like arovane. . . all cut from the same cloth in my book but one's man's pleasure is another man's poison as they say . . . His first cd "Atol Scrap" is very autechre sounding and some would even call it derivative, but then again Ae has had such a powerful influence on modern electronica, we could all make lengthy lists of 2nd generation autechre artists. BOC's "music has the right . . ." was also chided as being too Ae sounding when it first came out but it looks like we have all gotten over that. Arovane's "Tides" is simply lovely. Passionate, warm melodies, a little melancholy, and fat hip hop style beats. Michael, if you're friend digs DJ Krush (one of my faves as well), go with "Tides". I could definitely see mixing the two together. Both sparse with a definite vibe to em, and similar laid back tempos but dont expect any scratchin. Also, in the classic hip hop vein: two great labels to check out are: ninjatune (www.ninjatune.net) and old mo wax (http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esvtk/mowax/). a veritable wealth of material here so bring your checkbook. whether or not you can score the instrumental soundtrack to "ghost dog", rent the flick. "black mask" is also a great flick to rent with a hip hop soundtrack. hopefully, "dark days" (scored by dj shadow) will be on video soon as well. this "certain kind of music that hasn't been very clearly pigeon-holed" has been called by many names: trip hop, acid jazz, hip hop avant guard, downtempo, hip tech and now there's bip hop (www.bip-hop.com). idm is an appropriate box as well for much of this music as it all depends on how you define your terms. in the end, these genres are somewhat meaningless as they tend to separate people instead of bringin em together . . . but whatever you want to call this genre, "this" is the arena where new sounds are forged; the space where styles/genres overlap and artists take chances, free from trying to please "one" kind of listener. ciao, Ken On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Helix Tradesman wrote:
quoted 4 lines In a word Arovane. Grab Tides, fantastic laid back stuff. Apparently Atol> In a word Arovane. Grab Tides, fantastic laid back stuff. Apparently Atol > Scrap is good too. I think the most apt description of Arovane I've heard > was that he combines the aesthetics of Ae & BoC, and builds off the best > parts of each.
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2001-08-10 13:47vis-youI have to say that amine is perhaps the most beautiful tune I've heard in quite some time.
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I have to say that amine is perhaps the most beautiful tune I've heard in quite some time. -matT nashville.tn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-11 21:56Mark StevensHere's a reply to the message "[idm] Arovane" written on Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:47:58 -0500:
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Here's a reply to the message "[idm] Arovane" written on Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:47:58 -0500:
quoted 2 lines I have to say that amine is perhaps the most beautiful tune I've heard in>I have to say that amine is perhaps the most beautiful tune I've heard in >quite some time.
Hurrah! Someone with the same fave track as me! I can't understand the folks who've suggested that "Atol Scrap" is just an Autechre rip-off, or just plain boring. The transition from "Amine" into "R/elet" is simply gorgeous. -- Mark Stevens http://www.insertdisc.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-13 06:24MarkMark Stevens wrote: > Here's a reply to the message "[idm] Arovane" written on Fri, 10 Aug
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Mark Stevens wrote:
quoted 11 lines Here's a reply to the message "[idm] Arovane" written on Fri, 10 Aug> Here's a reply to the message "[idm] Arovane" written on Fri, 10 Aug > 2001 08:47:58 -0500: > >> I have to say that amine is perhaps the most beautiful tune I've heard in >> quite some time. > > > Hurrah! Someone with the same fave track as me! I can't understand the > folks who've suggested that "Atol Scrap" is just an Autechre rip-off, > or just plain boring. The transition from "Amine" into "R/elet" is > simply gorgeous.
Oddly enough I vote for R/elet over Amine, but they're both beautiful songs... easily the two highlights of the album. Sadly, I find the title track to be somewhat of a let down, kind of reminding me a bit of Lentic Catachresis on Confield. -mark
2001-08-13 14:34zimbo> Mark Stevens wrote: > > Hurrah! Someone with the same fave track as me! I can't understa
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quoted 1 line Mark Stevens wrote:> Mark Stevens wrote:
quoted 9 lines Hurrah! Someone with the same fave track as me! I can't understand the> > Hurrah! Someone with the same fave track as me! I can't understand the > > folks who've suggested that "Atol Scrap" is just an Autechre rip-off, > > or just plain boring. The transition from "Amine" into "R/elet" is > > simply gorgeous. > > Oddly enough I vote for R/elet over Amine, but they're both beautiful > songs... easily the two highlights of the album. > Sadly, I find the title track to be somewhat of a let down, kind of > reminding me a bit of Lentic Catachresis on Confield.
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2001-08-13 21:24Markyeah i know that. I was making a comparison, not implying whether one ripped off the other
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yeah i know that. I was making a comparison, not implying whether one ripped off the other. zimbo wrote:
quoted 16 lines Mark Stevens wrote:>> Mark Stevens wrote: > >>> Hurrah! Someone with the same fave track as me! I can't understand the >>> folks who've suggested that "Atol Scrap" is just an Autechre rip-off, >>> or just plain boring. The transition from "Amine" into "R/elet" is >>> simply gorgeous. >> >> Oddly enough I vote for R/elet over Amine, but they're both beautiful >> songs... easily the two highlights of the album. >> Sadly, I find the title track to be somewhat of a let down, kind of >> reminding me a bit of Lentic Catachresis on Confield. > > > fyi, the arovane cd came out long before confield.. > >
2003-09-15 23:40Ken Beckcouple days late reading the old digest. . . arovane aka uwe zahn is indeed a real person.
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couple days late reading the old digest. . . arovane aka uwe zahn is indeed a real person. i had the pleasure of meeting him a year ago in berlin. really nice guy and i'm a big fan of his work. Atol Scrap (2000 Din) and Tides (2000 CCO) are classic idm records in my book naturally, ae and aphex influenced everyone to some extent but for me there are 3 artists that picked up the mighty gauntlet autechre threw down after tri repetae in '95. Those artists are : Arovane www.arovane.de/ Funkstorung www.funkstorung.com/ Lusine Icl http://music.calarts.edu/~jmciln/ peace, Ken Beck aka dub exorcist aka travel ensemble ken@travelensemble.com www.travelensemble.com [new website up! check it and feedback welcome . . .] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:42:52 -0400 To: idm@hyperreal.org From: chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> Subject: Re: [idm] arovane / aphex twin Message-Id: <p05210602bb877c81fee5@[64.63.223.32]>
quoted 4 lines uh.>uh. >yeah, it was a joke. sorry. > > .: visa tapani
no problem. humor doesn't always translate over email. it was only a passing thought, although richard d. james is such a crazy and prolific guy he could very well have another alias besides the ones he admits to. however, if anyone assumed arovane was actually some other band's side-project, they probably would have guessed it was autechre from most of the sounds on it. good stuff. d.
quoted 6 lines ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------> > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi> >> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:16:11 +0300 >> > > >Well that's because Arovane IS Aphex Twin!! > > is that a joke? because i'd actually thought of that, but i didn't
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quoted 1 line to offend uwe zahn, assuming he is a real person.> > to offend uwe zahn, assuming he is a real person.
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2003-09-16 07:14Scarcelight Recordingsno disrespect to arovane but who was it that took an arovane 7" (on City centre offices i
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no disrespect to arovane but who was it that took an arovane 7" (on City centre offices i think) and marked out the info and wrote autechre, or something to that effect on it ? seems like it was diskono or something like that.....anyone know what im talking about ?
quoted 23 lines no problem. humor doesn't always translate over email. it was only> > > no problem. humor doesn't always translate over email. it was only > a passing thought, although richard d. james is such a crazy and > prolific guy he could very well have another alias besides the ones > he admits to. however, if anyone assumed arovane was actually some > other band's side-project, they probably would have guessed it was > autechre from most of the sounds on it. good stuff. > > d. > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >> From: "visa" <v.kuoppala@pp.inet.fi> > >> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:16:11 +0300 > >> > > > >Well that's because Arovane IS Aphex Twin!! > > > is that a joke? because i'd actually thought of that, but i didn't > want > > > to offend uwe zahn, assuming he is a real person. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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