this post was a classic. i couldn't resist.
quoted 12 lines At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote:> At 11:57 AM 1/28/01, genomaly@hushmail.com wrote:
>
> >Its a shame that this never caught on here. I have had a minidisc
> >player/recorder
> >for the last 3 years and have purchased under 20 CDs since, probably one
> >tenth of the number that I had purchased in the year previous.
>
> Since you're new here, I'll give you some free advice - don't make a point
> of bragging about this sort of stuff on the list. Music piracy (MP3s,
> burning CDs, recording MDs, or whatever) is a fairly touchy subject here,
> especially since there are a lot of artists and label reps on the list, and
> I for one don't want to see another flamewar about this subject erupt. :)
1) it ain't your list, and as your other post mentioned you can't even
contact the admin. so don't be dishing out free advice when you've got
no expertise.
2) he wasn't bragging, he was talking about how much he appreciated the
format. also, recording MDs for personal use (which is what he was
discussing) is considered legal under US anti-piracy laws and has been
for years and years.
3) so people shouldn't talk about mp3 and MD and cd-r because of label
reps? please. that's the lamest kind of deference i can imagine.
4) if you don't like flamewars or off-topic threads, unsubscribe from
this list or go form your own.
quoted 12 lines My opinion> >My opinion
> >is that it was not only the people that chose not to go with MD, but it
> >was the influence of the RIAA and such. Case in point: DVD vs. Laserdisk.
>
> I'm afraid I don't understand the analogy you're trying to make here.
> Neither DVD nor Laserdisc is a recordable format (well, there are
> recordable DVDs now, but it wasn't really an issue a couple of years ago).
> While I'm sure there was some behind the scenes corporate action that
> caused DVD to win out over Laserdisc as the digital video format of choice
> (much like the VHS/Beta battles of years gone by), I don't see how this has
> any similarity to the RIAA being against a digital music recording format
> like MiniDisc.
let me break it down for you.
1) the advantage of DVDs (in a piracy sense) is the regional encoding
that basically enforces price fixing per region. let's say you're
english and travel to the states and buy a bunch of DVDs. they won't
work at home because of the UK. this same technology will be used in
DVD-audio when it premieres in the next year or two. minidisc, like
laserdisc, is not region-specific and thus wouldn't get a lot of
industry backing when it was introduced in the early 90s as labels were
already considering regional price schemes as a way of increasing
profits.
2) DVD won out over laserdisc because of the encryption it uses. if you
follow computer news i'm sure you heard about the whole deCSS
controversy and how the MPAA is literally willing to kill anyone who
tries to hack apart DVD security. you criticized the analogy, yes, but
for the wrong reasons.
quoted 18 lines Why, if CD media has become so inexpensive: 25 cents or so a disk, whereas> >Why, if CD media has become so inexpensive: 25 cents or so a disk, whereas
> >MDs cost about 1 dollar each, haven't CD prices dropped?
>
> Ask Steve Albini or Courtney Love. :) Seriously - there are loads of
> articles and essays regarding this subject all over the place, but the
> bottom line is blatant corporate greed combined with too many hands in the
> music production, distribution and retail business.
>
> >Here is the cool thing about that. In Japan, you can walk down the street
> >and see a kiosk into which you place an MD with space left on it. for about
> >a buck, you can purchase a song listed on a menu and have it put onto your
> >MD. Pretty sweet, and yet, here in the US, they are just now starting to
> >do that with MP3s via Crapster etc.
>
> Yeah, but you can also buy panties worn by teenage girls from vending
> machines in Japan. :) It's a very different culture. Similar initiatives in
> North America, like "make your own compilation CD" kiosks in record stores,
> have rarely gained popularity, even in the days before Napster/MP3.
yeah, and in america you can buy a gun and ammunition without a waiting
period. don't make patronizing "it's a very different culture" comments.
no shit, sherlock! japan is a different country! but he was talking
about how these machines utilize MD's market position as a replacement
for cassette tapes. because MD didn't take off you didn't see similar
machines in america as "make your own CD comp" machines don't factor in
1) a re-recordable medium [MD is a million times re-recordable] 2) no
auto-titling [MDs allow you to title each track, visible on every
player, so you don't need to worry about packaging like you do with
cd-r] 3) and the fact that you can BRING IN AN MD with STUFF ALREADY ON
IT to ADD MORE SONGS. you can't bring in a cd-r to add tracks - you can
only make an entirely new disc. bad analogy.
-jrdn
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