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2001-01-24 00:38Kevin Sample [idm] n5md md1
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2001-01-24 00:38Kevin Sampleanyone else have this? just got it yesterday, and, overall, i like it. it's been in my dec
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anyone else have this? just got it yesterday, and, overall, i like it. it's been in my deck and portable pretty much ever since i pulled it out of the envelope. i won't attempt to write a review, but here's a link to one: http://www.nezzwerk.com/seven/reviews/album_review.php?id=455 . this reviewer is much more knowledgeable than i am anyway. i will say that the o2 track is absolutely gorgeous. minimal beats overlayed with a piano-like arpeggiation that reminds me of Jeff Greinke. ks --- Some day... science will perfect a process of thought transference from composer to listener. Only by allowing the listener to see into the mind of the composer can the true value of the music be approximated. --Raymond Scott, 1949 [ experience the gated oscillator: http://www.tar-xvf.net/ ] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 00:53Static Beatsyeah Ive got it and I love it as well. Problem is that aside from that and the Gescom rele
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yeah Ive got it and I love it as well. Problem is that aside from that and the Gescom release I have *nothing* else on MD. when I get the time Id like to covert the n5md into CD format so i can listen to it more often. shimone http://www.staticbeats.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Sample <ksample@texas.net> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: [idm] n5md md1
quoted 6 lines anyone else have this? just got it yesterday, and, overall, i like> anyone else have this? just got it yesterday, and, overall, i like > it. it's been in my deck and portable pretty much ever since i pulled it > out of the envelope. > > i won't attempt to write a review, but here's a link to > one: http://www.nezzwerk.com/seven/reviews/album_review.php?id=455 .
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quoted 22 lines reviewer is much more knowledgeable than i am anyway.> reviewer is much more knowledgeable than i am anyway. > > i will say that the o2 track is absolutely gorgeous. minimal beats > overlayed with a piano-like arpeggiation that reminds me of Jeff Greinke. > > ks > > > --- > Some day... science will perfect a process of thought > transference from composer to listener. Only by > allowing the listener to see into the mind of the composer > can the true value of the music be approximated. > > --Raymond Scott, 1949 > > [ experience the gated oscillator: http://www.tar-xvf.net/ ] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2001-01-24 01:11Kevin SampleAt 16:53 1/23/2001 -0800, Static Beats wrote: >yeah Ive got it and I love it as well. > >P
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At 16:53 1/23/2001 -0800, Static Beats wrote:
quoted 4 lines yeah Ive got it and I love it as well.>yeah Ive got it and I love it as well. > >Problem is that aside from that and the Gescom release I have *nothing* else >on MD.
same here, but i originally got into MD because of its recording versatility--i put heavy-rotation vinyl-only stuff on MD, and record some radio shows as well. i never had any intention of buying commercially-released MDs. ks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 16:29Greg ClowAt 08:11 PM 1/23/01, Kevin Sample wrote: >At 16:53 1/23/2001 -0800, Static Beats wrote: >>
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At 08:11 PM 1/23/01, Kevin Sample wrote:
quoted 10 lines At 16:53 1/23/2001 -0800, Static Beats wrote:>At 16:53 1/23/2001 -0800, Static Beats wrote: >>yeah Ive got it and I love it as well. >> >>Problem is that aside from that and the Gescom release I have *nothing* else >>on MD. > >same here, but i originally got into MD because of its recording >versatility--i put heavy-rotation vinyl-only stuff on MD, and record some >radio shows as well. i never had any intention of buying >commercially-released MDs.
The main reason that MiniDisc was viewed by many as a "failure" in North America after it's original introduction in the early '90s was the attempts of the record industry to present it as a new pre-recorded music medium. Digital Compact Cassette (DCC) was also introduced as in a similar way around the same time. But since most people were already in the process of upgrading from vinyl to CD, they weren't interested. (Not to mention the fact that none of the major labels were backing both new formats - some went with MD, some with DCC - meaning that mainstream music fans would have to buy TWO new pieces of hardware rather than choosing the format they prefered.) Thankfully, other markets (like Japan and the UK) recognised MDs real usefulness was not as a replacement for CDs, but as a replacement for cassettes as a home recording media. I use MD to record vinyl and MP3s for portable listening, and to record my live DJ sets. It's a good thing. Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 19:47Guy Elden, Jr.> The main reason that MiniDisc was viewed by many as a "failure" in North > America after
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quoted 5 lines The main reason that MiniDisc was viewed by many as a "failure" in North> The main reason that MiniDisc was viewed by many as a "failure" in North > America after it's original introduction in the early '90s was the attempts > of the record industry to present it as a new pre-recorded music medium. > Digital Compact Cassette (DCC) was also introduced as in a similar way > around the same time. But since most people were already in the process of
True enough. I remember listening to a 1st generation minidisc player at a record store back in '92 or '93, and thinking how crappy it sounded compared to my portable CD player. It was even playing a pre-recorded album which one would expect to sound very good. They never marketed them (back then) as a recording device, merely as another format to compete against CDs. Fortunately the ATRAC compression spec has gone through a couple of revisions so that now it's virtually indistinguishable from CD quality, and at least to my ears, is superior to 128kbit MP3 files. I owned a Samsung Yepp MP3 player for a good part of last year, but got fed up with the 64MB of memory that it came with and the crappy UI. For just a few pennies more, I upgraded to a portable MD recorder that sounded better, was easier to use, and lasted 3x as long on the batteries.
quoted 2 lines cassettes as a home recording media. I use MD to record vinyl and MP3s for> cassettes as a home recording media. I use MD to record vinyl and MP3s for > portable listening, and to record my live DJ sets. It's a good thing.
I do that, although I really like being able to make digital copies of CDs in my collection. The MD portable I have is one of the smallest on the market, so that alone makes it easier for me to bring the IDM with me wherever I go. -- jr --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 18:11Static BeatsFunny you should mention just that. I was just reading yesterday in Maxim mag that MD is r
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Funny you should mention just that. I was just reading yesterday in Maxim mag that MD is receiving a revival of sorts because of the MP3 craze. shimone
quoted 7 lines Thankfully, other markets (like Japan and the UK) recognised MDs real> Thankfully, other markets (like Japan and the UK) recognised MDs real > usefulness was not as a replacement for CDs, but as a replacement for > cassettes as a home recording media. I use MD to record vinyl and MP3s for > portable listening, and to record my live DJ sets. It's a good thing. > > > Greg
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2001-01-24 19:42interdit--- Greg Clow <greg@stainedproductions.com> wrote: > At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmai
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quoted 8 lines At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote:> At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote: > >Why, if CD media has become so inexpensive: 25 cents or so a disk, whereas > >MDs cost about 1 dollar each, haven't CD prices dropped? > > Ask Steve Albini or Courtney Love. :) Seriously - there are loads of > articles and essays regarding this subject all over the place, but the > bottom line is blatant corporate greed combined with too many hands in the > music production, distribution and retail business.
Without wishing to labour the point here the reason CDs are overpriced because the major label record companies are greedy fucking bastards. http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/05/cdpres.htm "Record Companies Settle FTC Charges of Restraining Competition in CD Music Market. All Five Major Distributors Agree to Abandon Advertising Pricing Policies" Apparently CD buyers in the United States have overpaid $480 million for CDs in the last 3 years. -i __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 19:47Greg ClowAt 02:42 PM 1/24/01, interdit wrote: >http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/05/cdpres.htm > >"Record
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At 02:42 PM 1/24/01, interdit wrote:
quoted 9 lines >http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2000/05/cdpres.htm > >"Record Companies Settle FTC Charges of Restraining Competition in CD Music >Market. All Five Major Distributors Agree to Abandon Advertising Pricing >Policies" > >Apparently CD buyers in the United States have overpaid $480 million for >CDs in >the last 3 years.
And what's even scarier is the fact that the US (and Canada) have the cheapest CD prices on average in the world. Which makes you wonder how much money has been overpaid for discs in the UK, Europe, Japan... Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 19:48Jordan Harethis post was a classic. i couldn't resist. > At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com w
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this post was a classic. i couldn't resist.
quoted 12 lines At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote:> At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote: > > >Its a shame that this never caught on here. I have had a minidisc > >player/recorder > >for the last 3 years and have purchased under 20 CDs since, probably one > >tenth of the number that I had purchased in the year previous. > > Since you're new here, I'll give you some free advice - don't make a point > of bragging about this sort of stuff on the list. Music piracy (MP3s, > burning CDs, recording MDs, or whatever) is a fairly touchy subject here, > especially since there are a lot of artists and label reps on the list, and > I for one don't want to see another flamewar about this subject erupt. :)
1) it ain't your list, and as your other post mentioned you can't even contact the admin. so don't be dishing out free advice when you've got no expertise. 2) he wasn't bragging, he was talking about how much he appreciated the format. also, recording MDs for personal use (which is what he was discussing) is considered legal under US anti-piracy laws and has been for years and years. 3) so people shouldn't talk about mp3 and MD and cd-r because of label reps? please. that's the lamest kind of deference i can imagine. 4) if you don't like flamewars or off-topic threads, unsubscribe from this list or go form your own.
quoted 12 lines My opinion> >My opinion > >is that it was not only the people that chose not to go with MD, but it > >was the influence of the RIAA and such. Case in point: DVD vs. Laserdisk. > > I'm afraid I don't understand the analogy you're trying to make here. > Neither DVD nor Laserdisc is a recordable format (well, there are > recordable DVDs now, but it wasn't really an issue a couple of years ago). > While I'm sure there was some behind the scenes corporate action that > caused DVD to win out over Laserdisc as the digital video format of choice > (much like the VHS/Beta battles of years gone by), I don't see how this has > any similarity to the RIAA being against a digital music recording format > like MiniDisc.
let me break it down for you. 1) the advantage of DVDs (in a piracy sense) is the regional encoding that basically enforces price fixing per region. let's say you're english and travel to the states and buy a bunch of DVDs. they won't work at home because of the UK. this same technology will be used in DVD-audio when it premieres in the next year or two. minidisc, like laserdisc, is not region-specific and thus wouldn't get a lot of industry backing when it was introduced in the early 90s as labels were already considering regional price schemes as a way of increasing profits. 2) DVD won out over laserdisc because of the encryption it uses. if you follow computer news i'm sure you heard about the whole deCSS controversy and how the MPAA is literally willing to kill anyone who tries to hack apart DVD security. you criticized the analogy, yes, but for the wrong reasons.
quoted 18 lines Why, if CD media has become so inexpensive: 25 cents or so a disk, whereas> >Why, if CD media has become so inexpensive: 25 cents or so a disk, whereas > >MDs cost about 1 dollar each, haven't CD prices dropped? > > Ask Steve Albini or Courtney Love. :) Seriously - there are loads of > articles and essays regarding this subject all over the place, but the > bottom line is blatant corporate greed combined with too many hands in the > music production, distribution and retail business. > > >Here is the cool thing about that. In Japan, you can walk down the street > >and see a kiosk into which you place an MD with space left on it. for about > >a buck, you can purchase a song listed on a menu and have it put onto your > >MD. Pretty sweet, and yet, here in the US, they are just now starting to > >do that with MP3s via Crapster etc. > > Yeah, but you can also buy panties worn by teenage girls from vending > machines in Japan. :) It's a very different culture. Similar initiatives in > North America, like "make your own compilation CD" kiosks in record stores, > have rarely gained popularity, even in the days before Napster/MP3.
yeah, and in america you can buy a gun and ammunition without a waiting period. don't make patronizing "it's a very different culture" comments. no shit, sherlock! japan is a different country! but he was talking about how these machines utilize MD's market position as a replacement for cassette tapes. because MD didn't take off you didn't see similar machines in america as "make your own CD comp" machines don't factor in 1) a re-recordable medium [MD is a million times re-recordable] 2) no auto-titling [MDs allow you to title each track, visible on every player, so you don't need to worry about packaging like you do with cd-r] 3) and the fact that you can BRING IN AN MD with STUFF ALREADY ON IT to ADD MORE SONGS. you can't bring in a cd-r to add tracks - you can only make an entirely new disc. bad analogy. -jrdn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 22:17Andrew Schrock> >Here is the cool thing about that. In Japan, you can walk down the street > >and see a
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quoted 1 line Here is the cool thing about that. In Japan, you can walk down the> >Here is the cool thing about that. In Japan, you can walk down the
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quoted 1 line and see a kiosk into which you place an MD with space left on it. for> >and see a kiosk into which you place an MD with space left on it. for
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quoted 1 line a buck, you can purchase a song listed on a menu and have it put onto> >a buck, you can purchase a song listed on a menu and have it put onto
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quoted 1 line MD. Pretty sweet, and yet, here in the US, they are just now starting> >MD. Pretty sweet, and yet, here in the US, they are just now starting
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quoted 1 line do that with MP3s via Crapster etc.> >do that with MP3s via Crapster etc.
Tying in with the "careers" thread, the company I work for does just this. Now if we could only get digital audio players to catch on in the US, we'd be set. www.etcmusic.com www.musicteller.com Andrew -| Andrew Schrock | aschrock@cs.brandeis.edu |- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 23:04jacob@gridface.comNo need to troll, Jordan. Greg's been on this list for years, so he does have a right to k
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No need to troll, Jordan. Greg's been on this list for years, so he does have a right to kindly admonish a newbie. Think about how you'd feel if you were a professional musician and you saw people talking about how they pirate your music rather than support you and your label. Sure, if you own a copy of the release you're allowed to make copies, but otherwise it's pretty unethical, even if it may not be illegal. Jacob -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:48:37 -0500 To: Greg Clow <greg@stainedproductions.com>, idm@hyperreal.org From: Jordan Hare <Jordan.Hare@msdw.com> Subject: Re: [idm] n5md md1 Message-ID: <3A6F3195.9472839E@msdw.com> this post was a classic. i couldn't resist.
quoted 11 lines At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote:> At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote: > > >Its a shame that this never caught on here. I have had a minidisc > >player/recorder > >for the last 3 years and have purchased under 20 CDs since, probably one > >tenth of the number that I had purchased in the year previous. > > Since you're new here, I'll give you some free advice - don't make a point > of bragging about this sort of stuff on the list. Music piracy (MP3s, > burning CDs, recording MDs, or whatever) is a fairly touchy subject here, > especially since there are a lot of artists and label reps on the list,
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quoted 1 line I for one don't want to see another flamewar about this subject erupt. :)> I for one don't want to see another flamewar about this subject erupt. :)
1) it ain't your list, and as your other post mentioned you can't even contact the admin. so don't be dishing out free advice when you've got no expertise. 2) he wasn't bragging, he was talking about how much he appreciated the format. also, recording MDs for personal use (which is what he was discussing) is considered legal under US anti-piracy laws and has been for years and years. 3) so people shouldn't talk about mp3 and MD and cd-r because of label reps? please. that's the lamest kind of deference i can imagine. 4) if you don't like flamewars or off-topic threads, unsubscribe from this list or go form your own. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-25 05:17philippe petit<And what's even scarier is the fact that the US (and Canada) have the <cheapest CD prices
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<And what's even scarier is the fact that the US (and Canada) have the <cheapest CD prices on average in the world. Which makes you wonder how much <money has been overpaid for discs in the UK, Europe, Japan... <Greg lucky you northern american inhabitants who do not have to pay the vat tax upon every record you purchase which certainly help prices to be cheaper... besides it seems like pressing/duplication of records is cheaper over there, too... philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** BiP-HOp Generation v.1 [bleep 01] MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 [bleep 02] AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE Bip-Hop is a label devoted to spread unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... sounds, based on machines, mix, modulations, modifications, sampling, glitches, clicks & cuts... blip... bleep... bip... BiP-HOp Generation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2001-01-25 15:48Greg ClowAt 12:17 AM 1/25/01, philippe petit wrote: > <And what's even scarier is the fact that the
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quoted 7 lines <And what's even scarier is the fact that the US (and Canada)> <And what's even scarier is the fact that the US (and Canada) > have the > <cheapest CD prices on average in the world. > >lucky you northern american inhabitants who do not have to pay the vat >tax upon every record you purchase which certainly help prices to be >cheaper...
Actually, we have a 7% federal Goods & Services Tax (GST) in Canada. Not to mention the fact that almost all of the provinces also have a Provincial Sales Tax (PST) - Ontario's is 8%. These taxes generally aren't included in the sticker price of CDs (or anything else), they get added at the cash register. But we still pay 'em. Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-25 05:39philippe petit<this post was a classic. i couldn't resist. well good but i do not understand why you rep
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<this post was a classic. i couldn't resist. well good but i do not understand why you reply in that way, maybe i missed a point but i didn't get the impression that Greg was patronizing. <2) he wasn't bragging, he was talking about how much he appreciated the <format. also, recording MDs for personal use (which is what he was) < is considered legal under US anti-piracy laws and has been <for years and years. yes sure and i kinda remember he wrote he had bought less than 20 CDs since he has a MD player, probably ten times less than the previous year. Of course this is personal use and personal pleasure... <3) so people shouldn't talk about mp3 and MD and cd-r because of label <reps? please. that's the lamest kind of deference i can imagine. well obviously feel free to mention any subject you wish and as far as I'm concerned i do not burn CDRs of records coming from good, honest, smaller indie labels. <let me break it down for you. thank you so much for your kind help <1) the advantage of DVDs (in a piracy sense) is the regional encoding <that basically enforces price fixing per region. let's say you're <english and travel to the states and buy a bunch of DVDs. they won't <work at home because of the UK. in theory but the way to get rid of the country-encoding is well-known among the video-connoisseurs and collectors. We know how to get rid of it and also how to copy DVD on videotapes... and transfer it from any format in any other one. <yeah, and in america you can buy a gun and ammunition without a waiting <period. don't make patronizing "it's a very different culture" comments. <no shit, sherlock! japan is a different country! but he was talking <about how these machines utilize MD's market position as a replacement <for cassette tapes. because MD didn't take off you didn't see similar <machines in america as "make your own CD comp" machines don't factor in <1) a re-recordable medium [MD is a million times re-recordable] 2) no <auto-titling [MDs allow you to title each track, visible on every <player, so you don't need to worry about packaging like you do with <cd-r] 3) and the fact that you can BRING IN AN MD with STUFF ALREADY ON <IT to ADD MORE SONGS. you can't bring in a cd-r to add tracks - you can <only make an entirely new disc. bad analogy. jrdn no shit jrdn MDs are very convenient, thanks for patronizing and preaching philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** BiP-HOp Generation v.1 [bleep 01] MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 [bleep 02] AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE Bip-Hop is a label devoted to spread unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... sounds, based on machines, mix, modulations, modifications, sampling, glitches, clicks & cuts... blip... bleep... bip... BiP-HOp Generation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2001-01-25 14:43philippe petit<This is exactly the reason I lurk for a month or so before posting. Invariably, <people e
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<This is exactly the reason I lurk for a month or so before posting. Invariably, <people end up going at each other because the newbie isn't quite in tune <with everyone on the list. It was not my intention to cause such infighting. <I do not support piracy. I support musicians getting what they deserve. <I do not support the RIAA. I also don't wish to continue a flame war on <a list where I am new. no worries you are welcome and please do not hesitate to say whatever you wish to. No matter if we like it or not... Best wishes___________philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** BiP-HOp Generation v.1 [bleep 01] MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 [bleep 02] AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE Bip-Hop is a label devoted to spread unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... sounds, based on machines, mix, modulations, modifications, sampling, glitches, clicks & cuts... blip... bleep... bip... BiP-HOp Generation ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2001-01-28 16:57genomaly@hushmail.comAt Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:29:42 -0500, Greg Clow <greg@stainedproductions.com> wrote: >The ma
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At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:29:42 -0500, Greg Clow <greg@stainedproductions.com> wrote:
quoted 13 lines The main reason that MiniDisc was viewed by many as a "failure" in North>The main reason that MiniDisc was viewed by many as a "failure" in North >America after it's original introduction in the early '90s was the attempts >of the record industry to present it as a new pre-recorded music medium. >Digital Compact Cassette (DCC) was also introduced as in a similar way >around the same time. But since most people were already in the process >of >upgrading from vinyl to CD, they weren't interested. (Not to mention >the >fact that none of the major labels were backing both new formats - some >went with MD, some with DCC - meaning that mainstream music fans would >have >to buy TWO new pieces of hardware rather than choosing the format they >prefered.)
Its a shame that this never caught on here. I have had a minidisc player/recorder for the last 3 years and have purchased under 20 CDs since, probably one tenth of the number that I had purchased in the year previous. My opinion is that it was not only the people that chose not to go with MD, but it was the influence of the RIAA and such. Case in point: DVD vs. Laserdisk. The recording industry has not dropped the price on CDs in the last 15 years. MD was expensive at first, but its price has dropped. A premastered MD costs around 9 dollars at BestBuy or wherever. Why, if CD media has become so inexpensive: 25 cents or so a disk, whereas MDs cost about 1 dollar each, haven't CD prices dropped?
quoted 5 lines Thankfully, other markets (like Japan and the UK) recognised MDs real>Thankfully, other markets (like Japan and the UK) recognised MDs real >usefulness was not as a replacement for CDs, but as a replacement for >cassettes as a home recording media. I use MD to record vinyl and MP3s >for >portable listening, and to record my live DJ sets. It's a good thing.
Here is the cool thing about that. In Japan, you can walk down the street and see a kiosk into which you place an MD with space left on it. for about a buck, you can purchase a song listed on a menu and have it put onto your MD. Pretty sweet, and yet, here in the US, they are just now starting to do that with MP3s via Crapster etc. What is flawed is that you can download MP3s via Gnutella or Freenet without charge ever, what is even more flawed is that people will be stupid enough to buy subscriptions to Napster and CuteMX or whatever else decides to pop up. I am new to the list, and usually I tend to lurk for a few weeks to get the vibe of the people on before I post, but this is a topic I have had quite a few conversations with my friends. Hopefully I didn't reitterate anything someone has already stated. -- genomaly -
2001-01-24 18:30Greg ClowAt 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote: >Its a shame that this never caught on h
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At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote:
quoted 4 lines Its a shame that this never caught on here. I have had a minidisc>Its a shame that this never caught on here. I have had a minidisc >player/recorder >for the last 3 years and have purchased under 20 CDs since, probably one >tenth of the number that I had purchased in the year previous.
Since you're new here, I'll give you some free advice - don't make a point of bragging about this sort of stuff on the list. Music piracy (MP3s, burning CDs, recording MDs, or whatever) is a fairly touchy subject here, especially since there are a lot of artists and label reps on the list, and I for one don't want to see another flamewar about this subject erupt. :)
quoted 3 lines My opinion>My opinion >is that it was not only the people that chose not to go with MD, but it >was the influence of the RIAA and such. Case in point: DVD vs. Laserdisk.
I'm afraid I don't understand the analogy you're trying to make here. Neither DVD nor Laserdisc is a recordable format (well, there are recordable DVDs now, but it wasn't really an issue a couple of years ago). While I'm sure there was some behind the scenes corporate action that caused DVD to win out over Laserdisc as the digital video format of choice (much like the VHS/Beta battles of years gone by), I don't see how this has any similarity to the RIAA being against a digital music recording format like MiniDisc.
quoted 2 lines Why, if CD media has become so inexpensive: 25 cents or so a disk, whereas>Why, if CD media has become so inexpensive: 25 cents or so a disk, whereas >MDs cost about 1 dollar each, haven't CD prices dropped?
Ask Steve Albini or Courtney Love. :) Seriously - there are loads of articles and essays regarding this subject all over the place, but the bottom line is blatant corporate greed combined with too many hands in the music production, distribution and retail business.
quoted 5 lines Here is the cool thing about that. In Japan, you can walk down the street>Here is the cool thing about that. In Japan, you can walk down the street >and see a kiosk into which you place an MD with space left on it. for about >a buck, you can purchase a song listed on a menu and have it put onto your >MD. Pretty sweet, and yet, here in the US, they are just now starting to >do that with MP3s via Crapster etc.
Yeah, but you can also buy panties worn by teenage girls from vending machines in Japan. :) It's a very different culture. Similar initiatives in North America, like "make your own compilation CD" kiosks in record stores, have rarely gained popularity, even in the days before Napster/MP3. Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 18:43Danijel AlphaCheck out http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.html It's hilarious. ---------------
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Check out http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.html It's hilarious. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 18:51Greg ClowAt 01:43 PM 1/24/01, you wrote: >Check out >http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.ht
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quoted 4 lines Check out>Check out >http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.html > >It's hilarious.
Oh. My. God. I'm dyin' here! I was going to post just one of these to the list, but I couldn't decide which was my favorite (although House and "Jungel" are pretty fucking hilarious) - so here's the whole damn list: A GUIDE TO RAVEMUSIC by DJ d'Alien Here follows a description of every style of ravemusic, who listens to it, what does it sound like, example of song and how fast is it (RPM). STYLES GOA - The original ravemusic which all the experienced ravers listen to. Astral Projection - Mahadeva. 170-200 RPM Trance - Like Goa but newer and not as good. Some ravers listen to it.Antiloop - Start Rocking. 130-140 RPM Techno - Boring and with lots of song, they often play it on the radio. Wannabe ravers listen to it. Stardust - Music Sounds Better With You. 110-115 RPM House - Gaymusic. Gays listen to it. Dont know of any song, im not gay! 120 RPM Jungel - This is not rave it is like HipHop but made by white people. White HipHopers listen to it. Eminem - Stan. About 50 RPM Elektro - 80's techno. No one listens to in now, its 2001! All songs by Jeff Mils. 100 RPM -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-24 18:52Jeremy AxonNothing on this site merits a "hilarious" rating. It is at best mildly amusing. I'm not sa
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Nothing on this site merits a "hilarious" rating. It is at best mildly amusing. I'm not saying it isn't funny, but this is definetly not hillarious. Has anyone heard the Black Faction (or Foreign Terrain?) on Soleilmoon? Any reviews on-line? Thanks.
quoted 4 lines Check out>Check out >http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-46401/DARK/index.html > >It's hilarious.
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2001-01-28 19:54genomaly@hushmail.comAt Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:47:57 -0500 (EST), "Guy Elden, Jr." <guyjr@gt.ed.net> wrote: >I do
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At Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:47:57 -0500 (EST), "Guy Elden, Jr." <guyjr@gt.ed.net> wrote:
quoted 6 lines I do that, although I really like being able to make digital copies>I do that, although I really like being able to make digital copies >of CDs >in my collection. The MD portable I have is one of the smallest on the >market, >so that alone makes it easier for me to bring the IDM with me wherever >I go.
What are you using for a portable? My portable was destroyed by an unruly housepet. I had a couple in mind, including one with USB support and an internal sound card of sorts for direct connections to the PC without any static, but I doubt highly that I would use that much. I pretty much want record / playback and a decent battery life. -- genomaly -
2001-01-29 07:15genomaly@hushmail.comAt Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:04:45 -0700, jacob@gridface.com wrote: > >No need to troll, Jordan.
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quoted 10 lines No need to troll, Jordan. Greg's been on this list for years, so he> >No need to troll, Jordan. Greg's been on this list for years, so he >does >have a right to kindly admonish a newbie. Think about how you'd feel >if you >were a professional musician and you saw people talking about how they >pirate your music rather than support you and your label. Sure, if you >own >a copy of the release you're allowed to make copies, but otherwise it's >pretty unethical, even if it may not be illegal.
This is exactly the reason I lurk for a month or so before posting. Invariably, people end up going at each other because the newbie isn't quite in tune with everyone on the list. It was not my intention to cause such infighting. I do not support piracy. I support musicians getting what they deserve. I do not support the RIAA. I also don't wish to continue a flame war on a list where I am new. ***Lurk mode reinitiated*** -- genomaly -
2001-01-25 15:52Greg ClowAt 02:15 AM 1/29/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote: >This is exactly the reason I lurk for a
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At 02:15 AM 1/29/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote:
quoted 4 lines This is exactly the reason I lurk for a month or so before posting.>This is exactly the reason I lurk for a month or so before posting. >Invariably, > people end up going at each other because the newbie isn't quite in tune >with everyone on the list. It was not my intention to cause such infighting.
Ah, don't worry about it. I don't consider whats-his-name's response to my post to be "infighting". I'd never heard of the guy before, and have no interest in taking the bait and getting into it with him, it'd be a waste of everyone's time.
quoted 3 lines I do not support piracy. I support musicians getting what they deserve.>I do not support piracy. I support musicians getting what they deserve. >I do not support the RIAA. I also don't wish to continue a flame war on >a list where I am new.
No flame war here, friend. If you feel the need to post, please do so. Even if it's to tell me that I'm a knob. :) Greg -- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org