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2001-01-10 19:31Michael Upton [idm] Elitism
└─ 2001-01-11 01:29laerm Re: [idm] Elitism
└─ 2001-01-11 01:53Lee Azzarello Re: [idm] Elitism
2001-01-11 01:47Gause, Brian RE: [idm] Elitism
2001-01-11 15:53Ian Pojman [idm] Elitism
2001-01-11 21:05JK Re: [idm] Elitism
2001-01-15 00:49M Mercer Re: [idm] Elitism
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2001-01-10 19:31Michael UptonWhat is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out there, and I think th
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What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out there, and I think the easy access to gear contributes to it"? Take this as a troll if you like... obviously my response is "there's nothing elitist about that"... I just wonder whether people go actively looking for a "them" to attack sometimes or what. Michael -+- Involve Records http://involverecords.com Jet Jaguar MP3s (latest upload Nov2000) http://mp3.com/jetjag -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-11 01:29laermOn Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Michael Upton wrote: > What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Michael Upton wrote:
quoted 2 lines What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out> What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out > there, and I think the easy access to gear contributes to it"?
furthermore, what's wrong with elitism? micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-11 01:53Lee AzzarelloWell said. I've worked hard for my eliteism. -l on 1/10/01 5:29 PM, laerm at laerm@soulfoo
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Well said. I've worked hard for my eliteism. -l on 1/10/01 5:29 PM, laerm at laerm@soulfood.org wrote:
quoted 18 lines On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Michael Upton wrote:> On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Michael Upton wrote: > >> What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out >> there, and I think the easy access to gear contributes to it"? > > furthermore, what's wrong with elitism? > > micah stupak /"\ > laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / > international bright young kook against HTML email X > / \ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-01-11 01:47Gause, BrianI'd like to assume for a moment that you're honestly curious about this...if you're not, t
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I'd like to assume for a moment that you're honestly curious about this...if you're not, then ignore this. And I tend to jump fast, so the logic may seem incomplete at times...if this is the case and you're curious, lemme know... I used to think along the same lines, but I found that it caused me problems. Elitism leads you to feeling separate...different...apart. You begin to think in terms of us and them, with a very small (i.e. 1) us and a very huge them...this is self-fullfilling (or was for me) as you tend to recede further into your world of "us". To some, this is a sign of clinical depression. To others, this is loneliness...words words words. Basically, elitism causes me to recede from other people and makes parts of my life incredibly difficult. Elitism can be a good feeling because it leaves you feeling positive about yourself...but the crumbling that occurred for me was the understanding that all of this was based on a center of gravity OUTSIDE my self. You're only elite IN TERMS OF someone else. When you think of yourself on your own terms ("I'm not better. I'm not worse. I'm just me."), this changes. Of course, when I still thought as an elitist, this stuff sounded like fluffy cowsh*t, so I understand if this sounds like fluffy cowsh*t. Fitter...happier...more productive...radiohead, anyone? This feels like an advertisement for mental health...anyway, my point is that elitism can lead you into choppy psychological waters if you're not paying close attention. Blah blah blah...but I wouldn't be surprised if many people on this list fall into similar traps and sometimes putting this into real words could actually help. back to your reguarly scheduled brainwashing... ---brian ------------------------ Brian W. Gause Senior Technical Writer SECTORBASE.com 568 Howard Street First Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 Direct: (415) 365-8203 Fax: (415) 365-8263 -----Original Message----- From: laerm [mailto:laerm@soulfood.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:30 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Elitism On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Michael Upton wrote:
quoted 2 lines What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out> What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out > there, and I think the easy access to gear contributes to it"?
furthermore, what's wrong with elitism? micah stupak /"\ laerm@soulfood.org ascii ribbon campaign \ / international bright young kook against HTML email X / \ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-11 15:53Ian Pojman> On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Michael Upton wrote: > >> What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of
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quoted 4 lines On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Michael Upton wrote:> On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Michael Upton wrote: > >> What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out >> there, and I think the easy access to gear contributes to it"?
DUDE. That's so fucking elitist. "you dont have the skills to deserve this gear.. youre not GOOD enough". no offense meant, but fuck you. its all about sharing the wealth and the love man, thats how we grow as a society. keeping the gear warehoused or something will NOt keep crappy music from being produced -- in fact it would do teh opposite. everyone on big labels doing electronic msuci is OWNED by smaller labels... that arent about the cash --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-11 21:05JKWord to that ian, this whole thread is ridiculous. Bring the love. cdin ------------------
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Word to that ian, this whole thread is ridiculous. Bring the love. cdin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-01-15 00:49M Merceri think it's great that there is an easier access to gear. I don't think that electronic m
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i think it's great that there is an easier access to gear. I don't think that electronic music should be limited to persons with a lot of money to throw around on gear or only those who happen to have easier access to dealers of said gear. I think one might be able to view the flipside and take a look at the tons of material out there as inspiring. I personally have a lot more to choose from, and I have a greater opportunity to find material that is top notch.... also, it makes me want to record more of my own tracks, because I think any musician has his egocentric moments of "I can do better than that.....", or even just being so impressed with a new recording that it makes him/her want to get back in the studio and start working on new things. I don't really think it's elitist to have your attitude or perspective, although I think it is easy to become jaded in any music or art scene. just my opinion later matt
quoted 27 lines From: Michael Upton <jetjag@mailandnews.com>>From: Michael Upton <jetjag@mailandnews.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Elitism >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:31:02 +1300 > >What is elitist about saying "I'm sick of how much shit there is out there, >and I think the easy access to gear contributes to it"? > >Take this as a troll if you like... obviously my response is "there's >nothing elitist about that"... I just wonder whether people go actively >looking for a "them" to attack sometimes or what. > >Michael > >-+- > Involve Records > http://involverecords.com > > Jet Jaguar MP3s (latest upload Nov2000) > http://mp3.com/jetjag >-+- > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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