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2000-10-13 19:24indecision_of_a_child [idm] press play_socal scape/plug research show last night
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2000-10-13 19:24indecision_of_a_child[typos and spelling fun galore!] ohmygodwhatafundubbybeatytime! so last night i was treate
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[typos and spelling fun galore!] ohmygodwhatafundubbybeatytime! so last night i was treated to a night of dub and tekno like no other: pole, burnt friedman, farben, kit clayton, low res, john tejada -- all live! and as a bonus groovy music from dj hoseh -- and im not sure if i heard mr manniquin lung spin or not...?? the setup was wonderful.. HUGE props to all the kids from dublab.com, plug research, and scape. first off, i love the el rey theatre. some folks, for whatever reason, dislike the place, but i really enjoy shows there! there were 2 performance spaces set up facing eachother -- one on the floor, and one up on the stage.. so basically, one act would play at one end of the room, then after a brief announcement, another act would play from the other side of the room -- this made things go quick and smooth between acts! perfect setup. the sound was sick. certainly not the best i have ever heard, but when you hear music from acts you love on good sound, well, it just seems that much more perfect. visuals: these were pretty cool, though nothing mindblowing imo. but they were nice, and unique! and worked well with the music. what i did like was the (somewhat silly) cameras they had watching the performers' hands and gear very close up like.. these images would be mixed in with the other visuals. the folks responsible are called visomat (berlin) farben: people were VERY into his set. even before he played. "oh my god, i cant believe farben is playing".. honestly the only thing i knew about him before i went was that he had something on a scape comp i own. after he played, i kept hearing how it was the best set of the night. i thought it was okay -- good DUBBY techno/house.. portions of which rocked my dirt hippie heart.. but, all in all i was not blown away. i would certainly see him again though :) kit clayton: i finally found some other folks that were into this set as much as i was. i think it was one of the best performances of the night, and one of the best sets i have heard in sometime. while some peoples dismissed it as dsp wankery and improv, it was one of the first monents in a long time that i was completely sucked into music and able to 100% tune out the crowd and distractions around me and just get immersed in the thick of things. not too many beats. lots of layered sound. i suspect this is what heaven would soundlike if jesus had a laptop (computer, of course he has a laptop). i think this is a good moment to make by obligatory comparison to coil. it was very coil (like the layers of sound stuff they do -- new and old). i will one up this comparison and compare something to nurse with wound later on. fun! burnt friedman: the first bit was MINDBLOWING.. and then he just kinda went on to some GOOD solid music. he had a whole collection of mindisc players and a mixer.. anyone have the details of how he was performing? it did not seem like he was just mixing from track to track... from what i understand he did something like this at sonar. anyway, i highly recommend this kid -- good sctuff! low res: hello! as if one of the most incredible artists around right now doesnt live in my hood! danny/low res is always a treat to see perform, but this time REALLY took the cake. what a fucking insane set -- supper jazzy, super spacey, lots of love going on! much like twin peaks music fed through a sun ra filter :) (after seeing mr low res in attendance at the recent sun ra awkestra show, some things just make a lot of sense). he also incorportated live drums, occasional horns (what as he playing?), and an mc (one of the shadow huntaz) in a VERY tasteful manner. there was a point where i really felt like i could have been watching a nurse with would performance, circa rock&rollstation, too.. ahh, yeah. pole: i like pole. i was super impressed with this guy the first time i heard him. recently though, i have not been inclined to buy all of his stuff because i think there is too much uniformity in his sound (though some of his remixes and more world beat influences are off the hook :). i expected last night to be pretty good, enjoyable, but nothing unexpected. well, i am not sure how this fellow does it, but it was out of control!! of course the standard pole sound was there.. but there was SO MUCH MORE!! nice layered sounds (appealing to the shoegaze kid in me), super funky beats!, and just DUB HEAVEN (which was to be expected). man oh man. john tejada: i think john should get an award for being the sweetest of performers. why? because he records with his (very talented!!) mom AND includes her in performances (at least last night). no really, im a complete sucker for moments of sweetness (especially when combined with good music:) - and this was just grand. they performed the song (gira gira?) from the plug research voices in my lunchbox release.. which is a wonderful down tempo song with carmen (mom) doing beautiful opera vocals and john playing guitar.. the rest of his set was very groovy as well, but i only caught about half of it. i trust i will make up for that in the near future. the crowd: good, sizeable crowd.. not packed, so i am not sure how encouraging that is for shows like this in the future (please do more!!).. but more people than i expected, less people that what mr greg earle expected. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU to everyone involved. please: someone bring out herbert, freeform, mark van hoen. i'll be your best friend and comp you with some jimmy swaggart rekkids! chris. butterzone kids invade vegas 10/13-15. you should too. email me for info. music for lunchpails riders of the plastic groove kuci 88.9fm, irvine, ca www.kuci.org -.trust me, i'm a doctor and you suffer from a rare form of attractiveness.- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 22:59andrei@world.std.comindecision_of_a_child wrote: > kit clayton:... > i suspect this is what heaven would sound
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quoted 3 lines kit clayton:...> kit clayton:... > i suspect this is what heaven would soundlike if jesus had a laptop (computer, of > course he has a laptop).
LOL / cringing. "Maurizio" would have to play the part of God in this heaven. Sorry, but that's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this list. Don't mean that as a personal attack. I just listened to this new Clayton 12" on Vertical Form and the track on the A side might as well be credited to Monolake. What's the point ? I mean, I'm always impressed when people can emulate someone else's sound so accurately, but so what ? I've only heard a few things by Clayton and they've all sounded very derivative of that whole BC/CR/Monolake axis to me. I'm curious to see if any of his other work differs. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 23:15Ryan HeardHmmm... were you even at the show Andrei? And of Clayton being derivative of BC/CR/Monolak
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Hmmm... were you even at the show Andrei? And of Clayton being derivative of BC/CR/Monolake... well.. that's subjective of course, but they both could be lumped into a set of producers who have and still are pushing musical boundaries forward (if we're to continue this nonsensical generalization shit). His set at the Plug Research/~Scape show was brief and brilliant. Well... had you been there (and if you were... I honestly don't know how you could draw the parallels you did) you would have understood, perhaps, what "indecision_of_a_child" meant. I expect that www.dublab.com should be archiving the show soon (if it's not already up) in realaudio for you to make a slightly-more informed opinion with. Ryan Heard P.S. You oughta hear more than "a few things" before labeling someone "derivative". I dunno... just lends more credibility to your argument don't you think? -----Original Message----- From: andrei@world.std.com [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 3:59 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] press play_socal scape/plug research show last night indecision_of_a_child wrote:
quoted 2 lines kit clayton:...> kit clayton:... > i suspect this is what heaven would soundlike if jesus had a laptop
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quoted 1 line course he has a laptop).> course he has a laptop).
LOL / cringing. "Maurizio" would have to play the part of God in this heaven. Sorry, but that's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this list. Don't mean that as a personal attack. I just listened to this new Clayton 12" on Vertical Form and the track on the A side might as well be credited to Monolake. What's the point ? I mean, I'm always impressed when people can emulate someone else's sound so accurately, but so what ? I've only heard a few things by Clayton and they've all sounded very derivative of that whole BC/CR/Monolake axis to me. I'm curious to see if any of his other work differs. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-15 23:39Jeff Shoemaker>I've only heard a few things by Clayton and they've all sounded very >derivative of >that
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quoted 5 lines I've only heard a few things by Clayton and they've all sounded very>I've only heard a few things by Clayton and they've all sounded very >derivative of >that whole BC/CR/Monolake axis to me. I'm curious to see if any of his other >work >differs.
quoted 3 lines P.S. You oughta hear more than "a few things" before labeling someone>>P.S. You oughta hear more than "a few things" before labeling someone >>"derivative". I dunno... just lends more credibility to your argument don't >>you think?
he didn't say that all of clayton's stuff was derivative, just what he'd heard. he admitted that he'd heard only "a few things". imo he covered his ass nicely against the kind of response you're making. sorry, i occasionally get riled up when discussions go lopsided like this. ------------ 1642 try 621 ------------ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-16 06:55indecision_of_a_childOn Sun, 15 Oct 2000 andrei@world.std.com wrote: > indecision_of_a_child wrote: > > > kit c
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 andrei@world.std.com wrote:
quoted 18 lines indecision_of_a_child wrote:> indecision_of_a_child wrote: > > > kit clayton:... > > i suspect this is what heaven would soundlike if jesus had a laptop (computer, of > > course he has a laptop). > > LOL / cringing. > "Maurizio" would have to play the part of God in this heaven. > > Sorry, but that's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this list. > Don't mean that as a personal attack. > > I just listened to this new Clayton 12" on Vertical Form and the track on the A side > might as well be credited to Monolake. What's the point ? I mean, I'm always > impressed when people can emulate someone else's sound so accurately, but so what ? > I've only heard a few things by Clayton and they've all sounded very derivative of > that whole BC/CR/Monolake axis to me. I'm curious to see if any of his other work > differs.
sorry, "i dont mean this as a personal attack," but re-read the post -- he played VERY abstract stuff that i liked -- and i dropped that sentence somewhat jokingly. we all know jesus could not afford a laptop. those are for suburban spoiled rich kids. here, again, is the whole of what i said about the kit clayton performance: "kit clayton: i finally found some other folks that were into this set as much as i was. i think it was one of the best performances of the night, and one of the best sets i have heard in sometime. while some peoples dismissed it as dsp wankery and improv, it was one of the first monents in a long time that i was completely sucked into music and able to 100% tune out the crowd and distractions around me and just get immersed in the thick of things. not too many beats. lots of layered sound. i suspect this is what heaven would soundlike if jesus had a laptop (computer, of course he has a laptop). i think this is a good moment to make by obligatory comparison to coil. it was very coil (like the layers of sound stuff they do -- new and old). i will one up this comparison and compare something to nurse with wound later on. fun!" basically, the set was much more of a noise ("dsp wankery") set than a techno set. and i loved that. i suspect jesus would too. but for the record, the kit clayton "mimic and the model" 12" is AMAZING (IMO). and one other time i saw mr clayton, his set was more structed, techno oriented, much like the beloved chain reaction type stuff, and i loved it! cheers, chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-16 09:03andrei@world.std.com> Hmmm... were you even at the show Andrei? No. It sounded like a really good show though.
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quoted 1 line Hmmm... were you even at the show Andrei?> Hmmm... were you even at the show Andrei?
No. It sounded like a really good show though. I knew my post would come off sounding mean spirited. Somehow it wasn't meant to.
quoted 2 lines And of Clayton being derivative of BC/CR/Monolake... well.. that's subjective of> And of Clayton being derivative of BC/CR/Monolake... well.. that's subjective of > course,
Subjective ? Maybe you need to (re)visit all the BC/CR/Monolake records and then check out Clayton's stuff again.
quoted 3 lines but they both could be lumped into a set of producers who have and still are> but they both could be lumped into a set of producers who have and still are > pushing musical > boundaries forward (if we're to continue this nonsensical generalization shit).
I guess relatively they are, but in a general sense hardly. Just saw AMM live last night, now _that's_ pushing boundaries !
quoted 3 lines Well... had you been there (and if you were... I honestly don't know how you> Well... had you been there (and if you were... I honestly don't know how you > could draw the parallels you did) you would have understood, perhaps, what > "indecision_of_a_child" meant.
And perhaps if I was on the same substances "indecision_of_a_child" was on. :-)
quoted 3 lines P.S. You oughta hear more than "a few things" before labeling someone> P.S. You oughta hear more than "a few things" before labeling someone > "derivative". I dunno... just lends more credibility to your argument don't you > think?
Well, even if I was only familiar with "EP7" I could tell you Autechre isn't derivative, for example, OK ? Andrei
quoted 30 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: andrei@world.std.com [mailto:andrei@world.std.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 3:59 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] press play_socal scape/plug research show last night > > indecision_of_a_child wrote: > > > kit clayton:... > > i suspect this is what heaven would soundlike if jesus had a laptop (computer, of > > > course he has a laptop). > > LOL / cringing. > "Maurizio" would have to play the part of God in this heaven. > > Sorry, but that's gotta be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this > list. > Don't mean that as a personal attack. > > I just listened to this new Clayton 12" on Vertical Form and the track on > the A side might as well be credited to Monolake. What's the point ? I mean, I'm > always > impressed when people can emulate someone else's sound so accurately, but so > what ? I've only heard a few things by Clayton and they've all sounded very > derivative of that whole BC/CR/Monolake axis to me. I'm curious to see if any of > his other > work differs. > > Andrei
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2000-10-16 19:55indecision_of_a_childOn Mon, 16 Oct 2000 andrei@world.std.com wrote: > And perhaps if I was on the same substan
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 andrei@world.std.com wrote:
quoted 1 line And perhaps if I was on the same substances "indecision_of_a_child" was on.> And perhaps if I was on the same substances "indecision_of_a_child" was on.
for what it is worth in this debate, i was sober ("..dont smoke, dont drink, what do you do?") :) though, i can only imagine mr claytons set would have been AMAZING on some kind of psychedelic (much like coil's time machines is.. ouch!). maybe next time... chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-16 10:06clerc2@pe.netvarious people wrote: lots of stuff about Kit Clayton I've been thinking about his set, an
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various people wrote: lots of stuff about Kit Clayton I've been thinking about his set, and I think that I would have liked it a lot more had it been prefaced by something similarly downtempo to get me in the mood. As it was I was distinctly in head nodding / shuffling feet around almost dancing mode, and in addition I was talking to a couple of cool people at the time (go ahead, kill me - the music was so loud we weren't bothing anyone, I'm sure). To give you an idea of his set, I turned to Sonic D and said "it's like the sounds of pixelated whales". This is usually a good thing, except that a) I like analog whales more and b) dropping said while, either bit-mapped or regular, into the middle of some rather beat oriented stuff was sort of odd. I guess that it makes sense not to have put him on after Pole, since then more people would have left and the bar gotten less money, but it would have made more sense to me to have John Tejada and his wonderful mother on in Mr. Clayton's slot, and him on after Pole so that the night kinda chilled out and people could listen intently. Instead I was just too excited to be watching everyone to sit still and *listen*, which is what his set cried out for. Shutting my eyes a few times did help, of course. Well, just wanted to add my two tangential cents into the matter.... Ryan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-16 19:57indecision_of_a_childOn Mon, 16 Oct 2000 clerc2@pe.net wrote: > but it would have made more sense to > me to ha
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quoted 6 lines but it would have made more sense to> but it would have made more sense to > me to have John Tejada and his wonderful mother on in Mr. Clayton's > slot, and him on after Pole so that the night kinda chilled out and > people could listen intently. Instead I was just too excited to be > watching everyone to sit still and *listen*, which is what his set > cried out for. Shutting my eyes a few times did help, of course.
this is exactly what i did. i sat right between the 2 speakers and just chilled with my eyes closed. its not the kind of music i like to let slip into the background. chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-16 20:13jeremy axonnow that mr clayton has been discussed at length, can someone shed some light upon mr burn
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now that mr clayton has been discussed at length, can someone shed some light upon mr burnt friedman's set-up and sound? chris dropped some vague hints which made it sound like it was good, but can someone give up some details? thanks -- -- jeremy axon www.objectools.com 243 college st. toronto, ontario, canada M5T 1R5 416.955.0856 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-10-17 02:48Lance @ InaudibleAt 12:24 PM 10/13/2000 -0700, you wrote: >kit clayton: i finally found some other folks th
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quoted 12 lines kit clayton: i finally found some other folks that were into this set as>kit clayton: i finally found some other folks that were into this set as >much as i was. i think it was one of the best performances of the night, >and one of the best sets i have heard in sometime. while some peoples >dismissed it as dsp wankery and improv, it was one of the first monents in >a long time that i was completely sucked into music and able to 100% tune >out the crowd and distractions around me and just get immersed in the >thick of things. not too many beats. lots of layered sound. i suspect >this is what heaven would soundlike if jesus had a laptop (computer, of >course he has a laptop). i think this is a good moment to make by >obligatory comparison to coil. it was very coil (like the layers of sound >stuff they do -- new and old). i will one up this comparison and compare >something to nurse with wound later on. fun!
If you like some of Kit Clayton's more experimental stuff then i highly recommend you check out his cd called "A Translation of Simplicity" on the Phthalo label under his 4mod3 guise. It features 5 tracks/30 minutes of heavenly spacey experimental glitch-dub which ranks up there as one of my favorite Clayton releases. Also there was a Kit Clayton live cdr promoed about a fwe years ago called "Live @ CCAC - 3/11/99" which featured the most experimental (almost music-konkrete) set i've ever heard from Clayton. Kit Clayton may be better known for his dubby techno/tech-house/electronica sounds but he's just as good if not a better experimental music producer. His more experimental releases really need to be heard by more people... -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org