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quoted 7 lines CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS!

>> > CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! >> >> I've got to say that I agree with this. I haven't ever really cared >>about any of the playlists ever posted to this mailing-list. Useless >>information really. What's the point? A vanity post for self promotion? > >

ooo, ooo and another thing... What about all those posts asking "Hey, what's going on in this city on this date?" Well, tune in to some of these radio shows while you're in that city and call the host or just listen to what the host has to say. And think about this... What if you've got a friend in Los Angeles but isn't on the IDM list and therefore doesn't see my playlists and might not know about my show. Then perhaps you, upon seeing my playlists, could inform that friend of my show. Genius, huh? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:42:09PM +0000, brian albers uttered:

quoted 4 lines And think about this...

> And think about this... > What if you've got a friend in Los Angeles but isn't on the IDM list and > therefore doesn't see my playlists and might not know about my show. Then > perhaps you, upon seeing my playlists, could inform that friend of my show.

So you're saying we should be out there actively promoting your show like we give a shit? How convenient for you. -- Rev Simon Rumble Current physical location: London, UK simon@rumble.net http://www.rumble.net Every living thing wants to survive. -- Spock, "The Ultimate Computer", stardate 4731.3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS!

>>> > CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! >>> >>> I've got to say that I agree with this. I haven't ever really >>>cared >>>about any of the playlists ever posted to this mailing-list. Useless >>>information really. What's the point? A vanity post for self promotion?

since I'm one of the offenders, I'll say.... yes. Self promotion is the point. Because when I do a show that is completely webcast (i.e. no real FM band presence), I like to publicize the broadcasts to my target audience, which is IDM fans on the web. I think this list qualifies under those criteria, and it's a lot easier than typing in 50 email addresses just to not have it go to the few people it really seems to bother. After all, who wants to DJ to no one? I additionally enjoy reading other set lists. It informs me of when new things are out, if there is a release I missed, etc.... and when I listen to some webcast shows, I don't have time to sit and keep track of what I'm hearing, but I can refer to a list that's posted here to learn more. Because, as anyone on this list knows, informational posts about the _music_ are few and far between. Maybe if there were more interesting posts about music and artists other than whether Aphex Twin made an .mp3 or not, I wouldn't have to resort to playlists as one of my primary sources of info on this list. If you don't want to read playlists, then just delete the posts or filter your mail. God knows I delete about 50% of the threads since they're usually about "is ______ IDM?" or "how do you pronounce Autechre?" This may come off as attitude more than a constructive reply, but realistically, trying to cater to everyone's tastes on this list is an impossibility. Sorry if the playlist posts come to you as unwanted noise, but I for one appreciate the time that goes into playlist posts from others. later matt +------------------------------------+ m.mercer :: systm audio-visual communicator http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/98/systm.html mmercer@kent.edu :: vletrmx@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I think Matt makes an excellent point! Peace, Chad

quoted 11 lines From: "M Mercer" <vletrmx@hotmail.com>

>From: "M Mercer" <vletrmx@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: mmercer@kent.edu >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: the whole playlist flap >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:11:18 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [131.123.205.125] >Received: from [209.133.83.16] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBC51B961001AD82197B4D18553100B0C0; Mon Feb 12 15:14:41 2001 >Received: (qmail 26655 invoked by uid 281); 12 Feb 2001 23:11:46 -0000 >Received: (qmail 26629 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2001 23:11:45 -0000

From idm-return-28866-twine_sound Mon Feb 12 15:16:21 2001

quoted 70 lines Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm

>Mailing-List: contact idm-help@hyperreal.org; run by ezmlm >Precedence: bulk >X-No-Archive: yes >list-help: <mailto:idm-help@hyperreal.org> >list-unsubscribe: <mailto:idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >list-post: <mailto:idm@hyperreal.org> >Delivered-To: mailing list idm@hyperreal.org >Message-ID: <F770ICyzTQijGsERDwr000050f0@hotmail.com> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2001 23:11:19.0079 (UTC) >FILETIME=[1B5FD370:01C09549] > >>>> > CAN THE PLAYLISTS PLEASE STOP, THEY'RE USELESS! >>>> >>>> I've got to say that I agree with this. I haven't ever really >>>>cared >>>>about any of the playlists ever posted to this mailing-list. Useless >>>>information really. What's the point? A vanity post for self >>>>promotion? > >since I'm one of the offenders, I'll say.... yes. Self promotion is the >point. Because when I do a show that is completely webcast (i.e. no real FM >band presence), I like to publicize the broadcasts to my target audience, >which is IDM fans on the web. I think this list qualifies under those >criteria, and it's a lot easier than typing in 50 email addresses just to >not have it go to the few people it really seems to bother. After all, who >wants to DJ to no one? > >I additionally enjoy reading other set lists. It informs me of when new >things are out, if there is a release I missed, etc.... and when I listen >to >some webcast shows, I don't have time to sit and keep track of what I'm >hearing, but I can refer to a list that's posted here to learn more. >Because, as anyone on this list knows, informational posts about the >_music_ >are few and far between. Maybe if there were more interesting posts about >music and artists other than whether Aphex Twin made an .mp3 or not, I >wouldn't have to resort to playlists as one of my primary sources of info >on >this list. > >If you don't want to read playlists, then just delete the posts or filter >your mail. God knows I delete about 50% of the threads since they're >usually >about "is ______ IDM?" or "how do you pronounce Autechre?" > >This may come off as attitude more than a constructive reply, but >realistically, trying to cater to everyone's tastes on this list is an >impossibility. Sorry if the playlist posts come to you as unwanted noise, >but I for one appreciate the time that goes into playlist posts from >others. > >later >matt > > >+------------------------------------+ >m.mercer :: systm >audio-visual communicator > >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/98/systm.html >mmercer@kent.edu :: vletrmx@hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>

quoted 9 lines : The playlists are ultimately an expression of what the individual likes.

>>: The playlists are ultimately an expression of what the individual likes. >>: The philosophy of this list has been to talk about electronic music we >>like, >>: so it doesn't seem out of place to chart music of this nature. >> >>OK, but everyday in the digest there is like 5 playlists, enuff man. > >Your complaining about 5 posts a day??? Damn, what's 5 extra clicks on >the >delete button.

From: "M Mercer" <vletrmx@hotmail.com>

quoted 5 lines If you don't want to read playlists, then just delete the posts or filter

> >If you don't want to read playlists, then just delete the posts or filter >your mail. God knows I delete about 50% of the threads since they're >usually >about "is ______ IDM?" or "how do you pronounce Autechre?"

Once again, the digest does not let you delete individual messages. All you can do is scroll through once you see there is a message you don't want to read. You may think this is trivial, but scrolling through 5 pages of playlists a day is rather annoying. Especially since the digest message seperator: -------------------- Is used (to a degree) in many posts. The digest is a horrible mess to look at, but it is still a more desirable option than getting each post as an individual message. Nobody has really addressed the problem with posting a link to a webpage which contains for sale and playlist stuff. They've merely said "delete the extra posts you whiner". Well deleting the extra posts doesn't work well for digest members, which this guy clearly states he is. I understand the want to post playlists and for sale lists to the idm mailing list, it's causing a non-trivial inconvenience for many digest members. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

i can't imagine an e-mail that missed the point more. thanks for following my statement that "[the digest] is still a more desirable option than getting each post as an individual message" with the fantastic insight "[t]hen don't use the digest. Set up another email account just for IDM or other newsgroups." i'm presuming you're implying that after i do that i will be fine using the non-digest version of this list. i do in fact use this account _only_ for mailing lists, and i'm certain that switching from digest would only increase the frustration i feel reading this list most times. is there any way you could answer the question though: what is the problem with posting a url that referrences a playlist or for sale list? why is this such a big problem, or any problem for that matter? yeah, damn it's annoying that you don't like 60% of the conversations that go on here. but guess what? i'm not responsible for those posts (aside from the one you're replying to obviously). there aren't many people who post playlists, and their list output is quite large compared to other list members. each of us can only positively affect the output of this list by increasing the quality of what they submit, and i would hope that some of us have at least a small interest in not pissing other list members off. especially since it's not hard to do. cheers

quoted 40 lines From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>

>From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com> >To: paelon@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] re: the whole playlist flap >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:52:01 -0800 > >HELIX: "Once again, the digest does not let you delete individual messages. >All you can do is scroll through once you see there is a message you don't >want to read. You may think this is trivial, but scrolling through 5 pages >of playlists a day is rather annoying. The digest is a horrible mess to >look at, but it is still a more desirable option than getting each post as >an individual message." > > >RJ: Then don't use the digest. Set up another email account just for IDM or >other newsgroups. > > >HELIX : "Nobody has really addressed the problem with posting a link to a >webpage which contains for sale and playlist stuff." > >RJ: Those are just minor problems aren't they. What a bunch of picky >bitches we have on this list? :) haha > >HELIX: "They've merely said "delete the extra posts you whiner". > >RJ: That's what most of us have to do anyway. Open up your mailbox and dump >all the subjects that look boring. > >HELIX: Well deleting the extra posts doesn't work well for digest members, >which this guy clearly states he is. > >RJ: I guess those are the trade offs > >HELIX: I understand the want to post playlists and for sale lists to the >idm mailing list, it's causing a non-trivial inconvenience for many digest >members. > >RJ: So do a lot of other threads. I would love to be interested in 60% of >the conversation, but I'm not. I use the trusty old delete button >

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