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2000-12-14 15:27Gilly [idm] The stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on this list
├─ 2000-12-14 18:52adam florin Re: [idm] The stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on this list
└─ 2000-12-15 10:31Konstantin Minko [idm] Ae evolution (Wevie Stonder)
2000-12-14 22:27glyn Re: [idm] The stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on this list
2000-12-15 20:45Michael Upton [idm] Re: The stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on this list
2000-12-23 00:17sarah ellenberger Re: [idm] The stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on this list
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2000-12-14 15:27GillyAndrei wrote (during the debate with Will Samuels) >>I think besides Autechre he's basical
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Andrei wrote (during the debate with Will Samuels)
quoted 1 line I think besides Autechre he's basically the only one doing anything new in>>I think besides Autechre he's basically the only one doing anything new in
IDM and a lot of people seem to hate them for that. (Please keep the flames to a minimum.) >>> puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ????? they have never changed their formula since the Artificial Intelligence days. Please buy some new records May I suggest you listen to some Atom Heart and pay attention to someone who has NEVER re-used the same formula... as the two artists you mention can't seem to stop doing. g np: pest(e)- lungsoftheclock --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-14 18:52adam florin>Andrei wrote (during the debate with Will Samuels) >>>I think besides Autechre he's basic
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quoted 10 lines Andrei wrote (during the debate with Will Samuels)>Andrei wrote (during the debate with Will Samuels) >>>I think besides Autechre he's basically the only one doing anything new in >IDM and a lot of people seem to hate them for that. (Please keep the >flames to a minimum.) >>> > > >puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ????? > >they have never changed their formula >since the Artificial Intelligence days. Please buy some new records
oh, you kids and your radical viewpoints. i feel like the idm list has dissipated to 'who can have the most offensive opinion' followed by a pretense of deterring flames. afx/ae are certainly NOT the only people doing anything new in idm (for christ's sakes, pole, boc, feq have all put out things in the last two years that changed the way i listen to music), NOR have they 'never changed their formula'. to dip into another argument, 'windowlicker' is an excellent track, very ornate and quirky and yet funky, demonstrating that mr. james' mastery of timbres has never been greater. and ae is not quite just the 'same old', and i'm sure that you recognize this, despite your sensationalist concept of music today. in any case, as the genre is growing more firmly established, it must begin to grow *inward*, rather than *outward*. that is to say, nobody is shocked by such-and-such bpm or such amount of noise anymore ; the only place to go is towards more precise control over the textures of sounds, more variation in the beats (idm has always been good about this one), more thought towards song structure, and so forth. i know the inner simon reynolds in us will say, 'to hell with musicianship i want shit to be CRAZY' but that can only go so far, really. well. i hope some of you recognize my name--i'm back after seven months off the list, and am glad to see that nothing has changed ; we're still bickering about the genius of aphex and what constitutes 'selling out', as it relates to aphex, why dance music is inherently inferior to more mature forms of music, and perhaps autechre, and, oh, the rest of the genre here and there, but mostly to what extent they are influenced by aphex. jolly good ! .af. ps; i make moooooooosic http://www.zenda.com/af/music.html pps; look out for a radioshow this january called 'electroacousticadillacmusic', if all goes well. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-15 10:31Konstantin Minko> puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ????? > > they have never changed their formula >
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quoted 5 lines puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ?????> puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ????? > > they have never changed their formula > since the Artificial Intelligence days. Please buy some new records >
AE didn't change their formula??? Are you serious? I'm sure you're joking about the thread. Ae was one of the most impressive examples of how a band does not stick to their previous material and evolutionize their sound in the next album. Just compare Incunabula to Amber to Tri to Chiastic and the only thing similar you might find is the FEEL of Ae, those melancholic alien melodies which made their sound so exclusive and fantastically charming. btw. EP7 lacks the FEEL and this is one of the reasons I still can't appreciate it that much... Evolution is still a trademark of Ae after LP5 and EP7 as well... we come in peace Alien np. Wevie Stonder "Eat Your Own Ears" (Skam) - ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT STUFF!!!! not idm though which is rather strange for label featuring BoC and Gescom... Anyone can tell me who are they and what stuff they consume to make the funniest music I ever heard! 8))))) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-14 22:27glynGilly wrote: > puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ????? > > they have never changed th
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Gilly wrote:
quoted 9 lines puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ?????> puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ????? > > they have never changed their formula > since the Artificial Intelligence days. Please buy some new records > > May I suggest you listen to some Atom Heart and pay attention to someone who > has > NEVER re-used the same formula... as the two artists you mention can't seem > to stop doing.
my favorite artist's dad can kick your favorite artist's dad's ass! did anybody else check out new hallucinator record on chain reaction? glyn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-15 20:45Michael UptonForgive me father, for I have responded. :-) "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net> wrote: >puh-lease
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Forgive me father, for I have responded. :-) "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net> wrote:
quoted 4 lines puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ?????>puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ????? > >they have never changed their formula >since the Artificial Intelligence days. Please buy some new records
What formula does either one use? Autechre's track on Artificial Intelligence II sounds like it's solely synths and an 808... nowadays they're purely code based, it seems, generating tracks from an intense interest in maths (if they're being honest in interviews). What's the similarity? Actually, forget similarity, you said formula. What common formula are they applying throughout everything they've done?
quoted 4 lines May I suggest you listen to some Atom Heart and pay attention to someone who>May I suggest you listen to some Atom Heart and pay attention to someone who >has NEVER re-used the same formula... as the two artists you mention can't >seem >to stop doing.
Come on Gilly, everyone knows you've got a one track mind... :-) To my ears Atom Heart has as much of a definite formula as Autechre or AFX. That probably means not much, but it's still standard to be able to spot an Atom Heart track a mile away, whatever games he's up to. Michael np. 'Clicks and Cuts' .. haven't listened to this in ages. Some of it's pretty nice. Particularly that Sutekh mix of whatshisname... -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s (latest upload Nov2000) http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-12-23 00:17sarah ellenbergerin my opinion , autechre push it more than anyone else. each time around they seem to use
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in my opinion , autechre push it more than anyone else. each time around they seem to use new formulas ..... i guess it depends on what sounds "new" to the listener i think aphex twin's track "nannou" on windowlicker would be a good example of new and further explorations into electronic music .... classical melody compositions with modern computer-manipulated sound arrangements .... not exactly what he's been doing sarah
quoted 13 lines From: "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net>>From: "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: [idm] The stupidest thing I've ever seen posted on this list >Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:27:50 -0800 > >Andrei wrote (during the debate with Will Samuels) > >>I think besides Autechre he's basically the only one doing anything new >in >IDM and a lot of people seem to hate them for that. (Please keep the >flames to a minimum.) >>> > > >puh-lease Afx, Ae doing anything *NEW* ?????
quoted 19 lines they have never changed their formula> >they have never changed their formula >since the Artificial Intelligence days. Please buy some new records > >May I suggest you listen to some Atom Heart and pay attention to someone >who >has >NEVER re-used the same formula... as the two artists you mention can't seem >to stop doing. > >g >np: pest(e)- lungsoftheclock > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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