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RE: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers

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2001-02-13 15:18Jesse McCoppin RE: [idm] re: napster
2001-02-13 16:30Rjyan Kidwell [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
└─ 2001-02-13 17:11mantra RE: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
2001-02-13 18:38Gause, Brian RE: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
2001-02-17 00:14mantra [idm] RE: get your napstarr out of my coffers
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2001-02-13 15:18Jesse McCoppinHere here! I would have never even gotten into electronica AT ALL if it werent for MP3. Th
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Jesse McCoppin
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'TekDz9ER@aol.com'
Cc:
'IDM list'
Date:
Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:18:22 -0700
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RE: [idm] re: napster
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Here here! I would have never even gotten into electronica AT ALL if it werent for MP3. The first MP3 I downloaded was and Aphex Twin track, and after that I went and bought every release available. I do download tracks that are out of print, which I think is just as fair as some asshole at a record label saying, "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if we only made 500 copies of this album? That way no one will be able to listen to it!". To that I say, more power to you. Ya could have made more money if you'd made 50,000 instead of 500. Instead, they give me no choice but to get it for free, when I probably would have been happy to purchase it. To bring up a recent topic, we were talking about how lots of people here only like one or 2 aphex twin songs. If this is the case, who would be dumb enough to spend $13-20 on a CD when it only has 6 tracks to begin with, and only one or two MIGHT be good? No wonder people use napster, they just want the good song, not the other crappy 5. In all realism, it is up to the label, RIAA, artist, etc to make the first gesture of peace. Maybe at first you will lose some money if you sell music at a reasonable price, because people will still be getting MP3's instead of buying, but soon that trend will die, and people will buy the real copy again. It's also up to the artist to make the CD WORTH it. Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth listening to, and quit thinking your time is sooooo valuable that you have to make millions instead of hundreds of thousands. Any person who has a head on their shoulders should be able to live just as well with half a million dollars a year as they could with 10 mil a year. How greedy do you have to be? What happened to making music for the sake of making music? It's all about the $$ now. Did Mozart charge $40 for people to hear his music? I think not. I believe that an artist should be fairly compensated for his work, but not overcompensated to the point that one minute he's living in a 400 sq. ft. apartment and the next he's giving spare change to Bill Gates. MP3 can help the industry if the industry would allow it to.
quoted 49 lines ----------> ---------- > From: TekDz9ER@aol.com > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:10 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] re: napster > > Them sounds like fightin' words ta me. But I won't start a fight. I just > > want to say that without Napster, I would never have been able to > experience > some of the great music in our scene. There are so many artists nowadays, > > some good some bad, lots of conflicting opinions on this list. I'm > grateful > that I've been able to find out for myself without having shelled out > hundreds of dollars on crap. Although I sympathize with artists and > labels > who truly believe that they've lost substantial amounts of profit due to > Napster, my truth is that if I discover something that I believe to be a > winner, I'll go out and buy the real thing. So no money lost there. And > it's a great way to stock up on classic and deleted records that one would > > never be able to purchase at any retail music store again. Life sucks > now. > And to all up and coming idm/electronic artists: I'm awfully sorry, but I > > just can't afford to buy all of your music. > > TekDz9er > > <Thank God Napster took another kicking...fuck off and die you > thieves...if > > tossers like napster wasn't bootlegging artists work, maybe more people > > could concentrate on content rather than spending most of their time doing > > crap work to pay the rent, while the corporates just get richer from their > > sweat. > > > Apollon> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-02-13 16:30Rjyan Kidwell> Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth > listening to, and quit thinking your time is
From:
Rjyan Kidwell
To:
Jesse McCoppin
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'IDM list'
Date:
Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:30:54 -0500
Subject:
[idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
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quoted 9 lines Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth> Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth > listening to, and quit thinking your time is sooooo valuable that you have > to make millions instead of hundreds of thousands. Any person who has a > head on their shoulders should be able to live just as well with half a > million dollars a year as they could with 10 mil a year. > I believe that an artist should be fairly compensated > for his work, but not overcompensated to the point that one minute he's > living in a 400 sq. ft. apartment and the next he's giving spare change to > Bill Gates.
Maybe when you're dropping albums as hot as me and my rich IDM friends are, you'll tell Harvey Weinstein, "No Harvey, no, I don't want your million dollar advance. I only want half a million." Then you'll get laughed out of the club and have to join Bill Gates on the curb begging for pocket change from me when I come through in a fur coat and 4 Rolex watches on each arm. Jesse, let me tell you a secret: people who make "music for the sake of music" make BAD music. Go over to mp3.com and click around for a bit, you'll see what I mean. Regular people just can't make good music. They don't have the hunger, the ambition to go higher and higher, necessary to. And they certainly don't understand what it's like to be a star with gold on and different styles of pants and shoes to buy for the MTV music awards. -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-13 17:11mantraI cant believe you've said that... You're actually saying that without striving for some m
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Date:
Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:11:53 -0700
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RE: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
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I cant believe you've said that... You're actually saying that without striving for some monetary reward from music, music can not be pushed enough to be good. I guess with posts talking about Mozart's cool $400,000 cheques and with the extremely intense pressure we are under thanks to western (economy) society, that remark can actually be supported... that's what makes this so sad. however, i usually find that the people who are striving the most to make the dollar of their 'art' usually have the most noticeable shit in the way of production - and certainly lose 200% of any respect i might have had for them as an artist. But i guess that doesn't matter much when you get to sit next to puffy at the mtv awards. for the love.. of... this took me an hour to write. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ n a t e . s c h m o l d n e f e r i u . r e c o r d s w w w . n e f e r i u . c o m 4 0 3 . 2 6 5 . 2 6 2 3 -----Original Message----- From: Rjyan Kidwell [mailto:cex@tigerbeat6.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:31 AM To: Jesse McCoppin Cc: 'IDM list' Subject: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers Jesse, let me tell you a secret: people who make "music for the sake of music" make BAD music. Go over to mp3.com and click around for a bit, you'll see what I mean. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-13 18:38Gause, Brianthis is a moot argument. as long as some people are being paid to make music, the majority
From:
Gause, Brian
To:
'mantra' , Rjyan Kidwell ,
Date:
Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:38:26 -0800
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RE: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
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this is a moot argument. as long as some people are being paid to make music, the majority of listenable music will be paid for...that's why you see this division between "good" and "bad". If money were not involved, you wouldn't see this. So it's wrong to say people who make music for the sake of music write bad music. Many musicians today who get paid are doing it for the music...they just happen to get paid, too. Some musicians are doing it for the money. Some music is shit, too. The result is that people who write unlistenable or "crap" music aren't getting paid and, therefore, do it for the sake of the music. But this doesn't mean everyone who does it for the sake of the music makes bad music. It's bad logic. ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: mantra [mailto:mantra@neferiu.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:12 AM To: Rjyan Kidwell; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers I cant believe you've said that... You're actually saying that without striving for some monetary reward from music, music can not be pushed enough to be good. I guess with posts talking about Mozart's cool $400,000 cheques and with the extremely intense pressure we are under thanks to western (economy) society, that remark can actually be supported... that's what makes this so sad. however, i usually find that the people who are striving the most to make the dollar of their 'art' usually have the most noticeable shit in the way of production - and certainly lose 200% of any respect i might have had for them as an artist. But i guess that doesn't matter much when you get to sit next to puffy at the mtv awards. for the love.. of... this took me an hour to write. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ n a t e . s c h m o l d n e f e r i u . r e c o r d s w w w . n e f e r i u . c o m 4 0 3 . 2 6 5 . 2 6 2 3 -----Original Message----- From: Rjyan Kidwell [mailto:cex@tigerbeat6.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:31 AM To: Jesse McCoppin Cc: 'IDM list' Subject: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers Jesse, let me tell you a secret: people who make "music for the sake of music" make BAD music. Go over to mp3.com and click around for a bit, you'll see what I mean. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-17 00:14mantrafiddle dee dee. sorry for any offense. its a touchy subject with me. ;) NO SELLING OUT ALO
From:
mantra
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Date:
Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:14:39 -0700
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[idm] RE: get your napstarr out of my coffers
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fiddle dee dee. sorry for any offense. its a touchy subject with me. ;) NO SELLING OUT ALOUD! well you can 'sell out' just dont brag about being better that those mp3.com kids who try so hard to fashion beats in Rebirth. They worked for a full hour on their track called "mEgA-aCiD-rAvE".. so they deserve the respect. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ n a t e . s c h m o l d n e f e r i u . r e c o r d s w w w . n e f e r i u . c o m 4 0 3 . 2 6 5 . 2 6 2 3 -----Original Message----- From: William Simmons [mailto:wdsimmo@uark.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:23 PM To: mantra@neferiu.com; idm@hyperreal.org; cex@tigerbeat6.com Subject: get your napstarr out of my coffers the terrible musician was joking