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on 3/3/01 7:04 PM, K S at brazil808@hotmail.com wrote: New Age music is weak program music. It's thin and boring and predictable. It's created to elicit a response, usually one of relaxation for busy middle-aged professionals. IDM styles are, well, you know...not New Age. -l

quoted 6 lines Okay, we all understand that there is a difference between Yanni and

> Okay, we all understand that there is a difference between Yanni and > Autechre. But, what exactly is the difference between IDM and new age, > since both appear to share common space under the generic umbrella of > "electronic music"? The reason I ask is that even after all these years, I > have difficulty articulating exactly what it is that I listen to. Anybody > have any ideas?

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On 3 Mar 2001, at 15:16, Lee Azzarello wrote:

quoted 3 lines New Age music is weak program music. It's thin and boring and

> New Age music is weak program music. It's thin and boring and > predictable. It's created to elicit a response, usually one of > relaxation for busy middle-aged professionals.

Exactly. The words New Age Music conjure up visions of reiki, shiatsu and other types of holistic massage background relaxing atmosphere-setting ambience. Nothing wrong with *that*, but it ain't IDM. I * ** You know, if you're upside down, things fall up ** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Lee Azzarello wrote:

quoted 3 lines New Age music is weak program music. It's thin and boring and predictable.

> New Age music is weak program music. It's thin and boring and predictable. > It's created to elicit a response, usually one of relaxation for busy > middle-aged professionals. IDM styles are, well, you know...not New Age.

the "New Age" tag, like a few nebulous genres, seems to be one that derives more from context (individual artists and record labels) rather than musical elements. I mean, Brian Eno has spent the bulk of a couple decades pumping out this kind of stuff, but nobody seems to have a problem with it. (Maybe if Windham Hill name-checked Satie in their press-releases, they might fare better in the art world.) The progenitors of new age were basically the German progressive band Popol Vuh (and a few of their contemporaries, including Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream and Manuel Gottsching). All of these guys made some pretty crucial records in their early exploration of what would birth the new age genre, but that's neither here nor there. I do, however, think they are much more rewarding listening experience than just about any Peter Namlook-related record (which some people may actually consider IDM). So basically, my point is: yes, a vast majority of New Age is pre-digested pablum of Gerbersesque consistency, but they hardly have a monopoly in this regard. -rob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, K S wrote:

quoted 3 lines The reason I ask is that even after all these years, I

> The reason I ask is that even after all these years, I > have difficulty articulating exactly what it is that I listen to. Anybody > have any ideas?

After all these years, I have difficulty understanding why people still feel a need to *have* to articulate exactly what it is that they listen to. Explaining one's music listening habits to parents, friends, etc. and confusing the fuck out of them is one of the reservoirs of joys that rarely any music geek taps. ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

oh harsh tokes my friend if you cant tell the differrence between your vangelis and your IDM- I think IDM is one of those broad terms applied to a number of different styles of music kinda like the blanket term"TECHNO" and then there are all kinds of subterms like jungle, d'n b, etc... defining different rythmic variations or styles.the interesting and great thing about the new electronic stuff is that it's unable to be pigionholed into catagories, because there is so much variety and unique sounds out there. I usually tell people i listen to strange electronic stuff or uh like wierd um well listen to this... but chances are if you are describing the music you listen to as " electronic ambient flute music with whale sounds, gregorian chant samples and native american chants" you are listening to new age music. If you cant really describe with words what you are listening to its probly some where out there in the great vaste IDM land... --- K S <brazil808@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 12 lines Okay, we all understand that there is a difference

> Okay, we all understand that there is a difference > between Yanni and > Autechre. But, what exactly is the difference > between IDM and new age, > since both appear to share common space under the > generic umbrella of > "electronic music"? The reason I ask is that even > after all these years, I > have difficulty articulating exactly what it is that > I listen to. Anybody > have any ideas? >

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There is always a diference betweem good and bad music. Almost all electronic music is bad, only when there is inovation and/or good compositions one can say it is good. What happens is that 99.9 % of New Age sucks greatly. With some exceptions, like Tangerine Dream in the 70's. Keep listening IDM, is more safe ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: K S <brazil808@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: [idm] IDM = new age?

quoted 4 lines Okay, we all understand that there is a difference between Yanni and

> Okay, we all understand that there is a difference between Yanni and > Autechre. But, what exactly is the difference between IDM and new age, > since both appear to share common space under the generic umbrella of > "electronic music"? The reason I ask is that even after all these years,

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Hate to burst your bubble but Aphex's Selected Works II is one of the 'new age' classics of our time, but above and beyond any stereotypes, there have been some excellent releases. I always saw a corrolation in SanFran between the development of the Hearts of Space record label, Jonah Sharps Reflective, and Asphodel, who released the really 'new age' Swarms of Drones series a couple years back. Check out Steve Roach or Vidna Obmana on Hearts of Space for some really good dark ambient music. Windy and Carl or Stars of the Lid on Kranky is about as new age as you can get... who said this: "Your parents listened to Tangerine Dream, you listen to Kranky." old Klause Schultze is really weird dark stuff, Brian Eno pretty much wrote the book on new age. Monolake, Burger/Ink, most Ninja Tune records seem really mellow to me. Kruder and Dorfmeister, Theivery Corporation, are ready for the elevator. Like IDM in 10 years, there's a lot of crap in any new age section. There are however some really good pre-IDM pieces of electronic music that shouldnt be overlooked. Just be selective and listen with an open mind. On 3 Mar 2001, at 15:16, Lee Azzarello wrote:

quoted 1 line New Age music is weak program music. It's thin and

> New Age music is weak program music. It's thin and

boring and

quoted 1 line predictable. It's created to elicit a response,

> predictable. It's created to elicit a response,

usually one of

quoted 1 line relaxation for busy middle-aged professionals.

> relaxation for busy middle-aged professionals.

Exactly. The words New Age Music conjure up visions of reiki, shiatsu and other types of holistic massage background relaxing atmosphere-setting ambience. Nothing wrong with *that*, but it ain't IDM. I * ** You know, if you're upside down, things fall up ** ===== Peter Lasell - CTRL Design www.abattoir.com/~flint/ san francisco | brooklyn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org